Cubs real close to getting Dunn (Shot down by Bruce Miles)

[Chocolate Milk]

I like how this thread has gone from Dunn to Pittman's arms.

 

Can he play left?

 

I'm not sure. He can beat up his wife. Does that help?

[David]

I just had the weirdest dream that the Bears were gonna draft Mark Prior in a "supplemental draft" to be a backup QB.. :shock:

 

Yes.. I just woke up. Sue me, it's summer break.

 

Anyways, I guess we'll find out in the next few hours if there's any truth at all to these rumors. I vote no.

 

Still, I think there's a decent chance we'll get Dunn by the deadline.

[rickrolled]

I just had the weirdest dream that the Bears were gonna draft Mark Prior in a "supplemental draft" to be a backup QB.. :shock:

 

Yes.. I just woke up. Sue me, it's summer break.

 

Anyways, I guess we'll find out in the next few hours if there's any truth at all to these rumors. I vote no.

 

Still, I think there's a decent chance we'll get Dunn by the deadline.

 

I had a dream we traded for Dunn and then he slammed into the Wrigley wall in LF and was out for the season. :cry:

[imb]

That isnt Pittman. Pittman is much lighter skinned.

[rickrolled]

So is this a legendary NSBB thread or what?

[GaborBako]

http://images.nfl.com/photos/img7913198.jpg

[Chocolate Milk]

That isnt Pittman. Pittman is much lighter skinned.

 

I think I had this discussion on another board about this picture come to think of it. It was decided it was Jones based on the tats on his arms.

[Neuby]

Wow I can't belive se was banned for posting a rumor . Maybe he does have a source in Cincy and the deal fell through it happens all the time. I really think some back pedaling needs to be done fast. The rumor he did post did have some legs. Bruce Levine should never be allowed to join this board otherwise more than likely after his first post in the transacation forum he would be banned.

[cocacolakid]

Adam Dunn is (in my mind) comparable to Jim Thome. A guy with good plate patience, tremendous power and a high K rate. While Thome hit for higher average in his prime, Dunn can play other positions other than 1b, and also appears to have a bit better speed than Thome.

 

 

Adam Dunn is one of the most overrated players in all of baseball. And while Jim Thome is a homerun only guy who k's a lot, he is a much more productive hitter than Dunn.

 

Take a look inside some of Dunn's career stats, through Wednesday's game...

 

Dunn's career avg with RISP: .209

career avg w/RISP 2 outs: .199

career avg w/bases loaded: .205

 

career avg total: .248 - and he is supposed to be some kind of premier player?

 

number of seasons Dunn has driven in more than 71 runs? Once

 

and his fielding is mediocre at best, he has a .967 career fielding percentage in left, .962 in right.

 

So what does he have to offer? Power.

His walks are an abberration and simply an effect of teams pitching around him with a historically weak Cincy lineup. Dunn has been the only true power threat in Cincy for most of his career.

 

If Dunn's pitch selection is so fantastic, then why does he K 170+ times per season, and hit only .248? He is only selective or smart enough to lay off the pitches way out of the strike zone that he sees regularly as he is pitched around. Anything near the plate he swings at, and most often misses.

 

I'm not making a case for Jim Thome here, as I'm not a big fan of slow, lumbering strikeout hitters who can't field. But since you brought Thome up, let's look at a few of his career stats in comparison to Dunn:

 

Thome career avg w/RISP: .275 (Dunn .209)

avg w/RISP 2 outs: .250 (Dunn .199)

bases loaded: .299 (Dunn .205)

career avg: .281 (Dunn .248)

 

Thome has been a much better clutch hitter than Dunn, and because of that he has been a consistent run producer.

 

Dunn is simply Dave Kingman from the left side of the plate, and gets pitched around more.

 

The last thing the Cubs need is another slow, lumbering, mediocre fielder who only can offer home runs or strikeouts at the plate.

 

We need guys who hit for avg, have speed, play good defense, and have some pop.

 

The Cubs have loaded their roster with home run/strikeout hitters for decades. How many World Series have we won?

