Cubs (TBD) vs Mets (McLean/Manaea): 6/24/26, 12:10pm/6:10pm

[PeanutPunch33]

2 minutes ago, mul21 said:

How many "superstars" are on this list? I'll give you 5 in Ortiz, Bumgarner, Strasburg, Seager, and Freeman and 2 of them are pitchers.

You are looking at it from the lens of what their careers ended up materializing as.  Whereas in 2022, Jeremy Pena was very much a budding superstar.  Perez was in his year too.  Same with Sandoval and Renteria.  Zobrist wasn't a super star but he was very much known as being a really good hitter and clutch.  

[PeanutPunch33]

2 minutes ago, mul21 said:

I mean, at some point you have to get guys to eat innings and you have finite resources.  Even in a case like this, the delta between the pitcher you get vs the dregs you'd otherwise send out there is greater than whatever bat you get vs the probably already solid one you replace.

True.  But we are also comparing the offense when it's at arguably it's highest point, to a rotation that is missing basically every starting pitcher.  They are getting like 3 starters back in the next month and another 2 a few weeks after that.  I still think it's a worthwhile move to get a starting pitcher, it just comes down to who it is.  I'll take Joe Ryan every day of the week.  I could get on board with Detmers.  But after that, the names aren't particularly intriguing.

[Rcal10]

5 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

Even if the pitching candidates that are projected to be available are dog horsefeathers and the hitting candidates projected to be available might be as good as we've seen in 10 years?  

According to who? I mean you keep mentioning Alvarez and Abrams. But I don’t understand why either would be available. And as far as non dog horsefeathers pitching candidates there is Peralta and Skubal. And if you want someone beyond this year there is Ryan, Soriano, Detmers, Webb, and Alcantara to name several. You have created a narrative that hitters are available and pitchers are not. And truthfully none of knows who is actually available. 

[Derwood]

Seiya back in RF, Shaw in LF, Ramirez at DH, Bregman at 3B, Kelly at C, Happ has the game off

[PeanutPunch33]

6 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

According to who? I mean you keep mentioning Alvarez and Abrams. But I don’t understand why either would be available. And as far as non dog horsefeathers pitching candidates there is Peralta and Skubal. And if you want someone beyond this year there is Ryan, Soriano, Detmers, Webb, and Alcantara to name several. You have created a narrative that hitters are available and pitchers are not. And truthfully none of knows who is actually available. 

Both of the top guys will require an extension (Skubal and Ryan).  I'd be all for it if that happens.  Any major move would be welcome, as far as I'm concerned.  But if the left handed version of Aaron Judge becomes available it would change my perspective, regardless of how bad the need for pitching gets.  Those guys don't come around often.  

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[squally1313]

4 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

True.  But we are also comparing the offense when it's at arguably it's highest point, to a rotation that is missing basically every starting pitcher.  They are getting like 3 starters back in the next month and another 2 a few weeks after that.  I still think it's a worthwhile move to get a starting pitcher, it just comes down to who it is.  I'll take Joe Ryan every day of the week.  I could get on board with Detmers.  But after that, the names aren't particularly intriguing.

To muls earlier point, where is this hitter going? There’s no weak spot in the lineup that isn’t producing either defensively, offensively, or both. At best you’d be looking at what, bumping Shaw back to the first bench guy and replacing him with Alvarez? Is going from league average hitter to elite hitter really that much bigger of a gap than going from a bad pitcher to even just a league average one, even before you consider the gulf in talent that it would take to get Alvarez vs a competent #3 starter?

im not sure what you’re looking at on these 5 starters coming back in the next two months. I’m hoping Boyd hits the ground running. Taillon was cooked before he got hurt. Browns next ruined his season last year. We”ll be lucky to see a single pitch from Cabrera or Steele the rest of the year. We need so many arms, and we need one good one this year if we’re going to give this (very good) offense a shot. 

[squally1313]

ok well that’s done, what do you want to do now 

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

Both of the top guys will require an extension (Skubal and Ryan).  I'd be all for it if that happens.  Any major move would be welcome, as far as I'm concerned.  But if the left handed version of Aaron Judge becomes available it would change my perspective, regardless of how bad the need for pitching gets.  Those guys don't come around often.  

Here is the problem. Your obsession with Alveraz. On June 8th the GM of the Astros shot down any talk of Alvarez being available. Yet you still suggest he is. TBH, even if he was the Cubs should be looking at pitching. But there is nothing suggesting he is even available so comparing a pitching trade to picking up Alvarez is pointless. Besides that, for what Alvarez would cost I would bet the Cubs could get 2 or 3 useful pitchers. 

[PeanutPunch33]

3 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

ok well that’s done, what do you want to do now 

Haha it's not like he's gonna come out and say "we can't wait to trade our generational player".  I know it's unrealistic, I'm just saying that they will get calls regardless and the Cubs should be a team that calls and makes a compelling offer if there is even a 1% chance they'd do it.

