11/19 College Football

[adamb0719]

Pete Carroll and UCS are getting some heat for letting a player who was arrested play. I have read about 5 articles on this and this one seems to have the most info. From what I know USC has run a clean program, and I am not sure why Pete would change that now.

 

 

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-plaschke13nov13,1,6252716,full.column?coll=la-headlines-sports-coll-usc&ctrack=1&cset=true

 

Could possibly be the first time since Carroll was hired that Plaschke wrote something bad about USC. With USC's depleted LB corpse, it was much harder for Carroll to take action against Maualuga.

 

Is this a somewhat big story out there, or is it no big deal?

 

It's big when the pro-USC folks are writing front page stories about it.

 

Wow. Maybe USC will get in trouble and become ineligible for bowl games and scholarships...forever. Than maybe other teams will have a chance.

[Careless]

I'd swear I heard on the radio this morning that there was a game with 3 snaps (punts) into the end zone for safeties last night.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd swear I heard on the radio this morning that there was a game with 3 snaps (punts) into the end zone for safeties last night.

 

I think I saw that while watching sportscenter half asleep this morning. Miami vs. BGSU.

[Careless]

I'd swear I heard on the radio this morning that there was a game with 3 snaps (punts) into the end zone for safeties last night.

 

I think I saw that while watching sportscenter half asleep this morning. Miami vs. BGSU.

espn link

yep. 3 safeties in the first 20 minutes. that'll upset a coach

[Andy]

I'd swear I heard on the radio this morning that there was a game with 3 snaps (punts) into the end zone for safeties last night.

 

I think I saw that while watching sportscenter half asleep this morning. Miami vs. BGSU.

espn link

yep. 3 safeties in the first 20 minutes. that'll upset a coach

Ouch.

 

Silver lining for Miami: They lost by 28 so it didn't really make a difference. :P

[adamb0719]

Well I appears that some of you have been e-mailing questions to SI.com regarding ND's ranking :wink:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/16/mailbag/index.html

 

A pretty good article that explains the reason for their ranking. Simply offering it as a complimentary read to what has already been said. I don't want to stir up the ND argument again.

[Andy]

Well I appears that some of you have been e-mailing questions to SI.com regarding ND's ranking :wink:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/16/mailbag/index.html

 

A pretty good article that explains the reason for their ranking. Simply offering it as a complimentary read to what has already been said. I don't want to stir up the ND argument again.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

That instantly becomes my favorite sportswriting piece of the year. I'm saving that puppy.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Well I appears that some of you have been e-mailing questions to SI.com regarding ND's ranking :wink:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/16/mailbag/index.html

 

A pretty good article that explains the reason for their ranking. Simply offering it as a complimentary read to what has already been said. I don't want to stir up the ND argument again.

 

They're this year's Cal, but with another loss and the Media likes them. That was a pretty poorly written article IMO. He dismisses the records of teams in lieu of watching them play. While there's something to be said for how a team plays, their record, strength of their schedule, etc. are REFELCTIONS of how the team played. This part in particular made me wonder:

 

I haven't heard a single person say, "Hey, have you people forgotten that the 'Canes lost to a Florida State team that got blown out by Clemson?" I'd imagine that's because most people generally accept the notion that Miami has gotten significantly better since that game, while the 'Noles have regressed.

 

He compares this to people pointing out MSU-ND. Maybe the difference is that in the former case, it's the opponent of the opponent losing compared to just the opponent. And if he were to apply that Miami-FSU-Clemson logic to the other situation, then he could ask a similar question about ND-MSU-Northwestern/Purdue/Minnesota. It's just poor logic.

[adamb0719]

Well I appears that some of you have been e-mailing questions to SI.com regarding ND's ranking :wink:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/11/16/mailbag/index.html

 

A pretty good article that explains the reason for their ranking. Simply offering it as a complimentary read to what has already been said. I don't want to stir up the ND argument again.

 

They're this year's Cal, but with another loss and the Media likes them. That was a pretty poorly written article IMO. He dismisses the records of teams in lieu of watching them play. While there's something to be said for how a team plays, their record, strength of their schedule, etc. are REFELCTIONS of how the team played. This part in particular made me wonder:

 

I haven't heard a single person say, "Hey, have you people forgotten that the 'Canes lost to a Florida State team that got blown out by Clemson?" I'd imagine that's because most people generally accept the notion that Miami has gotten significantly better since that game, while the 'Noles have regressed.

