More hatred for Morgan

[ZMovieman]

Anyone see the link on ESPN.com in which Morgan proclaims that Pujols, not Lee, is his MVP this season? I don't have access to Insider so I can't read it, but he can't be serious. Cubs wouldn't even be in the position they are now were it not for Lee. We would have been selling long ago. Seriously, how does he even have an audience that listens to him?

 

P.S. - Pujols is still a better choice than Kruk's crazy selection of Counsell a few weeks back.

[ltb]

he says pujols deserves it because the cards are in first.

 

he also goes on to say livan hernandez is the nl cy young winner because wins are the most important stat and era is the least important.

 

joe morgan sucks.

[imb]

Man he is a moron.

 

To me, wins are the most important pitching stat, and then I factor in how those wins have contributed to team success. ERA is the least important stat, in my judgment.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Man he is a moron.

 

To me, wins are the most important pitching stat, and then I factor in how those wins have contributed to team success. ERA is the least important stat, in my judgment.

 

You can't make this stuff up.

[sherwood921]

Man he is a moron.

 

To me, wins are the most important pitching stat, and then I factor in how those wins have contributed to team success. ERA is the least important stat, in my judgment.

 

You can't make this stuff up.

 

While that statement is ridiculous, and wins are the least important stat IMO...it would be easy to make an argument about Livan simply because he is such a horse. I'd love to have him in our rotation because it seems like he gets the ball and goes 7+ innings every game. He is extremely consistant and a pretty darn good pitcher too. That said...he wouldn't be my choice, but I would be able to listen to that argument supporting Livan.

[Outshined_One]

Was A-Rod his MVP choice last season?

[TB_11]

::Points to sig::

[cubfan75]

Who is Tommy Craggs? I was just wondering since his comment is spot on.

[jiml60]

It's from this article: http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2005-07-06/news/feature_1.html

 

Good stuff...in a Joe Morgan is an idiot way.

[CubinNY]

7/9/05

 

Morgan and McCarver two peas in a pod.

 

This just said during the Bos-Bal game:

 

On base percentage is not important unless you can run.

 

Oh my Len.

[rocket]

Hahahaha, Tim McCarver makes more money than I ever will to analyze baseball incorrectly.

[treebird]

i own a book written by tim mccarver : (

[Fred Hornkohl]

i own a book written by tim mccarver : (

 

Shame all over you.

[chicubs]

I have access to inside, but I still didnt read it. I dont want to waste those minutes of my life reading his drivel. I would never get those minutes back.

[stitchface]

then I factor in how those wins have contributed to team success.

 

I can't believe you are all ignoring this fabulous additional portion of the quote. He factors in how wins have contributed to the team's success. Clearly some wins factor in to a team's success more than others. If a pitcher wins on a tuesday, its not nearly as important as a sunday win because of the upcoming flight. To build team morale, a key component of scoring runs, you need a pitcher to win more on sundays and thursdays because of the subsequent run manufacturing that follows in the next pitcher's start. Obviously, if a win occurs without any walks by the pitcher's team's hitters, this is beneficial because stolen bases are critical to generating more home runs due to the pitcher's lack of focus on the hitter. Thus, Scott Posednik should be MVP since Jon Garland's wins are directly attirbutable to Scott's stolen bases and Garland's wins on Wednesdays have straigtened out Freddy Garcia and Contreras.

 

Now send me a check for $200,000.

[Guest]

i own a book written by tim mccarver : (

Baseball for Brain Surgeons? I also have that one. Not a terrible read, actually, once you take into account that McCarver's an idiot.

[UK1679666180]

If you want to read a book like that, Keith Hernandez and his great head of hair has a book called Pure Baseball.

 

Much better than the ones written "by" McCarver and Morgan.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've said it before, and yet I feel compelled to say it in nearly every thread that deals with Joe Morgan.

 

Just because you were blessed with the talent to play baseball at an all-star level, does not necessarily mean you were blessed with the intellect to intelligently comment on it.

