Levine: Eyre done deal. 3 years $11 million

[CubfaninCA]

I love this site, I just feel there are double standards on the "nicknames" for players, and how regular posters get away with alot more than new ones. But I will admit my fault, I shouldn't have made that comment on this thread, we are talking about Eyre here.

 

Where else have ripped on how the site is run? :?:

A) I don't think I've seen anyone use "dumpster" in a derogatory way since 2004, which is well before the ban on such names.

B) there should be a double standard in a community this small between long time posters and newbies. The mods here know the people with thousands of posts. They know their general intentions and know if they can be trusted to reign it in if they're instructed to do so. There is a VERY GOOD REASON THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE LAW. We have the sort of legal system ENTIRELY because we live in a society where most people do not know most other people they may run into. It's simply not a good idea to apply to this sort of community because the judges actually know everyone involved in the incidents they moderate.

 

shouldn't the long time posters set the example?? if someone w/ 10000 posts is constantly flaming, someone w/ 100 posts probably thinks it's ok to act up as well.

[USSoccer]

I love this site, I just feel there are double standards on the "nicknames" for players, and how regular posters get away with alot more than new ones. But I will admit my fault, I shouldn't have made that comment on this thread, we are talking about Eyre here.

 

Where else have ripped on how the site is run? :?:

A) I don't think I've seen anyone use "dumpster" in a derogatory way since 2004, which is well before the ban on such names.

B) there should be a double standard in a community this small between long time posters and newbies. The mods here know the people with thousands of posts. They know their general intentions and know if they can be trusted to reign it in if they're instructed to do so. There is a VERY GOOD REASON THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE LAW. We have the sort of legal system ENTIRELY because we live in a society where most people do not know most other people they may run into. It's simply not a good idea to apply to this sort of community because the judges actually know everyone involved in the incidents they moderate.

 

shouldn't the long time posters set the example?? if someone w/ 10000 posts is constantly flaming, someone w/ 100 posts probably thinks it's ok to act up as well.

 

Maybe I missed something-was something said that was uncalled for, or are people just bickering over how optimistic/pessimistic to be?

[sethuel1]

 

Surely, you can't be serious.

 

I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.

Something tells me you were hoping that someday, someone was going to say that, so you could make this joke.

 

Whatever...it's funny anyway!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

I don't actually wait for it, but I've seen the movie so many times that it's a completely ingrained reaction on my part to make that response now.

[CubfaninCA]

2 years w/ an option for a 3rd @ $11 mil sounds good, and my initial guess will be on the money. :o If true, people can drop the pitchforks.

 

As for Rusch being the 5th starter, what happened to Jerome Williams. I'm not buying it. If Hendry's focus is strengthening the pitching, then Rusch will be in long relief.

 

The problem with Rusch being long relief is there is no room for him in the pen unless we trade somebody from that group.

 

Eyre

Ohman

Dempster

Novoa

Williamson

Wuertz

RH setup guy that Hendry has said he wants to get

 

Thats 7 men in the pen right there. Once again I will ask where in the hell does Rusch fit in on this team.

 

Well, one of the young guys could be dealt. Nothing wrong w/ collecting assets when there's a weak free agent market.

[Andy]

I love this site, I just feel there are double standards on the "nicknames" for players, and how regular posters get away with alot more than new ones. But I will admit my fault, I shouldn't have made that comment on this thread, we are talking about Eyre here.

 

Where else have ripped on how the site is run? :?:

A) I don't think I've seen anyone use "dumpster" in a derogatory way since 2004, which is well before the ban on such names.

B) there should be a double standard in a community this small between long time posters and newbies. The mods here know the people with thousands of posts. They know their general intentions and know if they can be trusted to reign it in if they're instructed to do so. There is a VERY GOOD REASON THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE LAW. We have the sort of legal system ENTIRELY because we live in a society where most people do not know most other people they may run into. It's simply not a good idea to apply to this sort of community because the judges actually know everyone involved in the incidents they moderate.

 

shouldn't the long time posters set the example?? if someone w/ 10000 posts is constantly flaming, someone w/ 100 posts probably thinks it's ok to act up as well.

