Koskie to the Brewers

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In ST 2004, I encounterd both Fielder and Weeks. Of the two, Fielder was the more accomodating. Take it for what it's worth.

[NewUserName]

i am at lunch and didnt read all of the posts so if this is said I am sorry. I am not sure the Brewers will be better than the Cubs next season. I am pretty sure is they are prepared to be better in the future. They ARE developing young players, some of which may work some wont, while placing solid veterans to fill in the gaps. The one thing that really sticks out with the Brewers is they seem to have a plan. I am guessing they hope to be in the WC chase this year and maybe really step up next season as the other division foes hopefully come down. Personnally I think I would almost rather be a brewers fan right now than a cubs because I dont really see any solid direction in what the cubs are doing, the cubs seem like they are just throwing things against the wall and hoping something good sticks.

[ltb]

What's Koskie's contract look like?

 

Per ESPN.

 

2005 Salary: $3,500,000

 

Toronto is picking up some of the salary. I think right around half of it.

 

He's slated to make 6.25 this year and 6.75 next year with a 6.5 team option(with 500k buyout) for '08.

 

The Brewers will pay only $4.25 million of the $11.6 million that Corey Koskie is owed over the next two years, according to the Toronto Sun.

 

so milwaukee is only paying $2.125m per year for the next two for him. wow.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Let's not forget, the Brewers were a better team than the Cubs were in 2005.

[RynoRules]

 

So can you honestly say if we have a healthy year of Wood, Prior, Aramis, they are a better team?

 

let me know when that happens.

 

Cory Koskie is the difference maker, eh?

 

:pukel:

 

are you quoting the wrong post? where did i say that? the brewers were better than the cubs before they signed koskie...and they still are.

 

Well, its the move that lead to this convo.

 

For the record, your are saying that a team with a washed up 3B (Koskie), three rookies / rookie-like players in the rest of the IF, Lee (who has been savaged on this bd as overrated, and rightfully so), Clark (who played way over his station last season), and Jenkins (who is injured as much as he isn't) is definitively better than the Cubs?

[DCNashville]

In ST 2004, I encounterd both Fielder and Weeks. Of the two, Fielder was the more accomodating. Take it for what it's worth.

 

Were you trying for autographs?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In ST 2004, I encounterd both Fielder and Weeks. Of the two, Fielder was the more accomodating. Take it for what it's worth.

 

Were you trying for autographs?

 

Yes.

[CuseCubFan69]

Prince has made great strides as far as losing his baby fat and turning it into muscle, he's more lean than when he was drafted or at Beloit, when I seen him. He's never going to be athletic or great defensively, but his weight won't impact his bat until probably his mid 30s unless, he regains the fat.

 

As far as his personality, he's a rectum.

 

One of my former players is going to Fielders personal hitting instructor who is no other than......David Eksteins brother! He said he is wonderful and has given him some excellent tips.

[abuck1220]

 

So can you honestly say if we have a healthy year of Wood, Prior, Aramis, they are a better team?

 

let me know when that happens.

 

Cory Koskie is the difference maker, eh?

 

:pukel:

 

are you quoting the wrong post? where did i say that? the brewers were better than the cubs before they signed koskie...and they still are.

 

Well, its the move that lead to this convo.

 

For the record, your are saying that a team with a washed up 3B (Koskie), three rookies / rookie-like players in the rest of the IF, Lee (who has been savaged on this bd as overrated, and rightfully so), Clark (who played way over his station last season), and Jenkins (who is injured as much as he isn't) is definitively better than the Cubs?

 

yes. they were better than the cubs last year weren't they? as i've said before they'll have a full season of a more experienced weeks and turnbow as the closer. like koskie or not, he's better than jeff cirillo, who they throw out there last year. plus, they'll have a healthy sheets.

 

and what upgrades have the cubs made? pierre > patterson and some bullpen changes. whoop de doo. they'll also get worse production out of lf, 2b, 1b and possibly ss. maddux will likely be worse, and rusch will struggle if he's asked to start the entire year.

 

the brewers, right now, w/o taking into account possible injuries, are better than the cubs.

[Illini Iceman]

 

So can you honestly say if we have a healthy year of Wood, Prior, Aramis, they are a better team?

 

let me know when that happens.

 

Cory Koskie is the difference maker, eh?

 

:pukel:

 

are you quoting the wrong post? where did i say that? the brewers were better than the cubs before they signed koskie...and they still are.

 

Well, its the move that lead to this convo.

 

For the record, your are saying that a team with a washed up 3B (Koskie), three rookies / rookie-like players in the rest of the IF, Lee (who has been savaged on this bd as overrated, and rightfully so), Clark (who played way over his station last season), and Jenkins (who is injured as much as he isn't) is definitively better than the Cubs?

 

yes. they were better than the cubs last year weren't they? as i've said before they'll have a full season of a more experienced weeks and turnbow as the closer. like koskie or not, he's better than jeff cirillo, who they throw out there last year. plus, they'll have a healthy sheets.