 

They, Dusty, Hendry, and the fans, need to stop thinking we are a 1970's American League team managed by Earl Weaver. The teams that win today play the same style of baseball that has consistently won since the beginning of baseball - fundamental baseball. The Cardinals and the White Sox, among others, get runners on, steal or bunt them over, and get them in with a basehit, hit and run, sac fly, or whatever means necessary. The Cubs swing for the fences almost every at bat. Don't let a good offensive run vs. some bad teams lull you into believing we have turned the page. We do not play fundamental baseball, and our low-contact power/strikeout guys can only get hot for a shortwhile and it will be back to a miserable run where we can't score for two weeks. Fundamental baseball does not go into slumps. You draw a walk or get a basehit and move the runner over. It works consistently, and the Cubs need to accept that fact, fire Dusty Baker and his coaches, and hire a staff that will demand intelligent, fundamental baseball.

 

Adam Dunn is not part of the answer to our woes.

[Chocolate Milk]

T.J. was #22 on the Bucs and Pittman is #32, so that doesn't help either.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Adam Dunn is (in my mind) comparable to Jim Thome. A guy with good plate patience, tremendous power and a high K rate. While Thome hit for higher average in his prime, Dunn can play other positions other than 1b, and also appears to have a bit better speed than Thome.

 

 

Adam Dunn is one of the most overrated players in all of baseball. And while Jim Thome is a homerun only guy who k's a lot, he is a much more productive hitter than Dunn.

 

Take a look inside some of Dunn's career stats, through Wednesday's game...

 

Dunn's career avg with RISP: .209

career avg w/RISP 2 outs: .199

career avg w/bases loaded: .205

 

career avg total: .248 - and he is supposed to be some kind of premier player?

 

number of seasons Dunn has driven in more than 71 runs? Once

 

and his fielding is mediocre at best, he has a .967 career fielding percentage in left, .962 in right.

 

So what does he have to offer? Power.

His walks are an abberration and simply an effect of teams pitching around him with a historically weak Cincy lineup. Dunn has been the only true power threat in Cincy for most of his career.

 

If Dunn's pitch selection is so fantastic, then why does he K 170+ times per season, and hit only .248? He is only selective or smart enough to lay off the pitches way out of the strike zone that he sees regularly as he is pitched around. Anything near the plate he swings at, and most often misses.

 

I'm not making a case for Jim Thome here, as I'm not a big fan of slow, lumbering strikeout hitters who can't field. But since you brought Thome up, let's look at a few of his career stats in comparison to Dunn:

 

Thome career avg w/RISP: .275 (Dunn .209)

avg w/RISP 2 outs: .250 (Dunn .199)

bases loaded: .299 (Dunn .205)

career avg: .281 (Dunn .248)

 

Thome has been a much better clutch hitter than Dunn, and because of that he has been a consistent run producer.

 

Dunn is simply Dave Kingman from the left side of the plate, and gets pitched around more.

 

The last thing the Cubs need is another slow, lumbering, mediocre fielder who only can offer home runs or strikeouts at the plate.

 

We need guys who hit for avg, have speed, play good defense, and have some pop.

 

The Cubs have loaded their roster with home run/strikeout hitters for decades. How many World Series have we won?

 

They, Dusty, Hendry, and the fans, need to stop thinking we are a 1970's American League team managed by Earl Weaver. The teams that win today play the same style of baseball that has consistently won since the beginning of baseball - fundamental baseball. The Cardinals and the White Sox, among others, get runners on, steal or bunt them over, and get them in with a basehit, hit and run, sac fly, or whatever means necessary. The Cubs swing for the fences almost every at bat. Don't let a good offensive run vs. some bad teams lull you into believing we have turned the page. We do not play fundamental baseball, and our low-contact power/strikeout guys can only get hot for a shortwhile and it will be back to a miserable run where we can't score for two weeks. Fundamental baseball does not go into slumps. You draw a walk or get a basehit and move the runner over. It works consistently, and the Cubs need to accept that fact, fire Dusty Baker and his coaches, and hire a staff that will demand intelligent, fundamental baseball.

