Patterson and Dubois sent to AAA

[ZZ Thorn]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

Why don't you see the elite college baseball coaches ever mentioned as possible candidates for MLB managers? You see it on occasion in Football and Basketball I was just wondering why no in baseball, or do some of them filter up through the minor league ranks? Just curious as to what others think.

 

Every friggin negative thread turns into a Dusty Bust-a-thon. Christ. I thought we were talking about CP, Doobs and who will play CF for us? I sure don't want Hairston in there full time.

[Roast]

 

I know you're a Dusty Buster. A typical feeling of Dusty Buster would be a crazy notion that his being fired is just around the corner. He is not. I'll bet you cold hard cash if you want: If you bet me $20 that he'll get fired in the next week I'll give you 20 to 1 odds that he doesn't - if he does that's $400 for you. But if you don't pay me when you lose, Tim gets to ban you.

 

 

The team "dusty buster" is really really annoying. I dont really think its that crazy of a notion that baker is going to be fired soon. Its probably pretty crazy to think he will be today, but soon, no, not that crazy.

[Roast]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

Why don't you see the elite college baseball coaches ever mentioned as possible candidates for MLB managers? You see it on occasion in Football and Basketball I was just wondering why no in baseball, or do some of them filter up through the minor league ranks? Just curious as to what others think.

 

Every friggin negative thread turns into a Dusty Bust-a-thon. Christ. I thought we were talking about CP, Doobs and who will play CF for us? I sure don't want Hairston in there full time.

 

Dusty bust a thon? Get off your dusty-loving high horse. How does his post have ANYTHING to do with busting dusty.

 

Besides, I think dusty is quite realevent in this thread. We called up two minor leaguers, dusty has a history with young guys. Its a logical jump.

[badgercub]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

Why don't you see the elite college baseball coaches ever mentioned as possible candidates for MLB managers? You see it on occasion in Football and Basketball I was just wondering why no in baseball, or do some of them filter up through the minor league ranks? Just curious as to what others think.

 

Every friggin negative thread turns into a Dusty Bust-a-thon. Christ. I thought we were talking about CP, Doobs and who will play CF for us? I sure don't want Hairston in there full time.

 

Do you have an opinion on my question? no? Then don't respond. We know you are a Dusty apologist why do you feel the need to include it in every response you make? I simply asked the question as to why you never see elite college baseball coaches offered jobs as MLB managers.

[Chocolate Milk]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

Why don't you see the elite college baseball coaches ever mentioned as possible candidates for MLB managers? You see it on occasion in Football and Basketball I was just wondering why no in baseball, or do some of them filter up through the minor league ranks? Just curious as to what others think.

 

Every friggin negative thread turns into a Dusty Bust-a-thon. Christ. I thought we were talking about CP, Doobs and who will play CF for us? I sure don't want Hairston in there full time.

 

Do you have an opinion on my question? no? Then don't respond. We know you are a Dusty apologist why do you feel the need to include it in every response you make? I simply asked the question as to why you never see elite college baseball coaches offered jobs as MLB managers.

 

I thought it was a very good question.

[CubinNY]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

 

I thought it was a very good question.

 

I think it has a lot to do with the same reasons why Morgan doesn't particularly think Sandberg should be in the HOF. MLB is the ultimate club, even more so than Augusta National CC. They like to keep it that way. That's why you see re-tread managers over and over.

[Derwood]

While on the subject of Baker's demise, I posed this question that was buried in another thread, maybe it will get more response here.

 

Why don't you see the elite college baseball coaches ever mentioned as possible candidates for MLB managers? You see it on occasion in Football and Basketball I was just wondering why no in baseball, or do some of them filter up through the minor league ranks? Just curious as to what others think.

 

Every friggin negative thread turns into a Dusty Bust-a-thon. Christ. I thought we were talking about CP, Doobs and who will play CF for us? I sure don't want Hairston in there full time.

 

Do you have an opinion on my question? no? Then don't respond. We know you are a Dusty apologist why do you feel the need to include it in every response you make? I simply asked the question as to why you never see elite college baseball coaches offered jobs as MLB managers.

 

I thought it was a very good question.

 

Probably because just about every major league manager I can think of is a former major league player, while most of the college baseball coaches probably aren't.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

[Derwood]

If Murton gets platooned against lefties only, I'm bringing a sniper rifle to the next Cubs home series with a convenient view of the home dugout.

 

As Brenley said last night, "Prospects aren't called up to the majors because they platooned at the lower levels. They are called up because they have proven they can hit righties and lefties effectively."

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

Welcome aboard! Diamond Jaxx fan?

[badgercub]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

 

That goes along with several different theories I have thought of. I asked the question because I had two really phenomenal coaches in highschool that had both played minor league ball (both made it to AAA). They were great coaches and both went on to coach college first as assistants and now one of them is the head coach at UIC. Just thought they were phenomenal coaches who know the game extremely well.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Murton gets platooned against lefties only, I'm bringing a sniper rifle to the next Cubs home series with a convenient view of the home dugout.

 

As Brenley said last night, "Prospects aren't called up to the majors because they platooned at the lower levels. They are called up because they have proven they can hit righties and lefties effectively."