 

and what upgrades have the cubs made? pierre > patterson and some bullpen changes. whoop de doo. they'll also get worse production out of lf, 2b, 1b and possibly ss. maddux will likely be worse, and rusch will struggle if he's asked to start the entire year.

 

the brewers, right now, w/o taking into account possible injuries, are better than the cubs.

 

How do you figure the Cubs get worse production out of LF? And if you are assuming worse production out of 1B then why not assume better production out of 3B with a healthy Ramirez?

If you assume a healthy Sheets then also assume a healthy Prior for the Cubs.

No way would I trade the Cubs 25 man roster for the Brewers 25 man roster straight up, which IMO means that the Cubs go into the season as the better team.

[BigbadB]

What's Koskie's contract look like?

 

Per ESPN.

 

2005 Salary: $3,500,000

 

Toronto is picking up some of the salary. I think right around half of it.

 

He's slated to make 6.25 this year and 6.75 next year with a 6.5 team option(with 500k buyout) for '08.

 

The Brewers will pay only $4.25 million of the $11.6 million that Corey Koskie is owed over the next two years, according to the Toronto Sun.

 

so milwaukee is only paying $2.125m per year for the next two for him. wow.

 

Wow! That's an excellent deal for Milwaukee. What kind of prospect did they give up? Had to be a decent one for Toronto to eat all that cash.

[abuck1220]

 

How do you figure the Cubs get worse production out of LF? And if you are assuming worse production out of 1B then why not assume better production out of 3B with a healthy Ramirez?

If you assume a healthy Sheets then also assume a healthy Prior for the Cubs.

No way would I trade the Cubs 25 man roster for the Brewers 25 man roster straight up, which IMO means that the Cubs go into the season as the better team.

 

what i should have said was worse production out of murton. i guess you could assume a healthy ramirez, but i'm wary to do so. and if you want to assume a healthy prior, go for it. brewers are still better.

 

the cubs have the potential to be quite bad offensively in rf, lf, 2b and ss.

[Tim]

 

How do you figure the Cubs get worse production out of LF? And if you are assuming worse production out of 1B then why not assume better production out of 3B with a healthy Ramirez?

If you assume a healthy Sheets then also assume a healthy Prior for the Cubs.

No way would I trade the Cubs 25 man roster for the Brewers 25 man roster straight up, which IMO means that the Cubs go into the season as the better team.

 

what i should have said was worse production out of murton. i guess you could assume a healthy ramirez, but i'm wary to do so. and if you want to assume a healthy prior, go for it. brewers are still better.

 

the cubs have the potential to be quite bad offensively in rf, lf, 2b and ss.

To be fair, Jenkins has to be considered an even bigger injury risk than Aramis. And their backup plan isn't much out there. Koskie was pretty awful in 2005 and could decline further. Hall is a nice backup there, but really shouldn't be a starting 3B in the majors. While I'm a big believer in Weeks and Fielder (especially Weeks ;) ), either could flop in 2006. Miller could be dreadful behind the plate. Hardy is no certainty to be even decent at SS. Brady Clark shouldn't be awful, but was very "lucky" in 2005. About the only certain provider on their offense is Lee.

 

How sad is our offense that I'm pretty sure that they'll be better than us on offense in 2006?

[UK1679666180]

How sad is our offense that I'm pretty sure that they'll be better than us on offense in 2006?

 

Nothing wrong with being realistic towards expected production.

 

Depending on if it's a scenario of Walker over Perez, I expect them to score more runs. If Perez is starting and hitting at the top, any difference between Pierre and the poor play of CF last year will be negated by the drop in offense between Perez and Walker. Then, you're counting on Murton, Cedeno, no regression from Lee and Barrett, health of Ramirez, and rebounds from Pierre and Jones.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

 

How do you figure the Cubs get worse production out of LF? And if you are assuming worse production out of 1B then why not assume better production out of 3B with a healthy Ramirez?

If you assume a healthy Sheets then also assume a healthy Prior for the Cubs.

No way would I trade the Cubs 25 man roster for the Brewers 25 man roster straight up, which IMO means that the Cubs go into the season as the better team.

 

what i should have said was worse production out of murton. i guess you could assume a healthy ramirez, but i'm wary to do so. and if you want to assume a healthy prior, go for it. brewers are still better.

 

the cubs have the potential to be quite bad offensively in rf, lf, 2b and ss.

 

And the Brewers have a potential problem at 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, C, CF, RF

the only given is Carlos who always puts up nice numbers.

 

The Cubs will be better!

[abuck1220]

And the Brewers have a potential problem at 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, C, CF, RF

the only given is Carlos who always puts up nice numbers.

 

 

then i guess we just view the brewers' players differently.

[Omar]

He was on my fantasy team in 2005. I thought I'd let everyone know that.