 

Adam Dunn is not part of the answer to our woes.

 

Welcome!

 

Dunn's batting average is only part of the story. He gets on base at a very good clip and slugs for a ton of power. The sooner people realize that OBP and SLG are more important than AVG and K's, the better off we'll be.

[Chris]

Wow I can't belive se was banned for posting a rumor . Maybe he does have a source in Cincy and the deal fell through it happens all the time. I really think some back pedaling needs to be done fast. The rumor he did post did have some legs. Bruce Levine should never be allowed to join this board otherwise more than likely after his first post in the transacation forum he would be banned.

 

Where in the Admin/Mod explanation (earlier in the thread) did it say that he was banned for posting a rumor?

[cocacolakid]

Welcome!

 

Dunn's batting average is only part of the story. He gets on base at a very good clip and slugs for a ton of power. The sooner people realize that OBP and SLG are more important than AVG and K's, the better off we'll be.

 

Thank you for the welcome.

 

OBP and SLG are extremely important, but so are clutch hitting, fundmentals, and defense. Dunn is sorely lacking in all of those area's.

 

Even Burnitz' career numbers are better than Dunn's with RISP, RISP w/2 outs, and bases loaded. Those are the key area's that bring RBI's. Dunn can't cut it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Welcome!

 

Dunn's batting average is only part of the story. He gets on base at a very good clip and slugs for a ton of power. The sooner people realize that OBP and SLG are more important than AVG and K's, the better off we'll be.

 

Thank you for the welcome.

 

OBP and SLG are extremely important, but so are clutch hitting, fundmentals, and defense. Dunn is sorely lacking in all of those area's.

 

Even Burnitz' career numbers are better than Dunn's with RISP, RISP w/2 outs, and bases loaded. Those are the key area's that bring RBI's. Dunn can't cut it.

 

I'm not one that believes in the idea of "clutch" hitting. Numbers in supposed "clutch situations" can vary wildly from year to year, and overall they gravitate towards the player's career numbers. Defnese in LF is not extremely important. When a player of Dunn's offensive capabilities comes along, he more than makes up for any defensive deficiencies he has, especially in LF where there isn't a lot of play.

[Guest]

Welcome!

 

Dunn's batting average is only part of the story. He gets on base at a very good clip and slugs for a ton of power. The sooner people realize that OBP and SLG are more important than AVG and K's, the better off we'll be.

 

Thank you for the welcome.

 

OBP and SLG are extremely important, but so are clutch hitting, fundmentals, and defense. Dunn is sorely lacking in all of those area's.

 

Even Burnitz' career numbers are better than Dunn's with RISP, RISP w/2 outs, and bases loaded. Those are the key area's that bring RBI's. Dunn can't cut it.

If a player's past RISP numbers had anything to do with his future RISP numbers I'd agree that Dunn is overrated. Fortunately for Dunn, there doesn't appear to be much of an ability to hit in "clutch" situations. For further reading on the subject, I refer you to the venerable Tom Ruane.

[XZero771679666304]

Welcome!

 

Dunn's batting average is only part of the story. He gets on base at a very good clip and slugs for a ton of power. The sooner people realize that OBP and SLG are more important than AVG and K's, the better off we'll be.

 

Thank you for the welcome.

 

OBP and SLG are extremely important, but so are clutch hitting, fundmentals, and defense. Dunn is sorely lacking in all of those area's.

 

Even Burnitz' career numbers are better than Dunn's with RISP, RISP w/2 outs, and bases loaded. Those are the key area's that bring RBI's. Dunn can't cut it.

 

I don't believe in clutch hitting either. But I do believe that many players perform poorly in clutch situations because the change their approach due to the pressure of the situation. This usually takes the form of "trying too hard" or "trying not to screw up". IMO, the players who are labeled as "clutch hitters" are simply those who maintain their usual approach, not letting the pressure effect them.

 

It would be nice if every aspect of the game were tangible and quantifiable, but that simply isn't the case.