 

OT, but is anyone else surprised at how much Brenly has seemed to be the voice of reason in terms of playing youth?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was rolling into Atlanta on the night Bay-Lo was canned. Seems that it happened around 3 p.m. local time.

 

Interesting. I know its pretty much unfoudned, But i have a real strange feeling bakers days here are officially over.

 

Dusty Busters have been saying that since last fall.... I'm sure it's right around the corner. :roll:

 

Oh grow up.

 

First of all, If dusty busters is a term used to describe people who are sick of the worst lineups immaginable and horrid in game moves, then sure, I'm a dusty buster.

 

Secondly, how can you disagree that him being canned is right aroudn the corner, Even if it doesnt come today or tomorrow like i feel, Its gonna come soon.

 

I know you're a Dusty Buster. A typical feeling of Dusty Buster would be a crazy notion that his being fired is just around the corner. He is not. I'll bet you cold hard cash if you want: If you bet me $20 that he'll get fired in the next week I'll give you 20 to 1 odds that he doesn't - if he does that's $400 for you. But if you don't pay me when you lose, Tim gets to ban you.

 

He won't draw the heat for losing - that's going to CP, Doobs, the injuries and thus far underperforming pitching.

 

Weren't you asked by the mods to stop using that term?

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

Welcome aboard! Diamond Jaxx fan?

 

 

Actually a Cubs fan since the early 80's. Jackson is about 2 1/2 to 3 hours from me although it isnt that bad a drive.

 

Thanks for the welcome and glad to be here.

[hawkeyecub]

If Murton gets platooned against lefties only, I'm bringing a sniper rifle to the next Cubs home series with a convenient view of the home dugout.

 

As Brenley said last night, "Prospects aren't called up to the majors because they platooned at the lower levels. They are called up because they have proven they can hit righties and lefties effectively."

 

OT, but is anyone else surprised at how much Brenly has seemed to be the voice of reason in terms of playing youth?

 

I am. Although his analysis hasn't been as good as I thought it would be, some of his ideas and opinions have pleasently surprised me.

I expected him to be a pure company man and defend Dusty for basically everything that happened. He's consistently criticized the Cubs for not being patient enough at the plate instead of just the "well you've gotta be agressive" that I expected from him.

 

His thoughts on young players have been surprising and refreshing.

[LuckyPup]

Also keep in mind his salary is already in the Trib's budget so to speak-(Broadcasting)Could be an interesting option-slide Brenly in the dugout and give Johnny B his walking papers

[Wheelimus]

Step 1) Fire Dusty Baker, re-hire Steve Stone, move Brenly to manage for the rest of the season

 

Step 2) ?

 

Step 3) WORLD SERIES

 

:lol:

 

 

If Murton gets platooned against lefties only, I'm bringing a sniper rifle to the next Cubs home series with a convenient view of the home dugout.

 

As Brenley said last night, "Prospects aren't called up to the majors because they platooned at the lower levels. They are called up because they have proven they can hit righties and lefties effectively."

 

OT, but is anyone else surprised at how much Brenly has seemed to be the voice of reason in terms of playing youth?

[treebird]

I was rolling into Atlanta on the night Bay-Lo was canned. Seems that it happened around 3 p.m. local time.

 

Interesting. I know its pretty much unfoudned, But i have a real strange feeling bakers days here are officially over.

 

Dusty Busters have been saying that since last fall.... I'm sure it's right around the corner. :roll:

 

Oh grow up.

 

First of all, If dusty busters is a term used to describe people who are sick of the worst lineups immaginable and horrid in game moves, then sure, I'm a dusty buster.

 

Secondly, how can you disagree that him being canned is right aroudn the corner, Even if it doesnt come today or tomorrow like i feel, Its gonna come soon.

 

I know you're a Dusty Buster. A typical feeling of Dusty Buster would be a crazy notion that his being fired is just around the corner. He is not. I'll bet you cold hard cash if you want: If you bet me $20 that he'll get fired in the next week I'll give you 20 to 1 odds that he doesn't - if he does that's $400 for you. But if you don't pay me when you lose, Tim gets to ban you.

 

He won't draw the heat for losing - that's going to CP, Doobs, the injuries and thus far underperforming pitching.

 

Weren't you asked by the mods to stop using that term?

 

I read through the last six pages thinking that, and when I finally get to the I see that Vance has stolen my thunder by beating me to the punch.

[treebird]

Step 1) Fire Dusty Baker, re-hire Steve Stone, move Brenly to manage for the rest of the season

 

Step 2) ??????????????

 

Step 3) WORLD SERIES

 

I feel that the question mark needs to be bigger.

[YearofDaCubs]

If Murton gets platooned against lefties only, I'm bringing a sniper rifle to the next Cubs home series with a convenient view of the home dugout.

 

As Brenley said last night, "Prospects aren't called up to the majors because they platooned at the lower levels. They are called up because they have proven they can hit righties and lefties effectively."

 

OT, but is anyone else surprised at how much Brenly has seemed to be the voice of reason in terms of playing youth?

 

I am. Although his analysis hasn't been as good as I thought it would be, some of his ideas and opinions have pleasently surprised me.

