Is it time to give Hendry a little bit of credit?

[8-8-88]

Somehow he has been able to create at least a little bit of a demand for Patterson, or so it seems.

[Brian]

unless he at least gets a decent prospect... NO!

[CarolinaCubFan]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. I hate to give up on him, but I like the guy too much to make him stay in Chicago.

 

Just a few years ago, we had a bright future with our young kids like Cpatt, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano. What are they now?

 

Cpatt has busted under BAKER. On his way out.

 

Prior went from the next great thing, to our #2 starter. His name being floated in trade rumors crushes the Cub fan in me. There is either trouble with Prior's health, or Hendry is desperate. Either way, I'm not confident Prior will stay with the Cubs.

 

Zambrano has been the workhorse. My favorite player on the team. He's gonna give us great numbers, but when it's time for him to get paid, see ya!

 

Wood. :(

 

Sisco. #-o

 

I could go on and on. I personally can't find it in me to give Hendry credit for anything anymore. I'm ready for Hendry and Baker to catch that 9 o'clock train out of town CuseCubFan was talking about in a baseball discussions thread.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Jim Hendry: three good trades. Does not counterbalance numerous failed free agent signings, mismanagement of his young prospects, total waste of a generous $100MM payroll, and sticking with an incompetent as manager. Overall tenure grade: C- and falling.

[NorthsideAvenger]

The problem with sayign Baker/Hendry are bad for the Cubs, is that the Cubs would seemingly find WORSE people for the manager/GM spots. Does anybody else NOT BELIEVE that the next GM/Manager tandem--should Baker/Hendry are let go--of your beloved Cubs would be MacPhail/Piniella? Or Wade/Mazzelli, or Malone/Hoffman. Or Lynch/Hargrove. You know the saying...the devil you know...

[rork73]

Baker hasn't changed ever since he joined the Cubs...he's always been this lousy at managing a group of people. I've been saying it for almost 2 years now on this board - Baker should make his own decissions and NOT listen so much to what players want. The team should always be more important than the individual.

 

He's let guys like Sosa and Patterson complain publically about the team and their position on many occasions without any consequentes. When Baker finally stepped in, it was already way too late.

And I'm fed up with this stupid Toothpick act.

 

Anyway, this team needs a GOOD manager that can make decissions, who's not afraid of failure and who respects his team BUT always remains in the drivers seat.

[rork73]

Forgot about Hendry: I just don't believe that this guy makes all these stupid ideas up on his own - don't the guys around him have any ideas/brains of their own ?

 

To answer the original question: No ;)

[CUBZ99]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

 

Can you provide a link or something? I believe Baylor mentioned something about Patterson not being able to reach his potential, but I have never once even remotely heard anyone say anything bad about Patterson's attitude or work ethic. Corey was praised for coming back from his knee injury so fast. Stone, Caray, Kasper, Brenly, Baker and Hendry have all said that Corey works hard to get the extra time with coaches, but it doesn't translate on the field.

 

The only people who have said he has an attitude problem are people who say he looks emotionless when striking out.

[Bgbird68]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

 

Can you provide a link or something? I believe Baylor mentioned something about Patterson not being able to reach his potential, but I have never once even remotely heard anyone say anything bad about Patterson's attitude or work ethic. Corey was praised for coming back from his knee injury so fast. Stone, Caray, Kasper, Brenly, Baker and Hendry have all said that Corey works hard to get the extra time with coaches, but it doesn't translate on the field.

 

The only people who have said he has an attitude problem are people who say he looks emotionless when striking out.

 

This was what I could find on this. No real info on a attitude problem.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62715-2004Feb22.html

 

"The Chicago Cubs center fielder was knocked as too impatient during his rookie season two years ago. He didn't listen. He didn't know the strike zone. Even former manager Don Baylor criticized him, saying last spring he might wind up as another Oddibe McDowell - a speedster who never quite lived up to lofty expectations."

 

The sad thing is they have comparable numbers.

