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Yeesh. Remind me to stop coming home from places. I come home from school today and see this deal is "close" and that hendry doesnt want to pursue Giles. Now I come home from work and the deal is done. not only is it done, but it is far too expensive. Crimeny.

 

Hey Roast,

 

I am probably going to get flamed for this, but would it be possible for you to leave out "Jesus Christ" when posting on this forum. I apologize if this comes off as rude or calling you out, I just have been bothered by it for awhile and I would like to enjoy this forum without having my Lords name used that way. If the mods see otherwise, I will let it go. I just don't see a reason to use it.

 

Again, I am not trying to call you out or embarrass you, just asking for alittle respect when language is tossed around here.

 

Thanks man!

 

I actually agree with you, I really need to cut back on doing that. I never used to, i just have of late. Stress makes you say stuff. No offense taken, and I appologize for the language.

 

If we sign Johnny Damon, we could scream that out and actually be talking about our centerfielder.

 

A+ :lol: :lol:

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The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Posted
Well, the Cubs are spending like the Yankees now. Of course, they'll stop overpaying when they hit $105 or $110 million and not keep going to $200 mil. Erye better perform early or the pitchforks will be out for him too. :o
Posted
jesus christ, who the hell is scott eyre

Was that necessary?

 

huh? sorry, i have no idea who the hell he is, i'd never heard of him.

 

I think he's referring to the post Cheesehead made asking Roast to not use the lords name in vain. However I did get a good laugh out of your post about who the hell he was. :wink:

Posted
jesus christ, who the hell is scott eyre

Was that necessary?

 

huh? sorry, i have no idea who the hell he is, i'd never heard of him.

 

I think he's referring to the post Cheesehead made asking Roast to not use the lords name in vain. However I did get a good laugh out of your post about who the hell he was. :wink:

 

oh, i wont get into it in this thread, i guess, but who's lord is he referring to?

Posted
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

Posted (edited)

Even though many on this board, myself included until I took a closer look, would consider that Eyre really has only had one good season, the stats would indicate otherwise.

 

From 2002-2004 (not including that supposedly one good season), Eyre allowed batters to hit .229/.308/.342 against him. Lefties hit .200/.264/.302 while righties were a bit better at .252/.343/.375. He was fairly consistent throughout the year except for the month of August for some reason. But in the stretch month of September in 2002-04, he posted an ERA of 1.17, a WHIP of 1.20 while striking out more than a batter per inning.

 

The numbers also show steady improvement since being diagnosed with attention deficit disorder in 2002 at the age of 30 indicating that with improved ability to focus, he is figuring out how to be more and more successful. His WHIP has steadily improved every year since the diagnosis.

 

In 2004, Eyre showed the ability to get righties out at a good enough rate to be used as more than just a loogy. That ability continued through last season when Scott shutdown lefty batters to tune of .182/.270/.242 while righties could only manage .213/.290/.319.

 

Eyre has also shown durability. He has appeared in 70, 74, 83 and 86 games over the last four seasons respectively. On a team that has been snake bit by injury the past couple of seasons, including in the bullpen (Remy, JoBo, etc.) his durability will be a valuable commodity and something a lot of posters on this board criticized Hendry for not having enough of on the roster last season.

 

Veteran players get paid more than younger ones, it is a fact of life. Eyre has paid his dues and steadily improved over the last three seasons. He is a lefty reliever who is more than just a loogy and has shown the ability to perform well under pressure (he faced over 160 batters in "close and late" conditions last year, and they batted .195 against him). Williamson is still a question mark and after him, the only veteran in the pen is Dempster. The Cubs needed a veteran presence in their bullpen and that is going to cost a few million a year to get.

 

So is Eyre a good signing at this price? If he performs at an average between his 2004 and 2005 performances then, yes. If he reverts to 2002, then no.

 

The question remains, after spending 2.5 million on Perez, 3 mill on Rusch and another 3 mill+ on Eyre, how much money does Hendry have to spend on a SS, a RF and a starter? A lot of that depends on what the Trib's payroll will be next season. How much will the bleacher expansion affect the Cubs ability to spend money? Is it fair to say that the Cubs can't afford 9 mill at SS and 11 mill in RF? I don't think any one of us has the data necessary to make such a judgement with any amount of authority. At this point, we can only hope.

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Posted
Even though many on this board, myself included until I took a closer look, would consider that Eyre really has only had one good season, the stats would indicate otherwise.

