Interesting Dusty Quote:

[badger1679666666]

From: Cubs.com

 

Baker was fuming after Wednesday's 4-3 loss because of his team's mental mistakes. Three Cubs pitchers did not cover first on ground balls. In the bottom of the ninth, the Cubs lost on a passed ball with the bases loaded, as catcher Michael Barrett threw down to third while Rollins was halfway up the third-base line, allowing him to score.

 

But it was the pitchers not covering first base that still had Baker upset.

 

"[Pitching coach] Larry [Rothschild] is going to address it," Baker said. "It's within his department."

 

Baker wouldn't say if he addressed his players after Wednesday's defeat.

 

"I keep telling you it's not for your eyes to see," Baker said. "Any yelling is not for show. It's not for public consumption. I don't put on shows."

 

The reason I thought this was interesting is because I know in the game threads a lot of people were critical of dusty not being visibly angry. I found it interesting to see that it was pretty clear that he did get pissed off.

 

I blame dusty for a lot of things, but when criticism is miscorrectly assigned I feel the need to correct it, if possible.

 

He still makes bonehead decisions, but maybe he doesn't sleep at the wheel like we think he does. He respects his players enough not to do that. Not necessarily a bad thing IMO.

 

Flame away.

[Flames24Rulz]

i like how he lets Rothschild address it, but he doesn't.

 

he was visibly pissed off, but cmon. Your the manager of the team. You should be addressing it as well.

[badger1679666666]

i like how he lets Rothschild address it, but he doesn't.

 

he was visibly pissed off, but cmon. Your the manager of the team. You should be addressing it as well.

 

Maybe it's like football, where some head coaches do NOTHING with the offense. They put their full faith in the Off. Coordinator. Dusty doesn't know how to manage pitching anyway, so maybe he leaves as much as he can up to Larry?

[10man]

Dusty doesn't know how to manage pitching anyway, so maybe he leaves as much as he can up to Larry?

Those mental errors by the pitchers weren't pitching problems, they were fielding problems.

[10man]

"I keep telling you it's not for your eyes to see," Baker said. "Any yelling is not for show. It's not for public consumption. I don't put on shows."

I'd say he's put on a very laughable show this year.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Nothing is ever Dusty's fault. Haven't we learned this after 2+ seasons with this clown ?

 

I can't stand Skip Bayless, but when Baker left San Fransisco Bayless noted that the folks back in Chicago and Cub Nation will learn that nothing is ever Dusty's fault. I gave Dusty the benefit of the doubt, but Bayless was right on.

[CubinNY]

Nothing is ever Dusty's fault. Haven't we learned this after 2+ seasons with this clown ?

 

Exactly. "Hey, it's not my job, it is the pitching coach's job."

 

Sorry Dusty it is your job. You are the manager, the team is a reflection of you.

[hawkeyecub]

It sounds like most of you have never coached before and possibly never played sports before.

Pitching coaches handle everything pitchers do. They handle your fielding drills, covering 1st, pick off moves, etc. If something goes wrong and needs to be worked on, it's going to be the pitching coach out there busting them and making them do it right.

 

There are a number of coaches who follow Dusty's style of not showing visible anger on the sidelines/in the dugout. His comments indicated to me that he gave them an earful in the clubhouse afterwards. That doesn't mean it's less effective than Larry Bowa ripping them in the dugout.

 

The fact is, none of you have any idea what goes on behind closed doors. The one thing we do know, is that for the most part, that's where Dusty handles all of his problems.

[J.R.]

Nothing is ever Dusty's fault. Haven't we learned this after 2+ seasons with this clown ?

 

I can't stand Skip Bayless, but when Baker left San Fransisco Bayless noted that the folks back in Chicago and Cub Nation will learn that nothing is ever Dusty's fault. I gave Dusty the benefit of the doubt, but Bayless was right on.

 

It's scary that I find myself agreeing with wretched columnists more and more often.

[Warren Brusstar]

There are 1,000 things that make Dusty a poor manager. His belief that people should be praised in public and criticized in private is not one of them. That's just effective leadership. Quite frankly (channeling Stuart A.), i believe that he does criticize the players in private.

[CubinNY]

It sounds like most of you have never coached before and possibly never played sports before.

Pitching coaches handle everything pitchers do. They handle your fielding drills, covering 1st, pick off moves, etc. If something goes wrong and needs to be worked on, it's going to be the pitching coach out there busting them and making them do it right.

 

BS. That is not what Dusty said. He said Rothschild will adress it [the pitchers lack of fundamentals). It was his (Rothschild's) department. What does that say to you?

 

To me it says, "hey it's not my responsibilty, it is Larry's". Everything a ball culb does on the field is the manager's responisbility. It sounds to me like you've never been a coach. But, I really wouldn't know becuase I don't make irresponsible assumptions.

Edited August 5, 2005 by CubinNY

[UK1679666180]

This isn't surprising, it goes along with my theory that there has always been a separation between Rothschild and Baker from day 1. A quote between two coaches would more than likely go a little bit differently if they'd see eye to eye.