Edited January 8, 2006 by Bgbird68

[Bote McBoteface]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

 

Can you provide a link or something? I believe Baylor mentioned something about Patterson not being able to reach his potential, but I have never once even remotely heard anyone say anything bad about Patterson's attitude or work ethic. Corey was praised for coming back from his knee injury so fast. Stone, Caray, Kasper, Brenly, Baker and Hendry have all said that Corey works hard to get the extra time with coaches, but it doesn't translate on the field.

 

The only people who have said he has an attitude problem are people who say he looks emotionless when striking out.

 

I believe Baylor compared him to another Cub prospect who had all the promise in the world but fell flat on his face. I forget which one though, because there are so many of them.

 

Also, saying that Baker showed up and thats why Corey struggled is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen on here. Corey's breakout season... the one that made us think he was ACTUALLY going to live up to all his potential.. was 2003. Want to take a guess at who managed that team? Maybe it was Corey's insanely impressive .221/.266 and .253/.284 seasons under Baylor that made you say that. Not liking Baker is fine. Using some of the many, many things that he has screwed up in Chicago against him is fine. Making up crap like that is ridiculous.

[CUBZ99]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

 

Can you provide a link or something? I believe Baylor mentioned something about Patterson not being able to reach his potential, but I have never once even remotely heard anyone say anything bad about Patterson's attitude or work ethic. Corey was praised for coming back from his knee injury so fast. Stone, Caray, Kasper, Brenly, Baker and Hendry have all said that Corey works hard to get the extra time with coaches, but it doesn't translate on the field.

 

The only people who have said he has an attitude problem are people who say he looks emotionless when striking out.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62715-2004Feb22.html

 

"The Chicago Cubs center fielder was knocked as too impatient during his rookie season two years ago. He didn't listen. He didn't know the strike zone. Even former manager Don Baylor criticized him, saying last spring he might wind up as another Oddibe McDowell - a speedster who never quite lived up to lofty expectations."

 

The sad thing is they have comparable numbers.

 

Thank you for taking the time to find the quote. It was particularly telling to hear those comments (and more) from Don Baylor, who was more than willing to give Corey every chance possible to be successful.

 

I'm not saying that Baker is a good manager, but he had little to do with Corey's failures.

[CuseCubFan69]

From everything I have ever read about Patterson I do not recall anyone from the Cub organization saying anything bad about CPatts attitude. I also remember Hendry saying something about Corey being a really nice kid. IMO, some times nice kids tend to listen to too many people and that may be why Corey hasn't found his own identity and approach to hitting.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. .

 

Not true, Don Baylor went on record and had some pretty revealing comments about CPatt's attitude problem and the probability that CPatt would never reach his potential. So to put the blame squarely on Baker is wrong.

 

Can you provide a link or something? I believe Baylor mentioned something about Patterson not being able to reach his potential, but I have never once even remotely heard anyone say anything bad about Patterson's attitude or work ethic. Corey was praised for coming back from his knee injury so fast. Stone, Caray, Kasper, Brenly, Baker and Hendry have all said that Corey works hard to get the extra time with coaches, but it doesn't translate on the field.

 

The only people who have said he has an attitude problem are people who say he looks emotionless when striking out.

 

I believe Baylor compared him to another Cub prospect who had all the promise in the world but fell flat on his face. I forget which one though, because there are so many of them.

 

Also, saying that Baker showed up and thats why Corey struggled is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen on here. Corey's breakout season... the one that made us think he was ACTUALLY going to live up to all his potential.. was 2003. Want to take a guess at who managed that team? Maybe it was Corey's insanely impressive .221/.266 and .253/.284 seasons under Baylor that made you say that. Not liking Baker is fine. Using some of the many, many things that he has screwed up in Chicago against him is fine. Making up crap like that is ridiculous.

 

Agreed. Bobby Cox could've been managing Corey and he would still have not been a good player with his approach at the plate.

[USSoccer]

The day Hendry realizes he used to be a farm director and gets rid of the manager responsible for torpedoing his roster due to an unwillingness to play young players, I'll give him a little credit.