[treebird]

i own a book written by tim mccarver : (

Baseball for Brain Surgeons? I also have that one. Not a terrible read, actually, once you take into account that McCarver's an idiot.

 

That's the book. There are some fun little stories and stuff in it if you wade through the worthless crap. I got it and totally loved it until I was smart at baseball.

[Zaphkiel]

That linked article was the best article on Joe Morgan EVER. I strongly recommend everyone who didn't read the whole thing to go back and do so. I laughed out loud a few times, especially at the part about Joe Buck needing to be neutered.

[biittner77]

That linked article was the best article on Joe Morgan EVER. I strongly recommend everyone who didn't read the whole thing to go back and do so. I laughed out loud a few times, especially at the part about Joe Buck needing to be neutered.

 

After reading that article I almost felt sorry for Morgan. It must be very difficult to have every belief you've ever held about baseball proven wrong. He reminds me of the Catholic Church's condemnation of Galileo. The Church didn't think they could admit that they were wrong because they thought people would stop believing them. What they didn't realize was that denying the truth only drove people away faster. The Church survived anyway. Even though it wasn't held in the same prestige there were still lots of followers.

 

It the same thing with the sabr debate. Statistics will never be able to replace human judgement. Statistically, Hawkins should have been an effective closer. However, in the 9th inning he looked nervous. Close up shots showed that his hands were shaking. He looked scared.

 

What Joe Morgan is too dumb to realize is that he shouldn't be threatened by stats. They are part of the game. He doesn't mind using batting average as a sign that a player is good. It's silly to ignore newer stats. Morgan, like most people, fears the unknown.

[bigredmachine1975]

he says pujols deserves it because the cards are in first.

 

he also goes on to say livan hernandez is the nl cy young winner because wins are the most important stat and era is the least important.

 

joe morgan sucks.

 

First off, yes, if the vote was today, I would pick Livan Hernandez for CY Young. Would you rather have 5 Livan Hernandez's, throwing 250 innings and winning 20 games a year, or 5 other guys with great ERA's who just can't win? I think it's pretty obvious.

 

And yes, in my chat I did pick Albert Pujols for the first half NL MVP, the Cardinals have the most wins in the Major Leagues because of him. Actually, I picked Albert Pujols number one, Jim Edmonds number two (because of his defense as much as because of his offense) and Derrek Lee number three.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, put Pujols on the Cubs, and they have 55 wins, put Lee on the Cardinals and they're a .500 team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

he says pujols deserves it because the cards are in first.

 

he also goes on to say livan hernandez is the nl cy young winner because wins are the most important stat and era is the least important.

 

joe morgan sucks.

 

First off, yes, if the vote was today, I would pick Livan Hernandez for CY Young. Would you rather have 5 Livan Hernandez's, throwing 250 innings and winning 20 games a year, or 5 other guys with great ERA's who just can't win? I think it's pretty obvious.

 

And yes, in my chat I did pick Albert Pujols for the first half NL MVP, the Cardinals have the most wins in the Major Leagues because of him. Actually, I picked Albert Pujols number one, Jim Edmonds number two (because of his defense as much as because of his offense) and Derrek Lee number three.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, put Pujols on the Cubs, and they have 55 wins, put Lee on the Cardinals and they're a .500 team.

 

:-#

[1908]

First off, yes, if the vote was today, I would pick Livan Hernandez for CY Young. Would you rather have 5 Livan Hernandez's, throwing 250 innings and winning 20 games a year, or 5 other guys with great ERA's who just can't win? I think it's pretty obvious.

 

And yes, in my chat I did pick Albert Pujols for the first half NL MVP, the Cardinals have the most wins in the Major Leagues because of him. Actually, I picked Albert Pujols number one, Jim Edmonds number two (because of his defense as much as because of his offense) and Derrek Lee number three.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, put Pujols on the Cubs, and they have 55 wins, put Lee on the Cardinals and they're a .500 team.

That's a pretty good Morgan impersonation, IMB. But don't you think your writing is a wee too articulate?

[imb]

Well that's no fun.