Is it time to give Hendry a little bit of credit?

[UK1679666180]

Corey's struggles and the reasoning behind them are not conducive to that of sitting for long stretches on the bench or occasional ABs vs. a RH'er late in a ballgame.

 

As a 5th OF'er and given Corey's current state, it'll be nearly impossible for him to build up his trade value beyond its current low point and certainly not worth trying to build it up when there are 3 million reasons why not to.

[Bote McBoteface]

If he can trade Patterson w/out giving up any cash and get a lower level prospect for him, it would be better than non-tendering him.

 

Of course, the demand will likely be slim. 4 teams being interested in Patterson is different than 4 teams bidding against each other to get him.

Let me ask the question this way:

 

What 4th or 5th OF's are out there that would be better than Corey at this point? Why be so dead set on trading him? Because the fans are going to boo him? Who cares? Why let that determine the direction of the team?

 

Occasionally, you have to do whats best for the player's career. This is one of those times. Corey has to be traded.

[USSoccer]

Corey's struggles and the reasoning behind them are not conducive to that of sitting for long stretches on the bench or occasional ABs vs. a RH'er late in a ballgame.

 

As a 5th OF'er and given Corey's current state, it'll be nearly impossible for him to build up his trade value beyond its current low point and certainly not worth trying to build it up when there are 3 million reasons why not to.

 

You're probably right, and I've always thought that Hendry would sell Corey for cents on the dollar this winter. It's just tough knowing that the guy has a lot of potential, is fairly young, and if he goes to the right situation, he's going to be productive.

[UK1679666180]

Corey's struggles and the reasoning behind them are not conducive to that of sitting for long stretches on the bench or occasional ABs vs. a RH'er late in a ballgame.

 

As a 5th OF'er and given Corey's current state, it'll be nearly impossible for him to build up his trade value beyond its current low point and certainly not worth trying to build it up when there are 3 million reasons why not to.

 

You're probably right, and I've always thought that Hendry would sell Corey for cents on the dollar this winter. It's just tough knowing that the guy has a lot of potential, is fairly young, and if he goes to the right situation, he's going to be productive.

 

There's always a possibility of that occuring & if that occurs, the Cubs will have to look in the mirror and wonder went wrong.

 

They'll have to decide if there was something different they could've done as far as relaying the message to where he could grasp it better or what they could've done better in any aspect that could brought Corey having his production match his talents.

 

Of course for Corey to take that next step, he'll have to look in the mirror and do likewise.

[T2E]

I'll give him credit for this:

 

-Aramis Ramirez trade

-Nomar Trade

-Dumping Hundley

 

What about Choi for Lee?

Signing Walker? (Although his current actions aren't good)

Damian Miller for Michael Barrett?

 

I wont give him credit for this:

- The three french outfielders

 

Certainly not his best moves, but I don't think these are the worst moves ever. Pierre and Jones have shown ability in the past; again, they aren't great, but not the end of the world either.

 

- Jose Macias ever being on the team

 

I'd say this is Baker's fault. Macias is a decent 25th man on a team, but Baker didn't use him properly.

 

- Augie Ojeda getting a Minor league contract

 

Why is Augie playing backup shortstop for Iowa such a problem?

 

- Farnsworth for...who?

 

Robert Novoa, Scott Moore and Bo Flowers. Not a bad coup at all.

 

- 70 year contract to maddux

 

I'll give you this one, although very few people said that when he was originially signed.

 

- Letting wood stay on the field when they KNEW he needed surgery

 

I'll give you this one too.

 

Hendry's biggest fault so far has not been getting Baker off the team. He's made some other not so great moves (Remmy, Bellhorn for Hernendez, etc...) but I don't think he's a bad GM. I'd put him in the middle of the pack as far as GM's go.

[Connor McConnor]

World Series Appearances = ZERO

 

Until that changes.....He won't be getting any credit from me. We've regresses since 2003.....he picks the players and the manager....he is supposed to know about these things....and it hasnt worked out.

 

He ceraintly is not the first to fail at making the Cubs a winner......but he has not proven to be anything special either......just another in a long line of pain and mediocrity.

[pete the dog]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. I hate to give up on him, but I like the guy too much to make him stay in Chicago.

 

Just a few years ago, we had a bright future with our young kids like Cpatt, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano. What are they now?

 

Cpatt has busted under BAKER. On his way out.

 

Prior went from the next great thing, to our #2 starter. His name being floated in trade rumors crushes the Cub fan in me. There is either trouble with Prior's health, or Hendry is desperate. Either way, I'm not confident Prior will stay with the Cubs.

