Marlins Firesale?

[NorthsideAvenger]

Beckett, on the other hand, is a difference maker waiting to not have blisters.

 

So Beckett is the next Ismael Valdez?

 

No thank you. Beckett is a talent, but is too _____ for my liking. Besides we already have Kerry Wood, why would need his clone?

[Brian]

Beckett, on the other hand, is a difference maker waiting to not have blisters.

 

All he needs to do is man up, and pee on his hands.

[frostwyrm]

I'm all about getting another ace in the rotation, as I expect Kerry to break down by mid-season at the latest and Prior makes me nervous. If Beckett is available I'd sell a good chunk of the farm for him.

[RynoRules]

I wouldn't have a problem with Furcal-Pierre-Castillo all on the team. It would be a departure from what we have, but if we add the right player in RF, we could have enough power.

 

I'd probably use this as my line-up:

 

SS Furcal

2b Castillo

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

RF ?

LF Murton

CF Pierre

C Barrett

P

 

I think power is overrated. That lineup would score runs. Runs win baseball games.

 

I agree with that. I always look back to the "go-go" Cards of the mid-80s. The only guy who hit more than 15 Dongs on that team was the universally beloved Jack Clark. They had Oz, Coleman, McGee, Herr, etc. High-OBP team. Here is the 85' team:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/1985.shtml[/url]

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Beckett, on the other hand, is a difference maker waiting to not have blisters.

 

All he needs to do is man up, and pee on his hands.

 

:lol:

[rawaction]

Bah. Forget Pierre & Castillo. The best player being mentioned in all this is Josh Beckett. I'd offer Pie & Hill for Beckett.

 

If I have to take on additional salary in return, I'll accept Castillo and add some token for him.

 

If you tossed in Walker and got Castillo, we'd have the lead-off hitter with or without Pierre or Furcal.

 

How about Pie, Hill and Walker for Beckett and Castillo?

 

Would the Marlins do that knowing they still need to move Lowell to?

I guess I just don't understand the obsession with leadoff hitters. Especially getting multiple leadoff hitters.

 

I think our team would be better with Castillo over Walker. I like Walker, but if I could upgrade to Castillo I would.

Well, neither is much of a base stealer. Castillo gets on a bit more, but Walker provides a lot more power. I guess the argument could be made that Castillo's defensive difference is bigger than Walker's offensive advantage and I could buy that. But I wouldn't give up a lot to make that upgrade.

 

Beckett, on the other hand, is a difference maker waiting to not have blisters.

 

I've been calling for a Josh Beckett 220 IP, Cy Young type season for 2 years now. I called the Jon Garland breakout for 3 years until he broke out. Maybe this is the year for Beckett. He's too good not to do it at some point. Might as well be with the Cubs, while he's still relatively cheap.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

[rawaction]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

If they are having a firesale, that means they are trying to trim payroll and Beckett makes too much for their liking. They might want one of those players from the Cubs, but the Cubs aren't giving any of them up, and the Marlins can't afford to take any of them on.

 

Going from Beckett and Lowell to Blalock saves them a lot of money.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

If they are having a firesale, that means they are trying to trim payroll and Beckett makes too much for their liking. They might want one of those players from the Cubs, but the Cubs aren't giving any of them up, and the Marlins can't afford to take any of them on.

 

Going from Beckett and Lowell to Blalock saves them a lot of money.

 

I understand that they're having a firesale. I was commenting on our possible trades with them. We don't have the cheap major leaguer they would want. Our prospects really aren't that great either.

 

We don't have any blue chippers (Pie is as close as we come and he's a step down from the top).

 

Look at what they're asking from Texas. Do we have anything comparable to offer? No.

[rawaction]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

If they are having a firesale, that means they are trying to trim payroll and Beckett makes too much for their liking. They might want one of those players from the Cubs, but the Cubs aren't giving any of them up, and the Marlins can't afford to take any of them on.

 

Going from Beckett and Lowell to Blalock saves them a lot of money.

 

I understand that they're having a firesale. I was commenting on our possible trades with them. We don't have the cheap major leaguer they would want. Our prospects really aren't that great either.

 

We don't have any blue chippers (Pie is as close as we come and he's a step down from the top).

 

Look at what they're asking from Texas. Do we have anything comparable to offer? No.

 

I think Williams could be very good playing his home games in Florida. And the Cubs don't have a Blalock type player, but Blalock's numbers have slipped each of the last 2 seasons. If he goes to Florida, he will be a marginal upgrade over Lowell in the long run. I think the Marlins would at least consider Williams, Murton and a minor league arm (Pinto?) for Beckett and Lowell, not that I want Mikey.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Haven't seen this posted anyway but rotoworld is reporting that the Marlins and Rangers are in talks for a Beckett-Blalock dea.

 

According to the Dallas Morning News, the Rangers are on the verge of getting Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell from the Marlins for Hank Blalock and John Danks.

Maybe it was Boston's interest in Beckett that pushed the Rangers into including Danks. It'd be a lot to give up, especially if the Marlins aren't going to pick up any portion of Lowell's contract. Nov. 19 - 10:55 pm et

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Lowell had a down year. He should come around. I still think Lowell is very capable of a 25/100 season in Arlington. He is only in his early 30's. If I'm the Rangers I do this deal in a heartbeat. Beckett's ongoing blister problems has been a concern, however, when he is pitching the way he is capable there are not many better. Receiving Beckett & Lowell's contact is worth giving up Blalock & a top pitching prospect.