I expected him to be a pure company man and defend Dusty for basically everything that happened. He's consistently criticized the Cubs for not being patient enough at the plate instead of just the "well you've gotta be agressive" that I expected from him.

 

His thoughts on young players have been surprising and refreshing.

He seems like a straight-up honest guy. I enjoyed listening to him when he was on the Score.

[Cubzfan64]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

 

That goes along with several different theories I have thought of. I asked the question because I had two really phenomenal coaches in highschool that had both played minor league ball (both made it to AAA). They were great coaches and both went on to coach college first as assistants and now one of them is the head coach at UIC. Just thought they were phenomenal coaches who know the game extremely well.

 

The things you are both saying here also fall along the lines of scouting and player development - it's all pretty much a "fraternity" of ex players that handle those things (as well as being batting and pitching coaches). Off topic a little, but it always interested me how the "moneyball" theories of baseball worked their way into the sport. Those theories were certainly revolutionary and there are still lots of ex players/scouts etc... who slam them any chance they can get.

[spinefixer]

Last night during the I-Cubs radio broadcast, I-Cubs GM Sam Bernabe said that the club will probably have a couple of simulated games over the next few days to make up for the lost playing time in NO. I wonder if CPatt and Dubois will be here for that or are they for sure going straight to Mesa?

 

It sucks to have to have those guys back here, but I'll sure enjoy watching them! (provided they aren't traded before next Thursday)

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

 

That goes along with several different theories I have thought of. I asked the question because I had two really phenomenal coaches in highschool that had both played minor league ball (both made it to AAA). They were great coaches and both went on to coach college first as assistants and now one of them is the head coach at UIC. Just thought they were phenomenal coaches who know the game extremely well.

 

The things you are both saying here also fall along the lines of scouting and player development - it's all pretty much a "fraternity" of ex players that handle those things (as well as being batting and pitching coaches). Off topic a little, but it always interested me how the "moneyball" theories of baseball worked their way into the sport. Those theories were certainly revolutionary and there are still lots of ex players/scouts etc... who slam them any chance they can get.

 

OT in a way here but Earl Weaver, (now there was a skipper), was "Moneyball" before most of the current young bright lights were out of diapers. Beane isn't yet IMO. The quote that comes to mind here is one by Sir Winston Churchill, "The problem most people have is that they will trip over the root of truth, fall down, get back up and dust themselves off and continue on thier journey."

 

Earl Weaver went to war for his players and kicked them in the behind when they didn't do what they were supposed to. He was supported by a great team in Baltimore, then, that also gave him the tools to get the job done.

 

The question we should really be asking is Has Baker been handed the tools to get the job done. If you say yes then he needs to go. If you say no then Baker needs to stay and the front office needs to go.

 

My views anyway.

[Lefty]

Long time lerker, first time poster.

 

The reason you dont see college coaches making the move to the Majors is the ingrained idea that if you didnt play here, you know less about the game than I do; so say the players. There are exceptions to the rule on both sides but the view is if you were so good why did you coach in college?

 

It also trickles down from the college ranks to those of us in high school who get much the same response from colleges. Just one of those things that makes baseball in it's own way a little mafisio.

 

Other factors play a part in that professional baseball is quite a bit different than the college experience and really two different approaches are needed to be sucessful. I could go on for quite a while but it all boils down to the first one I stated.

 

My two cents anyway.

 

That goes along with several different theories I have thought of. I asked the question because I had two really phenomenal coaches in highschool that had both played minor league ball (both made it to AAA). They were great coaches and both went on to coach college first as assistants and now one of them is the head coach at UIC. Just thought they were phenomenal coaches who know the game extremely well.

 

The things you are both saying here also fall along the lines of scouting and player development - it's all pretty much a "fraternity" of ex players that handle those things (as well as being batting and pitching coaches). Off topic a little, but it always interested me how the "moneyball" theories of baseball worked their way into the sport. Those theories were certainly revolutionary and there are still lots of ex players/scouts etc... who slam them any chance they can get.

 

OT in a way here but Earl Weaver, (now there was a skipper), was "Moneyball" before most of the current young bright lights were out of diapers. Beane isn't yet IMO. The quote that comes to mind here is one by Sir Winston Churchill, "The problem most people have is that they will trip over the root of truth, fall down, get back up and dust themselves off and continue on thier journey."

 

Earl Weaver went to war for his players and kicked them in the behind when they didn't do what they were supposed to. He was supported by a great team in Baltimore, then, that also gave him the tools to get the job done.

 

The question we should really be asking is Has Baker been handed the tools to get the job done. If you say yes then he needs to go. If you say no then Baker needs to stay and the front office needs to go.

 

My views anyway.

 

Hendry and Baker both have to go. But their replacements have to be on the same modern page. Tough task.

[10man]

The question we should really be asking is Has Baker been handed the tools to get the job done. If you say yes then he needs to go. If you say no then Baker needs to stay and the front office needs to go.

Baker has been given the tools to get it done in the past two years, but unfortunately they were not the tools that he wanted. Ergo he has NOT used them so he has NOT gotten it done.