Raffy not a Hall of Famer

[snoodmonger]

According to Skip Bayless. Part of his argument is based on number of All-Star appearances and MVP balloting, which strikes me as incredibly lame.

 

He also says Sosa shouldn't be in because he wasn't clutch.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050715

[1908]

According to Skip Bayless. Part of his argument is based on number of All-Star appearances and MVP balloting, which strikes me as incredibly lame.

 

He also says Sosa shouldn't be in because he wasn't clutch.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050715

Like I needed another reason to dismiss everything Skip Bayless writes. There's no way 3,000+ hits and 500+ homers won't get him into the HOF.

[Jon]

I believe the "Riff Raff" title they put under his name says enough.

[Mark Priors Calves]

This is just Skip trying to get some notice by taking an unconventional stance on a story in the news.

 

I really don't have any feelings about Palmiero in the Hall of Fame but this snipet made me roll my eyes.

 

Forgive me, but I want my Hall of Fame to admit only larger-than-life players. Make that Gary Coopers-town. If you have to think twice about it …

 

Wade Boggs? Yes! Ryne Sandberg? Uh, well …

 

 

Sandberg belongs in the Hall of Very Good. Yet Boggs and Sandberg will both be inducted into the Hall of Fame on July 31.

 

[sonicdethmonkey0]

skip bayless is an idiot whose columns deliberately fly in the face of popular opinion to get a rise out of people. this article is a complete joke.

[rocket]

so dawson belongs in the hall, but raffy doesn't?

 

.279/.323/.482 vs. .289/.371/.516

[erik316wttn]

skip bayless is an idiot whose columns deliberately fly in the face of popular opinion to get a rise out of people. this article is a complete joke.

 

Exactly.

 

Of course, Skip Bayless lost all crediblity with me 10+ years ago when, writing an article before the Cowboys/Packers NFC Championship game, he called Reggie White "Betty" for some reason. I think it was because he wasn't aggressive enough or some crap like that.

 

Bayless is a punk, and nothing would make me happier than having one of the athletes he's spoken ill of corner him in the locker room and.... well, use your imagination.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bayless is a sorry excuse for a journalist. There's no way you can look at Palmeiro and Sosa's numbers and not conclude they are HOFers. It's ridiculous to assume other wise.

 

How Bayless has kept a job this long is beyond me. He's been run out of Dallas and Chicago.

[TB_11]

skip bayless is an idiot whose columns deliberately fly in the face of popular opinion to get a rise out of people. this article is a complete joke.

 

Couldn't have said it better. He's a sports radio personality who gets paid to write.

[ZZ Thorn]

Growing up I loved to read Bernie Lincicome's hilarous columns in the Tribune. Then he went to Denver and they brought in Skip Bayless.

 

I hate Skip Bayless. I hate his name, I hate what he writes, I hate the way he talks, I hate his stupid face with those grotesque permanently arched eyebrows. See, I avoid superficial attacks like that last one, but I really, really hate Skip Bayless. And he deserves it.

[rocket]

I think we found one issue that everyone at NSBB can unite on.

[Mizzou]

Skip Bayless? When did people start caring what he had to say?

[RynoRules]

I think we found one issue that everyone at NSBB can unite on.

 

Count me in.

 

As an attorney, I am held to professional standards/ethics, and if I fail to adhere to them, my peers are expected to hold me accountable.

 

Shouldn't journalists do the same? Don't they have as great a responsibility as lawyers do? Where are Bayless' peers?

[biittner77]

so dawson belongs in the hall, but raffy doesn't?

 

.279/.323/.482 vs. .289/.371/.516

 

The argument for Dawson as HOF material

 

1. only person with 300 HRs and 300 Stolen bases that's not in the HOF or named Barry Bonds. The other 2 being Mays and Bobby Bonds- that's pretty select company.

 

2. injuries cut his career short

 

He's borderline but his numbers are pretty comparable to Tony Perez (if memory serves) minus the WS rings.

[rocket]

so dawson belongs in the hall, but raffy doesn't?

 

.279/.323/.482 vs. .289/.371/.516

 

The argument for Dawson as HOF material

 

1. only person with 300 HRs and 300 Stolen bases that's not in the HOF or named Barry Bonds. The other 2 being Mays and Bobby Bonds- that's pretty select company.