[Backtobanks]

According to this, the Marlins are in full fire sale mode.

 

Marlins President David Samson would not comment Saturday. But sources said Florida's front office has been telling teams that, except for pitcher Dontrelle Willis and third baseman Miguel Cabrera, everyone is available because of orders to cut payroll from the club-record $65 million spent on last season's team.

 

Everyone knows the Cubs interest in Pierre. Why not Castillo as well? What would it take to get both players?

 

If the Cubs sign Furcal, could they afford to offer both Walker and Cedeno in a deal for Pierre and Castillo?

 

If the Cubs could get Pierre and Castillo without trading Cedeno, then they don't need to spend the $10 million on Furcal. Use the saved money to sweeten the pot for Giles in RF. Pierre and Castillo could bat #1 and #2 with Cedeno and Castillo solidifying the middle infield. In 2007, the Cubs would have plenty of money to spend when Maddux comes off the books and Pie replaces Pierre. You would then have a solid base with a mix of veterans and young players (Murton, Pie, Cedeno, Zambrano, Prior, etc.).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Beckett, on the other hand, is a difference maker waiting to not have blisters.

 

So Beckett is the next Ismael Valdez?

 

No thank you. Beckett is a talent, but is too _____ for my liking. Besides we already have Kerry Wood, why would need his clone?

 

Beckett is the next Ismael Valdez?! Yeah, that's a valid comparison... :roll:

 

With Beckett, the Cubs would have a dominating rotation of Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Beckett, and Maddux. Even if one of those gets hurt, you still have three dominating starters.

 

I know the Cubs aren't likely to get involved, but they should.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

 

Wow. That used to be a good organization.

[E.J.]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

 

Wow. That used to be a good organization.

 

It's unfortunate. They just don't have the fan base that they should. It doesn't help that they have to play baseball in Dolphins Stadium. I remember going to a game in 2003 in late August during their big run to the playoffs and the stadium was still dead.

[Roast]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

 

Wow. That used to be a good organization.

 

It's unfortunate. They just don't have the fan base that they should. It doesn't help that they have to play baseball in Dolphins Stadium. I remember going to a game in 2003 in late August during their big run to the playoffs and the stadium was still dead.

 

*remembers NLCS*

 

Yea, poor them. :x

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Beckett isn't going to be had for some minor league talent. We'd have to give up Ramirez, Lee, Prior, or Z to get him.

 

Blalock and top pitching prospect for Burnett and Lowell (who has negative trade value).

 

We're not going to get him with some combo of minor league pitching, Corey Patterson, and Todd Walker. I can't imagine Hendry trading away one of our studs for Beckett, who has injury concerns.

 

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

 

Wow. That used to be a good organization.

 

Beinfest is a very good GM & Loria is a very good owner. The problem is the support the Marlins is awful. Loria has lost money every year b/c they were spending like a mid-level payroll team & had the income of a low-level payroll team. I don't blame Loria for doing what he is doing. Also, the future of the Marlins in S.FL looks more dim every day. If they don't get a stadium deal very soon, I expect them to pack their bags in the next year or so.

[JeffH]

You might be surprised. Rumor has it they plan to flip Blalock once the trade is completed.

 

I'm guessing to the Pirates. Maybe for Oliver Perez?

[USSoccer]

Wouldn't Florida get more value by dealing Pierre, Beckett and Castillo in seperate deals?

[YearofDaCubs]

I would gladly take Beckett and Castillo off their hands.

[E.J.]

Wouldn't Florida get more value by dealing Pierre, Beckett and Castillo in seperate deals?

 

They're going to have to attach one of them to Lowell if they expect to get out of that deal. I could see them trading Castillo and Pierre separately.

[Guest]

Beinfest is a very good GM & Loria is a very good owner.

Loria is a terrible owner, probably one of (if not the) worst in the history of the sport. An enormous amount of the blame for the current debacle that is the ownerless Expos/Nationals can be placed squarely on his shoulders. It's true that the Marlins have been successful since he took over, but that's more due to the talent John Henry's organization acquired before he took over the Red Sox. About all Loria has managed to accomplish is to alienate yet another gruop of fans (just as he did in Montreal) by demanding a heavily publicly-financed stadium. (Though to be fair, the Marlins actually need a new stadium.)

 

Aside from Henry's brief tenure the Marlins have been continually saddled with bad owners. The fact that Huizenga bought them a WS trophy pales in comparison to the subsequent damage he caused. (Including the ridiculous lease he stuck the team with after he sold the team.)

[CubinNY]

Beinfest is a very good GM & Loria is a very good owner.

Loria is a terrible owner, probably one of (if not the) worst in the history of the sport. An enormous amount of the blame for the current debacle that is the ownerless Expos/Nationals can be placed squarely on his shoulders. It's true that the Marlins have been successful since he took over, but that's more due to the talent John Henry's organization acquired before he took over the Red Sox. About all Loria has managed to accomplish is to alienate yet another gruop of fans (just as he did in Montreal) by demanding a heavily publicly-financed stadium. (Though to be fair, the Marlins actually need a new stadium.)

 

Aside from Henry's brief tenure the Marlins have been continually saddled with bad owners. The fact that Huizenga bought them a WS trophy pales in comparison to the subsequent damage he caused. (Including the ridiculous lease he stuck the team with after he sold the team.)

 

I was waiting for you to post something BK.

 

Loria is an art collector, he is good at collecting art. He is a terrible baseball owner.