 

As for Dunn, I think we have bigger fish to fry. His OBP and OPS are nice, but I don't think he is what we need. A bullpen would be nice right about now.

 

I'm not one that believes in the idea of "clutch" hitting. Numbers in supposed "clutch situations" can vary wildly from year to year, and overall they gravitate towards the player's career numbers. Defnese in LF is not extremely important. When a player of Dunn's offensive capabilities comes along, he more than makes up for any defensive deficiencies he has, especially in LF where there isn't a lot of play.

[nick23]

Today was a perfect example of why I don't want to give up the farm to aquire Dunn. Bases loaded 1 out and he can't even make contact. Before all of you jump on me and talk about sample size, I know. It was just one at bat in one game.

[CubsFan4Life]

The only changes I want is some help in the pen, anything else would be icing on the cake, if we can get a really good OF, someone like Dunn, great, but it isn't necessary IMO with Nomar coming back our offense is just fine.

[Neuby]

Wow I can't belive se was banned for posting a rumor . Maybe he does have a source in Cincy and the deal fell through it happens all the time. I really think some back pedaling needs to be done fast. The rumor he did post did have some legs. Bruce Levine should never be allowed to join this board otherwise more than likely after his first post in the transacation forum he would be banned.

 

Where in the Admin/Mod explanation (earlier in the thread) did it say that he was banned for posting a rumor?

 

Unless I missed a post the explanation was that he's a troll but they can't tell us why? Sure his post looked fishy but the rumor he heard from his source was pretty much on considering Reds Announcers picked it up in Cinci. If he was trolling he would have pulled it out it of thin air. I noticed a lot of rolling of the eyes of because he has a source , not to call out Hoops but he has some sources and is well respected on the board. Didn't Vance have a source in Houston. To say SE wasn't banned for posting a rumor only hours after posting it seems a little bit of a stretch.

[Adebisi]

Fine, Adam DUnn can get on base, but if he's batting 5th, 6th, or 7th, who the hell is going to drive him in?

[TruffleShuffle]

Hey, is anyone listening to ESPN 1640 in State College, Pennsylvania? They're reporting that the Reds have traded Dunn to the Cubs for Corey Patterson, Mike Harkey and a peanut butter & jelly sandwich!

[E.J.]

Hey, is anyone listening to ESPN 1640 in State College, Pennsylvania? They're reporting that the Reds have traded Dunn to the Cubs for Corey Patterson, Mike Harkey and a peanut butter & jelly sandwich!

 

I read the first part and got really excited. Bastard.

[Chris]

To say SE wasn't banned for posting a rumor only hours after posting it seems a little bit of a stretch.

 

So the Admins/Mods were/are lying? Trust me, they had their reasons.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hey, is anyone listening to ESPN 1640 in State College, Pennsylvania? They're reporting that the Reds have traded Dunn to the Cubs for Corey Patterson, Mike Harkey and a peanut butter & jelly sandwich!

 

I read the first part and got really excited. Bastard.

 

Yeah, because when Chicago and Cincinnati news breaks, the first place you'll hear it is on the radio in State College, PA. :lol:

 

By the way, that same radio station is reporting that the peanut butter in the aforementioned sandwich was not crunchy-style, and the Jelly is generic store-brand rather than Smuckers. Since this information came to light, the Reds have since backed out of the deal.

[E.J.]

Hey, is anyone listening to ESPN 1640 in State College, Pennsylvania? They're reporting that the Reds have traded Dunn to the Cubs for Corey Patterson, Mike Harkey and a peanut butter & jelly sandwich!

 

I read the first part and got really excited. Bastard.

 

Yeah, because when Chicago and Cincinnati news breaks, the first place you'll hear it is on the radio in State College, PA. :lol:

 

By the way, that same radio station is reporting that the peanut butter in the aforementioned sandwich was not crunchy-style, and the Jelly is generic store-brand rather than Smuckers. Since this information came to light, the Reds have since backed out of the deal.

 

I didn't even read that part. I just read ESPN 1640, Corey Patterson, and traded Dunn. I should stop skimming. It's gotten me in trouble twice today. :D