 

He compares this to people pointing out MSU-ND. Maybe the difference is that in the former case, it's the opponent of the opponent losing compared to just the opponent. And if he were to apply that Miami-FSU-Clemson logic to the other situation, then he could ask a similar question about ND-MSU-Northwestern/Purdue/Minnesota. It's just poor logic.

 

I hardly think strength of schedule is a reflection of how a team plays. Their record yes, their strength of schedule they have no control over. All a team can do is play the opponent they are supposed to and do their best. Weak or strong the SOS is not a REFLECTION of how a team played. It is how they handle that schedule that reflects on the team.

 

I think what you just explained is exactly what he meant. You kind of confused me, but Miami lost to a sub-par FSU team. It seems everybody forgot that, or agrees that Miami has gotten a lot better. I know I think they have. The ND-MSU-Northwestern, etc... point is the point he is making, I think. ND lost to MSU who lost to any one of those teams. Miami lost to FSU who lost to Clemson, NC State, and Virgina.

 

Do you think ND is a better team since when they played MSU? Likewise do you think MSU is a worse team than when they played?

 

Did any of that make sense? It did when I was writing it, but now I'm not too sure. NDistops, maybe you can better say what I am trying to.

[Andy]

Pretty simple IMO. The ND team that lost to MSU wasn't very good. The ND team that has played ever since (nearly beating USC then routing BYU, UT and Navy) would have a shot at beating any team in America.

 

I agreed with Mandel's column. Notre Dame has been dominant in their last three games with the exception of about a quarter and a half of the UT game. They've scored 49, 42 and 42 the last three weeks. And yes, the BYU and Navy D's aren't great, but the UT defense was holding a very good bunch of SEC teams under 20 points consistently, and Notre Dame piled up 28 offensive points on them (plus the 2 Zibby TDs).

 

Bottom line, is that Notre Dame these days is looking a lot like a sixth-ranked team, whereas these other teams, such as Oregon, OSU, UCLA, etc. have not been looking very good these days. I think Mandel made this point well by talking about how VT, Oregon, Bama, etc. have played lately. Oregon, UCLA and Alabama in particular have not been very good lately, and if you look for a moment past the one-game record differential, Notre Dame is completely outperforming those teams. The schedule argument can't really apply either, because while ND has dominated UT and Navy the last couple of weeks, Bama has been failing to get in the endzone on a pitiful Mississippi State team, Oregon has been having to orchestrate crazy comebacks to beat Washington State, UCLA had to come back on Stanford and then got blitzed by a Zona team that then turned around and got smoked by the Washington Fighting Willinghams. Schedule or no schedule, the Irish have looked as good over the last month as any team in America besides the undefeateds and a couple of other high-ranked teams (LSU for instance).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pretty simple IMO. The ND team that lost to MSU wasn't very good. The ND team that has played ever since (nearly beating USC then routing BYU, UT and Navy) would have a shot at beating any team in America.

 

I agreed with Mandel's column. Notre Dame has been dominant in their last three games with the exception of about a quarter and a half of the UT game. They've scored 49, 42 and 42 the last three weeks. And yes, the BYU and Navy D's aren't great, but the UT defense was holding a very good bunch of SEC teams under 20 points consistently, and Notre Dame piled up 28 offensive points on them (plus the 2 Zibby TDs).

 

Bottom line, is that Notre Dame these days is looking a lot like a sixth-ranked team, whereas these other teams, such as Oregon, OSU, UCLA, etc. have not been looking very good these days. I think Mandel made this point well by talking about how VT, Oregon, Bama, etc. have played lately. Oregon, UCLA and Alabama in particular have not been very good lately, and if you look for a moment past the one-game record differential, Notre Dame is completely outperforming those teams. The schedule argument can't really apply either, because while ND has dominated UT and Navy the last couple of weeks, Bama has been failing to get in the endzone on a pitiful Mississippi State team, Oregon has been having to orchestrate crazy comebacks to beat Washington State, UCLA had to come back on Stanford and then got blitzed by a Zona team that then turned around and got smoked by the Washington Fighting Willinghams. Schedule or no schedule, the Irish have looked as good over the last month as any team in America besides the undefeateds and a couple of other high-ranked teams (LSU for instance).

 

While it's true that ND has blown out their opponents while Oregon, UCLA, and Alabama haven't been good, look at their competition. The quality of Notre Dame's opponents rapidly deteriorates after USC on their schedule, and by nature of a conference schedule, the others' schedules improve.

 

EDIT: This is my last post related to Notre Dame in this thread.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I hardly think strength of schedule is a reflection of how a team plays. Their record yes, their strength of schedule they have no control over. All a team can do is play the opponent they are supposed to and do their best. Weak or strong the SOS is not a REFLECTION of how a team played. It is how they handle that schedule that reflects on the team.