 

From 2002-2004 (not including that supposedly one good season), Eyre allowed batters to hit .229/.308/.342 against him. Lefties hit .200/.264/.302 while righties were a bit better at .252/.343/.375. He was fairly consistent throughout the year except for the month of August for some reason. But in the stretch month of September in 2002-04, he posted an ERA of 1.17, a WHIP of 1.20 while striking out more than a batter per inning.

 

The numbers also show steady improvement since being diagnosed with attention deficit disorder in 2002 at the age of 30 indicating that with improved ability to focus, he is figuring out how to be more and more successful. His WHIP has steadily improved every year since the diagnosis.

 

In 2004, Eyre showed the ability to get righties out at a good enough rate to be used as more than just a loogy. That ability continued through last season when Scott shutdown lefty batters to tune of .182/.270/.242 while righties could only manage .213/.290/.319.

 

Veteran players get paid more than younger ones, it is a fact of life. Eyre has paid his dues and steadily improved over the last three seasons. He is a lefty reliever who is more than just a loogy and has shown the ability to perform well under pressure (he faced over 160 batters in "close and late" conditions last year, and they batted .195 against him). Williamson is still a question mark and after him, the only veteran in the pen is Dempster. The Cubs needed a veteran presence in their bullpen and that is going to cost a few million a year to get.

 

So is Eyre a good signing at this price? If he performs at an average between his 2004 and 2005 performances then, yes. If he reverts to 2002, then no.

 

The question remains, after spending 2.5 million on Perez, 3 mill on Rusch and another 3 mill+ on Eyre, how much money does Hendry have to spend on a SS, a RF and a starter? A lot of that depends on what the Trib's payroll will be next season. How much will the bleacher expansion affect the Cubs ability to spend money? Is it fair to say that the Cubs can't afford 9 mill at SS and 11 mill in RF? I don't think any one of us has the data necessary to make such a judgement with any amount of authority. At this point, we can only hope.

An excellent,fair & rational post. It's a nice change around here.

Posted
Well maybe hendry did this one so the demp contract would look like a steal. :lol:

 

Sorry if i'm trolling here - just tell me to stop.

Really, we'd never be able to tel lyou're not a cubs fan :lol:

Posted
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

 

Well, quite frankly I dont like the idea of trading Williams unless its for a big time bat. I love Jeromes upside and hes only 23 and had success at the ML level. If they do trade him I hope its for a proven big time slugger cause if its not Id rather keep him.

Posted
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

 

Well, quite frankly I dont like the idea of trading Williams unless its for a big time bat. I love Jeromes upside and hes only 23 and had success at the ML level. If they do trade him I hope its for a proven big time slugger cause if its not Id rather keep him.

I'm with you on that one. My guess is that JW & GR will be fighting it out in ST for the 5th spot in the rotation. I think JW is best suited for the rotation over the BP. I'd rather see Rusch as the long man in the BP than placing JW's in the pen.

Posted (edited)
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

 

Well, quite frankly I dont like the idea of trading Williams unless its for a big time bat. I love Jeromes upside and hes only 23 and had success at the ML level. If they do trade him I hope its for a proven big time slugger cause if its not Id rather keep him.

I'm with you on that one. My guess is that JW & GR will be fighting it out in ST for the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

What happens when JW wins it and if Wood stays healthy?

 

Starters:

 

Prior

Z

Woody

Maddux (I hated this option year given to him)

Williams

 

Bullpen:

Wuertz

Ohman

Eyre

Dempster

Novoa

Williamson

Howry (whomever/Hendry has said he's going after a Righty setup)

 

That's with a 7 man pen. Why on God's green earth did we resign Glendon Rusch?

Edited by badger
Posted
jesus christ, who the hell is scott eyre

Was that necessary?

 

huh? sorry, i have no idea who the hell he is, i'd never heard of him.

 

I think he's referring to the post Cheesehead made asking Roast to not use the lords name in vain. However I did get a good laugh out of your post about who the hell he was. :wink:

 

oh, i wont get into it in this thread, i guess, but who's lord is he referring to?

If anyone wants to talk/debate it, please do it elsewhere.

 

Cheese's request isn't unreasonable and all I ask is that everyone does their best to respect the other members of this community. That goes for everyone (I don't mean to direct this at IMB).