 

Maybe I missed something-was something said that was uncalled for, or are people just bickering over how optimistic/pessimistic to be?

I good-naturedly called Ryan Dempster "Dumpster", an affectionate nickname I've used on him since before I knew he was heckled with the name. Somehow, that led to this. :P

[sethuel1]

are people just bickering over how optimistic/pessimistic to be?

yes.

[Blueheart05]

Wow, was that necessary? Sorry I forgot my spell check. How about commenting on the content of the post?

 

Lighten up, Francis. I was just giving you the business. Spell check wouldn't have helped anyway. Your spelling was right. Just chose the wrong word. :D

 

LOL, I'm cool and didn't mean to be on edge but with the sniping that has been going on in this thread thus far, it's hard not to get defensive. By the way, "Francis" does not bother me... :lol:

[CubfaninCA]

I love this site, I just feel there are double standards on the "nicknames" for players, and how regular posters get away with alot more than new ones. But I will admit my fault, I shouldn't have made that comment on this thread, we are talking about Eyre here.

 

Where else have ripped on how the site is run? :?:

A) I don't think I've seen anyone use "dumpster" in a derogatory way since 2004, which is well before the ban on such names.

B) there should be a double standard in a community this small between long time posters and newbies. The mods here know the people with thousands of posts. They know their general intentions and know if they can be trusted to reign it in if they're instructed to do so. There is a VERY GOOD REASON THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE LAW. We have the sort of legal system ENTIRELY because we live in a society where most people do not know most other people they may run into. It's simply not a good idea to apply to this sort of community because the judges actually know everyone involved in the incidents they moderate.

 

shouldn't the long time posters set the example?? if someone w/ 10000 posts is constantly flaming, someone w/ 100 posts probably thinks it's ok to act up as well.

 

Maybe I missed something-was something said that was uncalled for, or are people just bickering over how optimistic/pessimistic to be?

 

Just a debate over board double standards. The optimism/pessimism debate was earlier today. :)

[USSoccer]

are people just bickering over how optimistic/pessimistic to be?

yes.

 

As far as the Dempster thing goes, well, given all the hassle Tim and the mods had with the anti Corey, anti Sosa, and then retalitory anti everything else, I can see why calling Dempster by that nickname would be skirting the line (not that I think that was your intention).

 

As far as optimism vs pessimism, it seems to me that the great majority of the "pessimists" (myself included) seem to qualify most of their posts witha "so far this offseason" line, or something like it. I don't think there's anything wrong in pointing out a pattern that will almost assuredly lead to our team's success depending on health and luck in 2006. I don't think anyone wants to go down that road. Thus, those of us that see a pattern are crying foul about it. There's nothing wrong with a disagrement, but we aren't jerks just because we've seen this path before, and know it won't likely lead anywhere good.

 

There's nothing wrong with looking at the moves so far and being alarmed.

[da bears]

I hope soon that this offseason starts changing to where we are hearing moves we like. So far, these moves by Hendry have just made me sick.

[JeffH]

By the way, "Francis" does not bother me...

 

Would you prefer "Psycho"?

 

"I don't like nobody touchin' my stuff....so youse keep yer meathooks off."

[Outshined_One]

$11m? What a joke.

[Blueheart05]

By the way, "Francis" does not bother me...

 

Would you prefer "Psycho"?

 

"I don't like nobody touchin' my stuff....so youse keep yer meathooks off."

 

LMAO, no Erika works fine. :wink:

[imb]

may i call you "hugeavatar"?

[Blueheart05]

may i call you "hugeavatar"?

 

Nah, I don't like that name. May I call you greenie?

Edited November 18, 2005 by Blueheart05

[badger1679666666]

I hope soon that this offseason starts changing to where we are hearing moves we like. So far, these moves by Hendry have just made me sick.

 

Seriously, to you and every Cub fan that wants to commit mass cult suicide together based upon 2 weeks of nothing exciting, relax, calm down step off the ledge.

 

Only 1 MAJOR signing has occured so far this season - Godzilla. Before committing suicide over inNeiffable, Rusch, and Eyre (who's a solid reliever) lets all take a collective deep breath.