 

Zambrano has been the workhorse. My favorite player on the team. He's gonna give us great numbers, but when it's time for him to get paid, see ya!

 

 

 

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years. The only reason Prior is now the #2 guy is because Zambrano has been incredible. So, does Dusty get the credit for making Zambrano so awesome? By the way, Prior's 3.2 ERA and 10K/nine innings is not too bad, ya know?

[RynoRules]

I'll give him credit for this:

 

-Aramis Ramirez trade

-Nomar Trade

-Dumping Hundley

 

What about Choi for Lee?

Signing Walker? (Although his current actions aren't good)

Damian Miller for Michael Barrett?

 

I wont give him credit for this:

- The three french outfielders

 

Certainly not his best moves, but I don't think these are the worst moves ever. Pierre and Jones have shown ability in the past; again, they aren't great, but not the end of the world either.

 

- Jose Macias ever being on the team

 

I'd say this is Baker's fault. Macias is a decent 25th man on a team, but Baker didn't use him properly.

 

- Augie Ojeda getting a Minor league contract

 

Why is Augie playing backup shortstop for Iowa such a problem?

 

- Farnsworth for...who?

 

Robert Novoa, Scott Moore and Bo Flowers. Not a bad coup at all.

 

- 70 year contract to maddux

 

I'll give you this one, although very few people said that when he was originially signed.

 

- Letting wood stay on the field when they KNEW he needed surgery

 

I'll give you this one too.

 

Hendry's biggest fault so far has not been getting Baker off the team. He's made some other not so great moves (Remmy, Bellhorn for Hernendez, etc...) but I don't think he's a bad GM. I'd put him in the middle of the pack as far as GM's go.

 

Agree, though I admit that I am more frustrated with him this offseason than ever before.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'll give Hendry credit when he gets us back into the playoffs..that is IF he does. Until then he deserves every bit of criticism he has gotten.

[USSoccer]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. I hate to give up on him, but I like the guy too much to make him stay in Chicago.

 

Just a few years ago, we had a bright future with our young kids like Cpatt, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano. What are they now?

 

Cpatt has busted under BAKER. On his way out.

 

Prior went from the next great thing, to our #2 starter. His name being floated in trade rumors crushes the Cub fan in me. There is either trouble with Prior's health, or Hendry is desperate. Either way, I'm not confident Prior will stay with the Cubs.

 

Zambrano has been the workhorse. My favorite player on the team. He's gonna give us great numbers, but when it's time for him to get paid, see ya!

 

 

 

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years. The only reason Prior is now the #2 guy is because Zambrano has been incredible. So, does Dusty get the credit for making Zambrano so awesome? By the way, Prior's 3.2 ERA and 10K/nine innings is not too bad, ya know?

 

And if Baker hadn't run Prior and Wood into the ground during 2003, those 3 would be potentially set for 15-20 wins/year. Just because Baker happens to be here when Prior and Z are here doesn't mean he deserves credit for it. If anything, that should be an extra strike against Hendry/Baker. You have 2 young, cheap, dominant starters, and you still underachieve.

[Chris]

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years.

 

That has to be a record.

[abuck1220]

i can't see how anyone in the organization deserves much credit for a 100 mil payroll team that finishes under .500 and in 4th place. tough to give out many kudos in that situation.

[UK1679666180]

When the production matches the payroll, I'll give Hendry credit. When the production matches the talent, I'll give Baker credit.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Honestly, I think this is the last offseason we'll need to ask this question, because I feel Hendry and Baker are both going to be axed by October at the latest. Theo Epstein, anyone?

 

By the way, following the Cubs has always been kind of like Kremlin watching during the Cold War, or Vatican watching when voting for a new pope--you try to read the tea leaves and watch for wisps of smoke escaping from the Tribune Tower. I mention this because I've seen three stories now this offseason, the latest in today's paper, hinting that Ryno has a future as a manager. I know he has no experience, I know he is less animated than spruce tree, but the Cubs could be greasing the skids for a Ryne Sandberg 2007 Cubs Manager plan. And at this point, I'd give that a shot, why not?

[UK1679666180]

If the Cubs are looking for a new GM at the end of the year, I'd go after Dayton Moore 1st. Of course, like most involved with the Braves, they tend to stay there. I do think the Cubs are a better fit for him than Boston would've been, it'd be worth finding out.

 

Then, let him pick the manager and if I had to guess, he'd choose Fredi Gonzales.