 

On it's own SOS isn't an indication, but if a team beats USC and "looks" the same way they do when they beat TCU by the same margin, how do you know which one is better? Record and SOS.

[adamb0719]

Pretty simple IMO. The ND team that lost to MSU wasn't very good. The ND team that has played ever since (nearly beating USC then routing BYU, UT and Navy) would have a shot at beating any team in America.

 

I agreed with Mandel's column. Notre Dame has been dominant in their last three games with the exception of about a quarter and a half of the UT game. They've scored 49, 42 and 42 the last three weeks. And yes, the BYU and Navy D's aren't great, but the UT defense was holding a very good bunch of SEC teams under 20 points consistently, and Notre Dame piled up 28 offensive points on them (plus the 2 Zibby TDs).

 

Bottom line, is that Notre Dame these days is looking a lot like a sixth-ranked team, whereas these other teams, such as Oregon, OSU, UCLA, etc. have not been looking very good these days. I think Mandel made this point well by talking about how VT, Oregon, Bama, etc. have played lately. Oregon, UCLA and Alabama in particular have not been very good lately, and if you look for a moment past the one-game record differential, Notre Dame is completely outperforming those teams. The schedule argument can't really apply either, because while ND has dominated UT and Navy the last couple of weeks, Bama has been failing to get in the endzone on a pitiful Mississippi State team, Oregon has been having to orchestrate crazy comebacks to beat Washington State, UCLA had to come back on Stanford and then got blitzed by a Zona team that then turned around and got smoked by the Washington Fighting Willinghams. Schedule or no schedule, the Irish have looked as good over the last month as any team in America besides the undefeateds and a couple of other high-ranked teams (LSU for instance).

 

While it's true that ND has blown out their opponents while Oregon, UCLA, and Alabama haven't been good, look at their competition. The quality of Notre Dame's opponents rapidly deteriorates after USC on their schedule, and by nature of a conference schedule, the others' schedules improve.

 

 

Cpatt, I don't think we ever agree on this issue. Perhaps, as I mentioned earlier we should just not discuss ND in the College Football threads. Lets talk about your team. Is Mizzou going to be bowl eligible? (I don't mean that sarcastically, I am trying to change the topic an d am genuinely curious). I know they have a very outside shot of winning the conference, pretty much a miracle will be needed, but will they be in a bowl? If so what one?

 

Just saw your edit. Guess we are thinking on the same lines here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pretty simple IMO. The ND team that lost to MSU wasn't very good. The ND team that has played ever since (nearly beating USC then routing BYU, UT and Navy) would have a shot at beating any team in America.

 

I agreed with Mandel's column. Notre Dame has been dominant in their last three games with the exception of about a quarter and a half of the UT game. They've scored 49, 42 and 42 the last three weeks. And yes, the BYU and Navy D's aren't great, but the UT defense was holding a very good bunch of SEC teams under 20 points consistently, and Notre Dame piled up 28 offensive points on them (plus the 2 Zibby TDs).

 

Bottom line, is that Notre Dame these days is looking a lot like a sixth-ranked team, whereas these other teams, such as Oregon, OSU, UCLA, etc. have not been looking very good these days. I think Mandel made this point well by talking about how VT, Oregon, Bama, etc. have played lately. Oregon, UCLA and Alabama in particular have not been very good lately, and if you look for a moment past the one-game record differential, Notre Dame is completely outperforming those teams. The schedule argument can't really apply either, because while ND has dominated UT and Navy the last couple of weeks, Bama has been failing to get in the endzone on a pitiful Mississippi State team, Oregon has been having to orchestrate crazy comebacks to beat Washington State, UCLA had to come back on Stanford and then got blitzed by a Zona team that then turned around and got smoked by the Washington Fighting Willinghams. Schedule or no schedule, the Irish have looked as good over the last month as any team in America besides the undefeateds and a couple of other high-ranked teams (LSU for instance).

 

While it's true that ND has blown out their opponents while Oregon, UCLA, and Alabama haven't been good, look at their competition. The quality of Notre Dame's opponents rapidly deteriorates after USC on their schedule, and by nature of a conference schedule, the others' schedules improve.

 

 

Cpatt, I don't think we ever agree on this issue. Perhaps, as I mentioned earlier we should just not discuss ND in the College Football threads. Lets talk about your team. Is Mizzou going to be bowl eligible? (I don't mean that sarcastically, I am trying to change the topic an d am genuinely curious). I know they have a very outside shot of winning the conference, pretty much a miracle will be needed, but will they be in a bowl? If so what one?