 

What do you expect to happen 2 weeks into the post season? No deals have been made. It's quite frightening to see the stress levels of fans this early into the post season.

 

Second, and someone whose said "11 million, sickening" please explain why it matters if the CUBS overpay. We'll be spending 105 million this off season, we CAN overpay. Reacting to the years, I understand, but reacting to the pay, I don't. Hendry still has 25-30 million to spend. As long as the big deals are real good, these little ones don't mean squat.

[Careless]

I love this site, I just feel there are double standards on the "nicknames" for players, and how regular posters get away with alot more than new ones. But I will admit my fault, I shouldn't have made that comment on this thread, we are talking about Eyre here.

 

Where else have ripped on how the site is run? :?:

A) I don't think I've seen anyone use "dumpster" in a derogatory way since 2004, which is well before the ban on such names.

B) there should be a double standard in a community this small between long time posters and newbies. The mods here know the people with thousands of posts. They know their general intentions and know if they can be trusted to reign it in if they're instructed to do so. There is a VERY GOOD REASON THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE LAW. We have the sort of legal system ENTIRELY because we live in a society where most people do not know most other people they may run into. It's simply not a good idea to apply to this sort of community because the judges actually know everyone involved in the incidents they moderate.

 

shouldn't the long time posters set the example?? if someone w/ 10000 posts is constantly flaming, someone w/ 100 posts probably thinks it's ok to act up as well.

someone with 10k posts constantly flaming? If one of those 8 posters (6 of whom are mods/admin) is a constant flamer in a way that detracts from the board, you should say something. No one is going to get to 10k posts (or become a mod) if they spend their time sniping at people. They'll be told off at some point.

[cubbyvirus00]

People cry when Hendry does something, people cry when he doesen't do something.

 

If you THINK you can do a better job, you're fooling yourself. The FA market is VERY thin, and the Cubs need to improve their bullpen. Our bullpen the last two seasons has absolutely sucked terribly. We've mostly had young pitchers, who can't even utter the phrase "big game." This gives us a BIG GAME PROVEN pitcher, with good stats. This is a move for desperation, and Hendry didn't want to banter back and forth with 3 other teams lobbying for the same guy.

Edited November 18, 2005 by cubbyvirus00

[Careless]

I hope soon that this offseason starts changing to where we are hearing moves we like. So far, these moves by Hendry have just made me sick.

 

Seriously, to you and every Cub fan that wants to commit mass cult suicide together based upon 2 weeks of nothing exciting, relax, calm down step off the ledge.

 

Only 1 MAJOR signing has occured so far this season - Godzilla. Before committing suicide over inNeiffable, Rusch, and Eyre (who's a solid reliever) lets all take a collective deep breath.

 

What do you expect to happen 2 weeks into the post season? No deals have been made. It's quite frightening to see the stress levels of fans this early into the post season.

 

Second, and someone whose said "11 million, sickening" please explain why it matters if the CUBS overpay. We'll be spending 105 million this off season, we CAN overpay. Reacting to the years, I understand, but reacting to the pay, I don't. Hendry still has 25-30 million to spend. As long as the big deals are real good, these little ones don't mean squat.

These 3 signings mean that there's an extremely high probability that the cubs will have a bad outfiield in 2006 unless a player or two hass an unexpectedly fantastic season.

[USSoccer]

I hope soon that this offseason starts changing to where we are hearing moves we like. So far, these moves by Hendry have just made me sick.

 

Seriously, to you and every Cub fan that wants to commit mass cult suicide together based upon 2 weeks of nothing exciting, relax, calm down step off the ledge.

 

Only 1 MAJOR signing has occured so far this season - Godzilla. Before committing suicide over inNeiffable, Rusch, and Eyre (who's a solid reliever) lets all take a collective deep breath.

 

What do you expect to happen 2 weeks into the post season? No deals have been made. It's quite frightening to see the stress levels of fans this early into the post season.