 

I believe this is the final year of Larry's contract...

[johnnyba99]

The quote on rotoworld is even better:

 

''Somebody is going to have to pay,'' Baker said. ''Somebody is in trouble. It was like doo-dooon the mound or something. Don't ask me. Larry is going to address it with them. That's Larry's department. I'm in charge, but a manager is in charge of certain functions.''

 

I have to wonder, did he really say doo-doo? Maybe they printed what they were allowed to and not what he said? I found it hilarious either way.

[gflore34]

From the end of the article:

 

The players know the fundamentals. Getting them to perform them is another story. Baker said it's up to the catcher to remind them to cover first.

 

"Most of the time when you [goof] up something, it's something you've done over and over and over again," Baker said. "You take it for granted that you know it already. You just have to remind them. Those were very simple, fundamental mistakes.

 

"Maybe it was contagious last night."

 

The catcher has to remind the pitchers to cover first? That's akin to my manager reminding me, a database programmer, to login prior to running a database query.

 

Now I know why so players would love to play for Dusty. What other Manager will allow them to make the same mistakes over and over yet, defend them and make excuses as to why the mistakes are made?

[JC]

Its clear that Dusty is starting to insulate himself from criticism. While I personally no longer have any faith that Rothschild is a special pitching coach, I wonder how MacPhail feels about Dusty throwing his hand-picked guy under the bus?

 

In other Dusty news, its not surprising that Bruce Miles is the only media member to realize the following about Dusty's alleged interest with the Dodgers:

 

Link

 

General manager Jim Hendry probably wouldn’t stand in the way of Baker taking a better opportunity, if that’s what he wanted, but the Cubs would be due compensation from the Dodgers.

 

But we’re getting way ahead of ourselves.

 

Dodgers general manager Paul DePodesta is a disciple of Oakland Athletics GM Billy Beane and his “Moneyball” approach to baseball. That philosophy, originally espoused to help small-market teams compete, stresses the importance of on-base percentage as the key offensive statistic. Beane has been able to unearth several low-cost players who fit this bill.

 

Baker is more of an old-school guy, one who prefers his hitters to be aggressive at the plate. So Baker and the Dodgers don’t appear to be a good fit.

 

But it made for a good story.

[Exile on Waveland]

Why must the yelling at players come behind doors -- which certainly wasn't the case last year with Patterson -- but it's quite all right to throw your pitching coach under the bus publicly?

 

The thing is, as manager, he has to take responsibility no matter what -- even if this is Rothschild's department. That's leadership, that's what a good manager does. Simply say, "It's my team, I'm the manager, so I'm responsible for what goes on between the lines." That's the appropriate response.

 

I'm counting the days until I no longer have to hear Baker's incessant excuse-making.

[erik316wttn]

i like how he lets Rothschild address it, but he doesn't.

 

he was visibly pissed off, but cmon. Your the manager of the team. You should be addressing it as well.

 

That was my thought.

[MustangMike]

From: Cubs.com

 

Baker was fuming after Wednesday's 4-3 loss because of his team's mental mistakes. Three Cubs pitchers did not cover first on ground balls. In the bottom of the ninth, the Cubs lost on a passed ball with the bases loaded, as catcher Michael Barrett threw down to third while Rollins was halfway up the third-base line, allowing him to score.

 

But it was the pitchers not covering first base that still had Baker upset.

 

"[Pitching coach] Larry [Rothschild] is going to address it," Baker said. "It's within his department."

 

Baker wouldn't say if he addressed his players after Wednesday's defeat.

 

"I keep telling you it's not for your eyes to see," Baker said. "Any yelling is not for show. It's not for public consumption. I don't put on shows."

 

The reason I thought this was interesting is because I know in the game threads a lot of people were critical of dusty not being visibly angry. I found it interesting to see that it was pretty clear that he did get pissed off.

 

I blame dusty for a lot of things, but when criticism is miscorrectly assigned I feel the need to correct it, if possible.

 

He still makes bonehead decisions, but maybe he doesn't sleep at the wheel like we think he does. He respects his players enough not to do that. Not necessarily a bad thing IMO.

 

Flame away.

 

What's sad is he takes no blame for the mistakes on this team...only puts it on his second or third in charge. I'm so sick of Dusty Baker. You think Bobby Cox would have blamed someone else...heck that just wouldn't have happend on his teams. Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[erik316wttn]

From the end of the article:

 

The players know the fundamentals. Getting them to perform them is another story. Baker said it's up to the catcher to remind them to cover first.

 

"Most of the time when you [goof] up something, it's something you've done over and over and over again," Baker said. "You take it for granted that you know it already. You just have to remind them. Those were very simple, fundamental mistakes.

 

"Maybe it was contagious last night."

 

The catcher has to remind the pitchers to cover first? That's akin to my manager reminding me, a database programmer, to login prior to running a database query.