 

Missed the edit. :D

 

Mizzou is bowl eligible, and what bowl they get will depend on how the last game of the season goes for the Big 12. As outlined before, they can still win the Big 12 north and conceivably get in a BCS bowl, but if they win this weekend against K-State, they'll probably get into the Houston Bowl or Independence Bowl.

[adamb0719]

Mizzou is bowl eligible, and what bowl they get will depend on how the last game of the season goes for the Big 12. As outlined before, they can still win the Big 12 north and conceivably get in a BCS bowl, but if they win this weekend against K-State, they'll probably get into the Houston Bowl or Independence Bowl.

 

Independence bowl is against the SEC right? Any chance they will match up with either Tennesse or South Carolina?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Mizzou is bowl eligible, and what bowl they get will depend on how the last game of the season goes for the Big 12. As outlined before, they can still win the Big 12 north and conceivably get in a BCS bowl, but if they win this weekend against K-State, they'll probably get into the Houston Bowl or Independence Bowl.

 

Independence bowl is against the SEC right? Any chance they will match up with either Tennesse or South Carolina?

 

Those are the two teams that look like it matches up for, assuming Tennessee can get bowl eligible.

[Flames24Rulz]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

[Andy]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

[adamb0719]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

 

BSU is within one in the MAC!!? Wow. I don't think won more than 4 games the four years I was there. Is there still a Lynch at QB?

[Andy]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

 

BSU is within one in the MAC!!? Wow. I don't think won more than 4 games the four years I was there. Is there still a Lynch at QB?

As a matter of fact, Adam, there is! Joey Lynch, but he is actually really good, especially considering the o-line gives him no time to throw, ever.

 

We're 4-6, on a three game win streak. If we can beat CMU, we end the season 5-6, and with 19 :shock: starters returning next year, we look like a (wait for it) BOWL TEAM!

[Flames24Rulz]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

 

thanks..i have to admit, i was at that Ball St. game and no one thought we were going to beat both Central Michigan AND Toledo on the road after that loss to Ball St. NIU has played 2 real hard games and now we definitely control our own fate as all we have to do is beat Western Mich. At least we finally have the Toledo monkey off our back :)

[adamb0719]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

 

BSU is within one in the MAC!!? Wow. I don't think won more than 4 games the four years I was there. Is there still a Lynch at QB?

As a matter of fact, Adam, there is! Joey Lynch, but he is actually really good, especially considering the o-line gives him no time to throw, ever.

 

We're 4-6, on a three game win streak. If we can beat CMU, we end the season 5-6, and with 19 :shock: starters returning next year, we look like a (wait for it) BOWL TEAM!

 

Wow. BSU in a bowl? Hoke is turning it around, huh?

I remember when they went to the tourney a few years ago. The place was crazy.

[Andy]

WE BEAT TOLEDO!!! I knew Wolfe would play and he was awesome :)

 

the MAC West comes down to next Wednesday's afternoon game against Western Michigan. Kinda a weird time for a game, 12:30 central time. I definitely am skipping school next week to go to the Western Mich game. I can't wait :D

Good luck Flames, and thanks for pulling us within one game of first in the division, even though we can't win it. :)

 

Hope you guys win the MAC. It'd be awesome for our ego to know we dominated the MAC champion at their place. :wink:

 

BSU is within one in the MAC!!? Wow. I don't think won more than 4 games the four years I was there. Is there still a Lynch at QB?

As a matter of fact, Adam, there is! Joey Lynch, but he is actually really good, especially considering the o-line gives him no time to throw, ever.

 

We're 4-6, on a three game win streak. If we can beat CMU, we end the season 5-6, and with 19 :shock: starters returning next year, we look like a (wait for it) BOWL TEAM!

 

Wow. BSU in a bowl? Hoke is turning it around, huh?

I remember when they went to the tourney a few years ago. The place was crazy.

I said when I got here that I wanted the Cards to make a bowl and the NCAA Tourney before I left.

 

I had no idea that both might happen...but the 2005-06 basketball team and the 2006 football team certainly seem capable of pulling it off.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wow. BSU in a bowl? Hoke is turning it around, huh?

I remember when they went to the tourney a few years ago. The place was crazy.

 

Was that the year they went nuts and beat all those teams in Maui?

[Andy]

Wow. BSU in a bowl? Hoke is turning it around, huh?

I remember when they went to the tourney a few years ago. The place was crazy.

 

Was that the year they went nuts and beat all those teams in Maui?

Indeed it was. Beat I believe Duke and UCLA before losing to Kansas. Or something like that.