Posted
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

 

Well, quite frankly I dont like the idea of trading Williams unless its for a big time bat. I love Jeromes upside and hes only 23 and had success at the ML level. If they do trade him I hope its for a proven big time slugger cause if its not Id rather keep him.

I'm with you on that one. My guess is that JW & GR will be fighting it out in ST for the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

What happens when JW wins it and if Wood stays healthy?

 

Starters:

 

Prior

Z

Woody

Maddux (I hated this option year given to him)

Williams

 

Bullpen:

Wuertz

Ohman

Eyre

Dempster

Novoa

Williamson

Howry (whomever/Hendry has said he's going after a Righty setup)

 

That's with a 7 man pen. Why on God's green earth did we resign Glendon Rusch?

 

That has been my main concern with this signing. If we hadnt re-signed Rusch and then signed Eyre then i would have no questions about this signing. However, if Wood stays healthy then I have no clue what the point of Rusch being on this team is. When is the earliest we can trade Rusch?

Posted
The Trib article on the Eyre signing mentions that now the Cubs can pencil in Rusch as the 5th man in the rotation and can no longer have to pursuit another starter.
Posted
Even though many on this board, myself included until I took a closer look, would consider that Eyre really has only had one good season, the stats would indicate otherwise.

 

From 2002-2004 (not including that supposedly one good season), Eyre allowed batters to hit .229/.308/.342 against him. Lefties hit .200/.264/.302 while righties were a bit better at .252/.343/.375. He was fairly consistent throughout the year except for the month of August for some reason. But in the stretch month of September in 2002-04, he posted an ERA of 1.17, a WHIP of 1.20 while striking out more than a batter per inning.

 

The numbers also show steady improvement since being diagnosed with attention deficit disorder in 2002 at the age of 30 indicating that with improved ability to focus, he is figuring out how to be more and more successful. His WHIP has steadily improved every year since the diagnosis.

 

In 2004, Eyre showed the ability to get righties out at a good enough rate to be used as more than just a loogy. That ability continued through last season when Scott shutdown lefty batters to tune of .182/.270/.242 while righties could only manage .213/.290/.319.

 

Eyre has also shown durability. He has appeared in 70, 74, 83 and 86 games over the last four seasons respectively. On a team that has been snake bit by injury the past couple of seasons, including in the bullpen (Remy, JoBo, etc.) his durability will be a valuable commodity and something a lot of posters on this board criticized Hendry for not having enough of on the roster last season.

 

Veteran players get paid more than younger ones, it is a fact of life. Eyre has paid his dues and steadily improved over the last three seasons. He is a lefty reliever who is more than just a loogy and has shown the ability to perform well under pressure (he faced over 160 batters in "close and late" conditions last year, and they batted .195 against him). Williamson is still a question mark and after him, the only veteran in the pen is Dempster. The Cubs needed a veteran presence in their bullpen and that is going to cost a few million a year to get.

 

So is Eyre a good signing at this price? If he performs at an average between his 2004 and 2005 performances then, yes. If he reverts to 2002, then no.

 

The question remains, after spending 2.5 million on Perez, 3 mill on Rusch and another 3 mill+ on Eyre, how much money does Hendry have to spend on a SS, a RF and a starter? A lot of that depends on what the Trib's payroll will be next season. How much will the bleacher expansion affect the Cubs ability to spend money? Is it fair to say that the Cubs can't afford 9 mill at SS and 11 mill in RF? I don't think any one of us has the data necessary to make such a judgement with any amount of authority. At this point, we can only hope.

An excellent,fair & rational post. It's a nice change around here.

Wow, thanks for the kind words.

 

I agree that rationality is in short supply on this message board sometimes, but I also think that posters have the freedom to be as irrational as they want to be, if they so choose.

 

I only wish that when presented with the facts and stats, that those facts and stats would be remembered and incorporated into their opinion making process from that point on.

Posted
The Trib article on the Eyre signing mentions that now the Cubs can pencil in Rusch as the 5th man in the rotation and can no longer have to pursuit another starter.

 

YUCK YUCK YUCK!! So that means we are probably trading Jerome. The trade of Williams better bring in a big time bat because having Rusch as our #5 is asking for problems. Id 100x's rather have Jerome.

Posted
Yeesh. Remind me to stop coming home from places. I come home from school today and see this deal is "close" and that hendry doesnt want to pursue Giles. Now I come home from work and the deal is done. not only is it done, but it is far too expensive. Crimeny.