 

Second, and someone whose said "11 million, sickening" please explain why it matters if the CUBS overpay. We'll be spending 105 million this off season, we CAN overpay. Reacting to the years, I understand, but reacting to the pay, I don't. Hendry still has 25-30 million to spend. As long as the big deals are real good, these little ones don't mean squat.

 

I think the point is-and Vance made it the best-is that overpaying once is okay. Doing it 2 or 3 times makes it a lot worse, especially considering we aren't a better team for it. The Cubs have spent 20-30% of their available money for this winter on these 3 players, and only have a bullpen upgrade to show for it.

 

You are correct in that there have been no major signings, really. But what I see here is the beginning of a bad trend. I *hope* i'm wrong, just like the rest of us that see this pattern hope we're wrong.

[cubbyvirus00]

The other sad thing, is the past few peoples people cried for the Cubs to sign the likes of Hampton, and Thome, yet when they didn't, they came out on top.

 

Giles WILL drop off at some point, and the Yankees will outbid everybody for his services. The guy demands playing on the West Coast, or playing with his brother.

 

In other words hes a prima-donna knowing hes the big fish in the small pond. If you think Hendry's gonna throw ALOT of money at him, only for him to age rapidly, it's not going to happen.

 

If Giles was 29 or 30, it'd be different, but this guy is aging quickly, and its not worth giving him a 12 mill a year deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Okay, disregarding any notion of performance, we just gave a 33 year old relief pitcher 3 years and 8 figures. That's pretty bad unless the person is lights out. Unfortunately for us, the only time he's really been above average is this year. At least Remlinger and Hawkins had more than one good season of good performance when they got long term deals.

[USSoccer]

People cry when Hendry does something, people cry when he doesen't do something.

 

If you THINK you can do a better job, you're fooling yourself. The FA market is VERY thin, and the Cubs need to improve their bullpen. Our bullpen the last two seasons has absolutely sucked terribly. We've mostly had young pitchers, who can't even utter the phrase "big game." This gives us a BIG GAME PROVEN pitcher, with good stats. This is a move for desperation, and Hendry didn't want to banter back and forth with 3 other teams lobbying for the same guy.

 

Kerry Wood. Games 1 and 5, 2003 NLDS. Entire month of September 2003.

Carlos Zambrano. ERA below 3 after the ASB from 2004-5.

Mark Prior: Games 3 NLDS, Game 2 NLCS.

 

I think your hyperbole got ahead of the facts.

 

And actually, there are a few members here at NSBB I think could do an effective job at being a GM. Also, I'm not sure how Scott Eyre qualifies as a "big game proven pitcher". He's a reliever. He's not a closer. He's not a starter. He's a setup guy at best, Those guys don't win you divisions.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The other sad thing, is the past few peoples people cried for the Cubs to sign the likes of Hampton, and Thome, yet when they didn't, they came out on top.

 

Giles WILL drop off at some point, and the Yankees will outbid everybody for his services. The guy demands playing on the West Coast, or playing with his brother.

 

In other words hes a prima-donna knowing hes the big fish in the small pond. If you think Hendry's gonna throw ALOT of money at him, only for him to age rapidly, it's not going to happen.

 

If Giles was 29 or 30, it'd be different, but this guy is aging quickly, and its not worth giving him a 12 mill a year deal.

 

Giles is worth 12 million when your next best option is Juan Encarnacion. I'd rather pay Giles 12 million then pinch pennies with Jaque Jones and finish in fourth place.

 

Just to comprehend the difference an aging Giles would make to the team. Replace Burntiz with Giles for 2005, and the Cubs suddenly have the fifth best OBP in the league.

 

Giles alone without any other signings would have been a difference.

[cubbyvirus00]

Giles wants alot of YEARS, and at some point he will drop of dramatically.

 

 

Kerry Wood. Games 1 and 5, 2003 NLDS. Entire month of September 2003.

Carlos Zambrano. ERA below 3 after the ASB from 2004-5.

Mark Prior: Games 3 NLDS, Game 2 NLCS.

 

Those stats are good, but we have nobody in the bullpen to get that cruical out. Not to mention, it would be nice if the Cubs can have a full season of pitching from the twin ragdolls.