Lawton to Cubs for Gerut

[CuseCubFan69]

Who started in LF today?

 

Gerut, but that isn't really the point.

 

IMO if Holla was hitting 400 and had a 500 OBP do you think that Murton would see any action at all? I don't.

[E.J.]

Can anyone see Dusty putting Burnitz in CF, Lawton in LF, and Murton in RF? Burnitz is probably a better defender than Hairston anyway. Hairston has been pretty bad in the outfield lately.

[imb]

Relative to what moves were actually made this year, I can't see how you can give it a "yuck" label.

 

It was clearly a sellers' market and Hendry did what he could to make this team better.

I gave it a yuck label because of who we got. Lawton always does well in the first half, then DIES DIES DIES in teh second. Oh well. I guess this isnt too bad of a situation. I'm just a little dissapointed we couldnt nab somebody else.

 

It's not the slam dunk we were looking for, but it definitely improves the team. And it was worth the gamble.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Can anyone see Dusty putting Burnitz in CF, Lawton in LF, and Murton in RF?

 

Not with any consistency.

[Geech]

IMO if Holla was hitting 400 and had a 500 OBP do you think that Murton would see any action at all? I don't.

 

I'm hardly one to defend Dusty, Cuse, but the fact is that Murton has gotten starts vs RH pitchers lately.

[TXCubsFan]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

After Mitre's performance today, I'm betting he's returned to Iowa.

[Geech]

It's not the slam dunk we were looking for, but it definitely improves the team. And it was worth the gamble.

 

I just don't know about that. I suspect, though it's just a hunch, that Dusty is less likely to platoon Lawton than Holla. That means that a lot of ABs dry up for Murton just as he was winning more playing time. If Lawton posts a .330 OBP in the second half at Murton's expense I certainly won't be happy.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

Actually I am satisfied with this trade I just think it's funny that the guy withthe teams highest OBP is going to be the one replaced.

[DougDascenzo]

After Mitre's performance today, I'm betting he's returned to Iowa.

 

Im hoping Remmy gets DFA'd and Mitre and Cedeno get sent down.

[DougDascenzo]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

Actually I am satisfied with this trade I just think it's funny that the guy withthe teams highest OBP is going to be the one replaced.

 

cuse again, they're not replacing Lee...They're replacing Holly who has an OBP of around .300

 

Where you gettin that bro?

[Geech]

He's referring to Murton, Doug.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

Actually I am satisfied with this trade I just think it's funny that the guy withthe teams highest OBP is going to be the one replaced.

 

cuse again, they're not replacing Lee...They're replacing Holly who has an OBP of around .300

 

Where you gettin that bro?

 

Murton, his OBP is over .500 I believe.

[Balsa]

Over the last three years, Lawton has had half the ABs after the All-Star break as he had before....

[gflore34]

After Mitre's performance today, I'm betting he's returned to Iowa.

 

Im hoping Remmy gets DFA'd and Mitre and Cedeno get sent down.

 

With the return of Williamson and Wood I'm thinking Mitre and Remlinger may be on their way out. I also believe Wellemeyer is going to take Wuertz spot in pen as Wuertz gets sent back down to Iowa.

[ThePenguin11]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

After Mitre's performance today, I'm betting he's returned to Iowa.

 

I wish Remlinger was headed somewhere - like DFAville.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO if Holla was hitting 400 and had a 500 OBP do you think that Murton would see any action at all? I don't.

 

I'm hardly one to defend Dusty, Cuse, but the fact is that Murton has gotten starts vs RH pitchers lately.

 

I know Geech I'm just a little edgey when it comes to Baker and his fear of rookie success. I apoligize if it came out crass.

 

I've just got to take a step back and see how this develops. I'd just hate to see another Dubois situation.

[DougDascenzo]

ah, he of the 34 major league at bats...

 

methinks Dusty was going to play Gerut or Holly over him anyway except against lefties. I know he started against a righty recently... but come on, it's Dusty Baker we're talking about.