[pete the dog]

I wouldn't be suprised if Cpatt goes somewhere else and blossoms under a good manager. Cpatt gave us reason to believe, it was upon Baker's arrival that his struggles started. I hate to give up on him, but I like the guy too much to make him stay in Chicago.

 

Just a few years ago, we had a bright future with our young kids like Cpatt, Wood, Prior, and Zambrano. What are they now?

 

Cpatt has busted under BAKER. On his way out.

 

Prior went from the next great thing, to our #2 starter. His name being floated in trade rumors crushes the Cub fan in me. There is either trouble with Prior's health, or Hendry is desperate. Either way, I'm not confident Prior will stay with the Cubs.

 

Zambrano has been the workhorse. My favorite player on the team. He's gonna give us great numbers, but when it's time for him to get paid, see ya!

 

 

 

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years. The only reason Prior is now the #2 guy is because Zambrano has been incredible. So, does Dusty get the credit for making Zambrano so awesome? By the way, Prior's 3.2 ERA and 10K/nine innings is not too bad, ya know?

 

And if Baker hadn't run Prior and Wood into the ground during 2003, those 3 would be potentially set for 15-20 wins/year. Just because Baker happens to be here when Prior and Z are here doesn't mean he deserves credit for it. If anything, that should be an extra strike against Hendry/Baker. You have 2 young, cheap, dominant starters, and you still underachieve.

 

 

It seems we partially agree. My point was that Baker deserves neither extravagant praise nor blame for any particular player's performance. If you're going to blame him for CPatt and Prior, then you have to credit him for Z. I do none of the above.

 

Whatever "woes" prior has had have been due to freak injuries. As for Wood, the decision to pitch him in relief last year was obviously idiotic, and everyone deserves blame for that. Maybe his year in-year out arm problems are due to overwork, maybe they're not. Heck, all the time he spent on the DL in 2004 didn't make him injury-proof in 2005 did it? Wood is just plain fragile.

 

People assign way too much credit and blame to managers. I think the general manager almost always deserves more credit and blame.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As long as MacPhail is running the show, an Epstein or a Depodesta is a very unlikely proposition.

[sethuel1]

Honestly, I think this is the last offseason we'll need to ask this question, because I feel Hendry and Baker are both going to be axed by October at the latest. Theo Epstein, anyone?

 

By the way, following the Cubs has always been kind of like Kremlin watching during the Cold War, or Vatican watching when voting for a new pope--you try to read the tea leaves and watch for wisps of smoke escaping from the Tribune Tower. I mention this because I've seen three stories now this offseason, the latest in today's paper, hinting that Ryno has a future as a manager. I know he has no experience, I know he is less animated than spruce tree, but the Cubs could be greasing the skids for a Ryne Sandberg 2007 Cubs Manager plan. And at this point, I'd give that a shot, why not?

 

I read Ryno's Yahoo column on a regular basis, and i have to say that it is generally the most unintelligent bunch of dreck I have read in a long, long time. For that reason alone, I would avoid him as manager.

[indifferent]

When the production matches the payroll, I'll give Hendry credit. When the production matches the talent, I'll give Baker credit.

 

Succinctly put and valid.

[stitchface]

As long as MacPhail is running the show, an Epstein or a Depodesta is a very unlikely proposition.

 

I have a sad feeling both would be run out of town by the chicago media anyway, just like in LA. Theo might have a chance since he has a championship at least.

[Roast]

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years.

 

That has to be a record.

 

Adam dunn doesnt strike out at all by comparison!

[JeffH]

Why would anyone want the truly awful Paul DePodesta?

 

If we're going to fire Hendry, let's rescue the extremely underappreciated Gerry Hunsicker from his exile in Tampa Bay.

[stitchface]

Yeah, it's Dusty's fault that CPatt had 80,000 ks the last 2 years.

 

That has to be a record.

 

Adam dunn doesnt strike out at all by comparison!

 

 

so, assuming a k every fourth plate appearance means roughly 160,000 plate appearances per year, so hitting .212, thats about 35,000 hits per year - definitely a record.

[stitchface]

Why would anyone want the truly awful Paul DePodesta?

 

If we're going to fire Hendry, let's rescue the extremely underappreciated Gerry Hunsicker from his exile in Tampa Bay.

 

What's wrong with DePodesta? Failed to win a world series in one full year?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Why would anyone want the truly awful Paul DePodesta?

 

If we're going to fire Hendry, let's rescue the extremely underappreciated Gerry Hunsicker from his exile in Tampa Bay.

 

What's wrong with DePodesta? Failed to win a world series in one full year?

 

I'm not saying he should have been fired but did DePo really impress you as a GM?