 

Now I know why so players would love to play for Dusty. What other Manager will allow them to make the same mistakes over and over yet, defend them and make excuses as to why the mistakes are made?

 

That is exactly the reason that players love playing for Dusty. He'll give them chance after chance after chance after chance, even if they keep making the same boneheaded plays, and they won't get benched. Dusty will make excuses for them in the media, and keep playing them over someone on the bench who is more qualified, even as they keep making the same boneheaded mistakes, because Dusty is a loyal dude.

 

I'd love to go to a job where I wasn't held accountable for anything either.

[TheDude]

It sounds like most of you have never coached before and possibly never played sports before.

Pitching coaches handle everything pitchers do. They handle your fielding drills, covering 1st, pick off moves, etc. If something goes wrong and needs to be worked on, it's going to be the pitching coach out there busting them and making them do it right.

 

There are a number of coaches who follow Dusty's style of not showing visible anger on the sidelines/in the dugout. His comments indicated to me that he gave them an earful in the clubhouse afterwards. That doesn't mean it's less effective than Larry Bowa ripping them in the dugout.

 

The fact is, none of you have any idea what goes on behind closed doors. The one thing we do know, is that for the most part, that's where Dusty handles all of his problems.

This was the best post in thread. I applaud you for bringing it up.

 

Dusty was correct in this issue. Effective managers delegate responsibility for certain things, and all around baseball, at any level, this is the pitching coach's area.

[soapy]

It sounds like most of you have never coached before and possibly never played sports before.

Pitching coaches handle everything pitchers do. They handle your fielding drills, covering 1st, pick off moves, etc. If something goes wrong and needs to be worked on, it's going to be the pitching coach out there busting them and making them do it right.

 

There are a number of coaches who follow Dusty's style of not showing visible anger on the sidelines/in the dugout. His comments indicated to me that he gave them an earful in the clubhouse afterwards. That doesn't mean it's less effective than Larry Bowa ripping them in the dugout.

 

The fact is, none of you have any idea what goes on behind closed doors. The one thing we do know, is that for the most part, that's where Dusty handles all of his problems.

This was the best post in thread. I applaud you for bringing it up.

 

Dusty was correct in this issue. Effective managers delegate responsibility for certain things, and all around baseball, at any level, this is the pitching coach's area.

 

Of course he delegates responsibility. Nobody is saying he shouldn't. But he's still ultimately responsible for what happens on the field. The buck stops with him, period. I don't doubt that this is Rothchild's department, but it doesn't mean Dusty doesn't share in the responsibility.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why must the yelling at players come behind doors -- which certainly wasn't the case last year with Patterson -- but it's quite all right to throw your pitching coach under the bus publicly?

 

This immediately came to mind when I read the quote.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

It sounds like most of you have never coached before and possibly never played sports before.

Pitching coaches handle everything pitchers do. They handle your fielding drills, covering 1st, pick off moves, etc. If something goes wrong and needs to be worked on, it's going to be the pitching coach out there busting them and making them do it right.

 

There are a number of coaches who follow Dusty's style of not showing visible anger on the sidelines/in the dugout. His comments indicated to me that he gave them an earful in the clubhouse afterwards. That doesn't mean it's less effective than Larry Bowa ripping them in the dugout.

 

The fact is, none of you have any idea what goes on behind closed doors. The one thing we do know, is that for the most part, that's where Dusty handles all of his problems.

This was the best post in thread. I applaud you for bringing it up.

 

Dusty was correct in this issue. Effective managers delegate responsibility for certain things, and all around baseball, at any level, this is the pitching coach's area.

 

 

Yes I have and do. If a player screws up that I have been working with in my area of responsability the Head Coach will say, "It is my responsability to make sure they know what they are supposed to do in that situation." Then my butt is chewed on because I didnt get the job done behind closed doors.

 

This is an open public pass the buck to Rothchild make him look bad move. I appreciate how Dusty will stand up for his guys but at somepoint it involves taking those shots yourself. Not dumping them on a guy because you don't like him for whatever reason.

[halplm]

There's a difference between delegating responsability and delegating blame.

 

Yes, it's the pitching coach's responsability to make sure the pitchers do their job, but it's Dusty's responsability to make sure the pitching coach accomplishes that.

 

If something slips through like that game, it's Dusty's fault, not Larry's. He's the only one that's ultimately responsible.

 

The pitching coach makes sure they do the drills, the Manager makes sure the team is ready and able to play in ALL aspects.

 

No quality manager places blame. Its all on him or the team as a whole. No quality manager puts his pitching coach, center fielder, catcher, on the spot, but makes statements like "We'll be working on that," or "We have a lot to work on."

 

Dusty DOES make a show of NOT yelling in public, but then he goes and makes underhanded and snide-like comments placing blame everywhere but on himself. His SHOW is all about himself.

 

I will lose all faith in Hendry and MacPhail if Dusty is the manager next year. I don't care how much he gets paid.

[ConstableRabbit]

Speaking of interesting Dusty quotes...

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