 

2. injuries cut his career short

 

He's borderline but his numbers are pretty comparable to Tony Perez (if memory serves) minus the WS rings.

 

I wasn't saying that Dawson doesn't belong, he has a case. But to write that Dawson does belong in the Hall in the same article where you say Raffy doesn't is ridiculous.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

so dawson belongs in the hall, but raffy doesn't?

 

.279/.323/.482 vs. .289/.371/.516

 

The argument for Dawson as HOF material

 

1. only person with 300 HRs and 300 Stolen bases that's not in the HOF or named Barry Bonds. The other 2 being Mays and Bobby Bonds- that's pretty select company.

 

2. injuries cut his career short

 

He's borderline but his numbers are pretty comparable to Tony Perez (if memory serves) minus the WS rings.

 

I wasn't saying that Dawson doesn't belong, he has a case. But to write that Dawson does belong in the Hall in the same article where you say Raffy doesn't is ridiculous.

 

I'm with Rocket on this one. Dawson is border-line. A case could be made either way. I love Andre and on sentimentality alone, I wish he'd be inducted, but I can also see why he's been denied thus far. On the other hand, Palmeiro is a no doubter. 500 HR or 3000 has always been a lock and he has both. He may never have been great, but he's been consistently good for a very long time and that should get him in. To say he doesn't belong is pure lunancy.

[biittner77]

so dawson belongs in the hall, but raffy doesn't?

 

.279/.323/.482 vs. .289/.371/.516

 

The argument for Dawson as HOF material

 

1. only person with 300 HRs and 300 Stolen bases that's not in the HOF or named Barry Bonds. The other 2 being Mays and Bobby Bonds- that's pretty select company.

 

2. injuries cut his career short

 

He's borderline but his numbers are pretty comparable to Tony Perez (if memory serves) minus the WS rings.

 

I wasn't saying that Dawson doesn't belong, he has a case. But to write that Dawson does belong in the Hall in the same article where you say Raffy doesn't is ridiculous.

 

I didn't think that you thought Dawson didn't belong. I was just poiinting out how thin the argument is for Dawson and the irony that Bayless is saying the HOF is watered down and is using Dawson an example.

 

I can't envision a time when 3,000 hits doesn't get a player into the HOVG.

[Coach C]

3000+ Hits and (probably at least) 600 HRs = H.O.F in my opinion.

 

First base is a tough postion to be an All-Star at because there are so many good ones..

 

Bayless is #2 on my list of Sports personalities I despise.. right behind Collinsworth.

[gus_dog]

According to Skip Bayless. Part of his argument is based on number of All-Star appearances and MVP balloting, which strikes me as incredibly lame.

 

He also says Sosa shouldn't be in because he wasn't clutch.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050715

Like I needed another reason to dismiss everything Skip Bayless writes. There's no way 3,000+ hits and 500+ homers won't get him into the HOF.

 

I agree. Maybe not on the first ballot, but definitely, he's in.

[Roast]

According to Skip Bayless. Part of his argument is based on number of All-Star appearances and MVP balloting, which strikes me as incredibly lame.

 

He also says Sosa shouldn't be in because he wasn't clutch.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050715

Like I needed another reason to dismiss everything Skip Bayless writes. There's no way 3,000+ hits and 500+ homers won't get him into the HOF.

 

I agree. Maybe not on the first ballot, but definitely, he's in.

 

How is he not a first balloter. When you are grouped with Hank Aaron, Eddie Murray, and Willie Mays you are a first ballot hall of famer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If he had just 3000 hits, maybe not first ballot guy. If he had just 500 HRs, maybe not a first ballot guy. You get both of those, you are a no doubt first ballot guy.

[gus_dog]

Maybe not on the first ballot, but definitely, he's in.

[Soul]

Raffy's in.

[XZero771679666304]

Raffy has to be in. And I can't believe some people think Raffy was on the roids. The guy has been the same size his whole career.

 

3000 hits and 500 homers? How is this even a debate?

[JeffH]

Palmeiro's a no-doubt HOFer.

 

Andre Dawson? We can begin talking about him after the extremely underrated and underappreciated Tim Raines is inducted.