 

Murton's OBP is not going to stay that high. who knows how far down it will go. Lawton will probably only regress to .350 worst case.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think it's a little ironic that Hendry is going to replace the guy with the highest OBP with Lawton. I'm hoping that Lawton can play CF and he can't be worse there than Hairston. I would rather have an OF of Murton/Lawton/Burnitz than Lawton/Hairston/Burnitz.

 

While it's not the blockbuster trade everyone was hoping for, it does add to the depth and versatility of the team. As of right now, you have 3 options for LF, 3 for CF, 3 for RF, 3 for 2B, 2 for leadoff, etc. Unfortunately, instead of Hairston replacing Macias as supersub, I'm sure Cedeno will go down to AAA. Hopefully, the Cubs will cut Remlinger when Williamson and Wood return. Who knows, maybe they can get a little something (very little) for him when he goes on waivers.

 

Actually I am satisfied with this trade I just think it's funny that the guy withthe teams highest OBP is going to be the one replaced.

 

cuse again, they're not replacing Lee...They're replacing Holly who has an OBP of around .300

 

Where you gettin that bro?

 

Yeah, as CPatt mentioned I was talking about Murton. I just consider Holla to be a part time player but I see what you're saying about it being Holla's replacement.

[CoolHandLuke]

ah, he of the 34 major league at bats...

 

methinks Dusty was going to play Gerut or Holly over him anyway except against lefties. I know he started against a righty recently... but come on, it's Dusty Baker we're talking about.

 

Murton's OBP is not going to stay that high. who knows how far down it will go. Lawton will probably only regress to .350 worst case.

 

If it does regress to .350 that means he hits like crap the rest of the year.

[CuseCubFan69]

ah, he of the 34 major league at bats...

 

methinks Dusty was going to play Gerut or Holly over him anyway except against lefties. I know he started against a righty recently... but come on, it's Dusty Baker we're talking about.

 

Murton's OBP is not going to stay that high. who knows how far down it will go. Lawton will probably only regress to .350 worst case.

 

I would assume that Murton's OBP won't stay that high...sure. But, I've wanted to see a young Cub come up from the minors and step up as Murton did and now that he has the Cubs replace him. I just hope that he still keeps getting AB's but if Lawton is batting leadoff I doubt Baker will sit him out against all lefties..it's not the way Dusty has managed.

[UMFan83]

Hairstons OBP in July is .303 or so. I have no reservations about an OF with Murton-Lawton-Burnitz Left to Right

 

Lawton

Garciaparra

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Walker

Barrett

Murton

Pitcher

[UK1679666180]

I think Hairston is out of the starting lineup as well, I don't see Murton starting though.

[CubsWin]

Does anyone have a site that shows splits from before '02? I can't find them on the Cube or Baseball-Reference.

 

Some posters have commented on how Lawton is a terrible 2nd half player, and they are basing that on his splits in '02, '03 and '04. Unless he had terrible 2nd halves in years other than those, I don't know how much that tells us given that Lawton sustained injuries in both the 2nd halves of '02 and '03. His poor performance in the 2nd half last year wasn't as bad as it was in the previous two (he still managed a .350 post-all-star OBP) but it was still a big drop off from his first half performance. However, if we have to throw out the evidence from '02 and '03 due to injuries, one year's splits don't tell us much. Thus, the question I led off this post with. Anyone?

[CubsWin]

Hairstons OBP in July is .303 or so. I have no reservations about an OF with Murton-Lawton-Burnitz Left to Right

 

Lawton

Garciaparra

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Walker

Barrett

Murton

Pitcher

 

Given those three to choose from, wouldn't Burnitz be the better option in CF?

[Jon]

I was very pleased when I heard this trade (well, once "future considerations" became Gerut). It would have been unwise for Hendry to give up some very good prospects for a team that's only a game over .500 and yet he traded a guy with little value to the team for someone who does fill a hole. If Nomar, Wood, and Williamson are going to have the kind of impact that we're hoping for, replacing Hollandsworth with Lawton can be a significant move. If they don't, the team probably wasn't going to be doing much anyways and you lose just a few million dollars.