Edited 7 hours ago by PeanutPunch33

[PeanutPunch33]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Here is the problem. Your obsession with Alveraz. On June 8th the GM of the Astros shot down any talk of Alvarez being available. Yet you still suggest he is. TBH, even if he was the Cubs should be looking at pitching. But there is nothing suggesting he is even available so comparing a pitching trade to picking up Alvarez is pointless. Besides that, for what Alvarez would cost I would bet the Cubs could get 2 or 3 useful pitchers. 

I'm beyond obsessed with that guy, won't pretend otherwise lol.  One of the best hitters I've ever seen.  Imagine that guy out of the 2 hole every single day behind PCA.  I agree that it's very unlikely they trade him but weirder things have happened.  

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

Haha it's not like he's gonna come out and say "we can't wait to trade our generational player".  I know it's unrealistic, I'm just saying that they will get calls regardless and the Cubs should be a a team that calls and makes a compelling offer if there is even a 1% chance they'd do it. 

I mean, what are we even doing here. ‘Here’s a bunch of pitchers that have widely been discussed as being available’ ‘no, that’s wrong, I would prefer the best hitter in baseball with 2.5 years left on his contract’

like, fine, actually you’re wrong and we should try to trade for Bobby Witt? Or actually Ohtani solves both problems.  What is possibly the point of you coming in here with this every single time it comes up 

[PeanutPunch33]

2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I mean, what are we even doing here. ‘Here’s a bunch of pitchers that have widely been discussed as being available’ ‘no, that’s wrong, I would prefer the best hitter in baseball with 2.5 years left on his contract’

like, fine, actually you’re wrong and we should try to trade for Bobby Witt? Or actually Ohtani solves both problems.  What is possibly the point of you coming in here with this every single time it comes up 

I'm not the one that brought it up, someone was making a joke about me and mischaracterizing my opinion so I responded 🤷 which I don't really get.  Respect that people have different opinions instead of throwing shade at every opportunity.  

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

I'm not the one that brought it up, someone was making a joke about me and mischaracterizing my opinion so I responded 🤷 which I don't really get.  Respect that people have different opinions instead of throwing shade at every opportunity.  

How is mentioning you believe adding a hitter is more important than adding a pitcher mischaracterizing you? You have said it repeatedly. It has been Alveraz and Abrams. And best we know neither is available. I do respect your opinion. I even agree with it from time to time. But in this particular conversation you are just wrong, IMO. Even if Alvarez was available, there is more pressing needs and only a certain amount of assets the Cubs have to acquire those assets. Best use of Cubs assets is to get pitching, pitching, pitching. 
 

[Wilson A2000]

Cubs have won 7/10, have the 5th best run differential in MLB, and the 5th best Expected Win/Loss rate in MLB. MLB is meh this year, but still.

[squally1313]

47 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

I'm not the one that brought it up, someone was making a joke about me and mischaracterizing my opinion so I responded 🤷 which I don't really get.  Respect that people have different opinions instead of throwing shade at every opportunity.  

Dude you’ve, over and over again, stepped into conversations where other people were talking about needing pitching and naming reasonable options to be like ‘no we actually need hitters, middle of the order bats are gods, etc etc etc’ and after all that it turns out you just meant completely unobtainable hall of famers? What an enormous waste of time. 

[chibears55]

Boog.. PCA has stopped chasing pitches

Very next pitch he chases one down and away for strike 3 😂😂

[Derwood]

Didn't score, but hung 30 pitches on their starter in the 1st inning

[mk49]

4 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Didn't score, but hung 30 pitches on their starter in the 1st inning

Yeah, 30 pitches without a hit.  Then, Shota finished the 1st inning with 7 pitches.

[Soul]

That was nasty.  Really need this version of Shota the whole game

[PeanutPunch33]

40 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Dude you’ve, over and over again, stepped into conversations where other people were talking about needing pitching and naming reasonable options to be like ‘no we actually need hitters, middle of the order bats are gods, etc etc etc’ and after all that it turns out you just meant completely unobtainable hall of famers? What an enormous waste of time. 

“stepped into conversations where other people are talking..” wtf is that supposed to mean? like am I interrupting you from saying something? this is a public thread i can post whatever the horsefeathers I want.  stop chasing people off this board because you don’t agree with what they say, i’ve seen you do this to others in the past too 

I also said “IF” Alvarez becomes available and have said 1000 different times it’s unlikely.   I guess you don’t understand what the word “IF” means or the concept of a hypothetical 

Edited 6 hours ago by PeanutPunch33

[chibears55]

27 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Boog.. PCA has stopped chasing pitches

Very next pitch he chases one down and away for strike 3 😂😂

Chases strike 3 on 2nd AB too

Granted against a lefty but damn boog why you go and say that 😂😂

[BobbyD3]

18 minutes ago, Soul said:

That was nasty.  Really need this version of Shota the whole game

Which version?

[Eeyore]

Shota loves home runs

[UMFan83]

Gopher boy is back

[mk49]

This is what happens with Shota and Carson.