 

Hey Roast,

 

I am probably going to get flamed for this, but would it be possible for you to leave out "Jesus Christ" when posting on this forum. I apologize if this comes off as rude or calling you out, I just have been bothered by it for awhile and I would like to enjoy this forum without having my Lords name used that way. If the mods see otherwise, I will let it go. I just don't see a reason to use it.

 

Again, I am not trying to call you out or embarrass you, just asking for alittle respect when language is tossed around here.

 

Thanks man!

 

I actually agree with you, I really need to cut back on doing that. I never used to, i just have of late. Stress makes you say stuff. No offense taken, and I appologize for the language.

 

If we sign Johnny Damon, we could scream that out and actually be talking about our centerfielder.

 

A+ :lol: :lol:

Vance beat me to it. :lol:

Posted
The thing I dont understand about this signing is what does it do to Ohman and Rusch? Does this mean Rusch is definatly starting? Does it mean Ohman is trade bait? There is no way in hell we go in(or should) to next season with 3 lefties in the bullpen. To me Ohman is pretty much the exact same thing as Eyre but hes cheaper and younger, so whats the point?

 

Maybe Ohman is now expendable/trade bait?

 

It's safe to say that Hendry feels Eyre will compliment Ohman (or vice versa).

 

Daily Hearld:

 

“Scott was the best guy on the market for us. He had a terrific year,” Cubs general Jim Hendry said. “He has proven he can pitch almost every day with 80 appearances. He’s effective against righties and lefties. We felt it was important to add a quality lefty in the pen to go with (Wil) Ohman.”

 

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=122715

 

Thats good to hear as I think Ohman can be a very valuable guy in our pen. However I dont understand the fact that we are going to have 3 lefties in our bullpen(Rusch, Eyre, Ohman). I just hope this doesnt mean Rusch is our 5th starter, but Ive got a pretty bad feeling that that is going to be the case.

Now it's sounds like Williams could be the possible trade bait or Williams & Rusch will both be starters going into ST until they know how KW is progressing from his off-season shoulder surgery.

 

Well, quite frankly I dont like the idea of trading Williams unless its for a big time bat. I love Jeromes upside and hes only 23 and had success at the ML level. If they do trade him I hope its for a proven big time slugger cause if its not Id rather keep him.

I'm with you on that one. My guess is that JW & GR will be fighting it out in ST for the 5th spot in the rotation.

 

What happens when JW wins it and if Wood stays healthy?

 

Starters:

 

Prior

Z

Woody

Maddux (I hated this option year given to him)

Williams

 

Bullpen:

Wuertz

Ohman

Eyre

Dempster

Novoa

Williamson

Howry (whomever/Hendry has said he's going after a Righty setup)

 

That's with a 7 man pen. Why on God's green earth did we resign Glendon Rusch?

 

That has been my main concern with this signing. If we hadnt re-signed Rusch and then signed Eyre then i would have no questions about this signing. However, if Wood stays healthy then I have no clue what the point of Rusch being on this team is. When is the earliest we can trade Rusch?

I think they have to wait until June 1st to trade Rusch. I could be wrong b/c they extended his contract, before Glendon filed for FA.

Posted
Is this contract 3/11 or 2/11? Per ESPN...

 

CHICAGO -- Free-agent reliever Scott Eyre agreed to terms on a two-year, $11 million contract with the Chicago Cubs on Thursday.

 

Financial terms of the deal, which includes a player option for the 2008 season, were still being negotiated.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2227664

If it's 2/11 I'll kill myself.

Posted
Is this contract 3/11 or 2/11? Per ESPN...

 

CHICAGO -- Free-agent reliever Scott Eyre agreed to terms on a two-year, $11 million contract with the Chicago Cubs on Thursday.

 

Financial terms of the deal, which includes a player option for the 2008 season, were still being negotiated.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2227664

If it's 2/11 I'll kill myself.

 

Dude, it's not worth it, besides I think it's a typo.

Posted
Is this contract 3/11 or 2/11? Per ESPN...

 

CHICAGO -- Free-agent reliever Scott Eyre agreed to terms on a two-year, $11 million contract with the Chicago Cubs on Thursday.

 

Financial terms of the deal, which includes a player option for the 2008 season, were still being negotiated.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2227664

If it's 2/11 I'll kill myself.

 

Dude, it's not worth it, besides I think it's a typo.

That's how I took it at first too but I read that it would be 11mil if the option was exercised.

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