 

The day he stops overvaluing terrible, old, veteran players and signing them to wildly inflated contracts, I'll give him credit.

 

Til then, no credit is due. A couple of real good trades 2 and 3 seasons ago doesn't make up for a total failure the last 2 offseasons.

[E.J.]

If we're giving him credit for wasting a $100 million payroll, then yes I'll give him credit.

 

If we're giving him credit for killing our farm system while not making the parent club any better, then yes I'll give him credit.

 

No way I'm giving him credit for making the Cubs a better team because they aren't even close.

 

Hendry needs to go before he completely destroys this team.

[Mizzou]

Give Hendry credit? On this board? Come on, get real.

[Roast]

I'll give him credit for this:

 

-Aramis Ramirez trade

-Nomar Trade

-Dumping Hundley

 

I wont give him credit for this:

- The three french outfielders

- Jose Macias ever being on the team

- Augie Ojeda getting a Minor league contract

- Farnsworth for...who?

- 70 year contract to maddux

- Letting wood stay on the field when they KNEW he needed surgery

- Not making this team better as a whole.

[RockTheIvy]

The past two off seasons Hendry has sucked.

[UK1679666180]

If he can trade Patterson w/out giving up any cash and get a lower level prospect for him, it would be better than non-tendering him.

 

Of course, the demand will likely be slim. 4 teams being interested in Patterson is different than 4 teams bidding against each other to get him.

[Tim]

If he can trade Patterson w/out giving up any cash and get a lower level prospect for him, it would be better than non-tendering him.

 

Of course, the demand will likely be slim. 4 teams being interested in Patterson is different than 4 teams bidding against each other to get him.

Let me ask the question this way:

 

What 4th or 5th OF's are out there that would be better than Corey at this point? Why be so dead set on trading him? Because the fans are going to boo him? Who cares? Why let that determine the direction of the team?

[UK1679666180]

For 3mil, I think he's too expensive to rot on the bench behind Mabry, 2nd behind Mabry on the corner OF spots, and be the 2nd LH'ed option off the bench.

 

I'd rather see someone like Hidalgo (not that Marrero is not an option) be given a chance to play the corner OF spots, provide power from the R side, and have Hairston play an emergency or spot start in CF.

 

It's not wise to spend 3mil on a 5th OF'er.

[USSoccer]

For 3mil, I think he's too expensive to rot on the bench behind Mabry, 2nd behind Mabry on the corner OF spots, and be the 2nd LH'ed option off the bench.

 

I'd rather see someone like Hidalgo (not that Marrero is not an option) be given a chance to play the corner OF spots, provide power from the R side, and have Hairston play an emergency or spot start in CF.

 

It's not wise to spend 3mil on a 5th OF'er.

 

More or less wise than spending $3m on a swingman for the rotation? Or spending $3m on a utility IF?

[UK1679666180]

For 3mil, I think he's too expensive to rot on the bench behind Mabry, 2nd behind Mabry on the corner OF spots, and be the 2nd LH'ed option off the bench.

 

I'd rather see someone like Hidalgo (not that Marrero is not an option) be given a chance to play the corner OF spots, provide power from the R side, and have Hairston play an emergency or spot start in CF.

 

It's not wise to spend 3mil on a 5th OF'er.

 

More or less wise than spending $3m on a swingman for the rotation? Or spending $3m on a utility IF?

 

About the same, they're all examples of spending poorly.

[USSoccer]

For 3mil, I think he's too expensive to rot on the bench behind Mabry, 2nd behind Mabry on the corner OF spots, and be the 2nd LH'ed option off the bench.

 

I'd rather see someone like Hidalgo (not that Marrero is not an option) be given a chance to play the corner OF spots, provide power from the R side, and have Hairston play an emergency or spot start in CF.

 

It's not wise to spend 3mil on a 5th OF'er.

 

More or less wise than spending $3m on a swingman for the rotation? Or spending $3m on a utility IF?

 

About the same, they're all examples of spending poorly.

 

At least with Corey you have the chance of building up his trade value, or the chance we see improvement for your money. Why sell low?