Cubs (Imanaga) vs Mets (Senga): 6/22/26, 6:10pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

One of the great things about baseball is that when it comes to a series such as this, one of the teams *has* to win, even if it's by accident.

	WED	THU	FRI	SAT	SUN	TOT
Trent Thornton	0	0	0	13	0	13
Ryan Rolison	0	0	0	1	0	1
Phil Maton	0	0	0	0	0	0
Javier Assad	92	0	0	0	0	92
Jacob Webb	16	0	0	27	0	43
Hoby Milner	25	0	16	0	0	41
Gavin Hollowell	0	0	13	0	0	13
Ethan Roberts	15	0	10	14	0	39
Caleb Thielbar	16	0	0	13	0	29

 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

this is probably gonna get rained out as well

[Stratos]

Is it safe yet to say that the Cuns are out of their dreadful team-wide offensive slump?  Some individual slumps remain obviously.  But even Dansby seems to be doing a bit better lately.

[cl smooth]

22 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Is it safe yet to say that the Cuns are out of their dreadful team-wide offensive slump?  Some individual slumps remain obviously.  But even Dansby seems to be doing a bit better lately.

Chicago Cuns

[Tryptamine]

We don't really have a place to talk trades, but I just read an article that suggested Kane Kepley and Kaleb Wing for Sonny Gray. If the Cubs were 15 games over and one front line starter from being amongst the WS favorites sure. With that said, throwing that kind of prospect capital for half a season when this team is clearly nowhere near a contender would be criminal. 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

5 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

We don't really have a place to talk trades, but I just read an article that suggested Kane Kepley and Kaleb Wing for Sonny Gray. If the Cubs were 15 games over and one front line starter from being amongst the WS favorites sure. With that said, throwing that kind of prospect capital for half a season when this team is clearly nowhere near a contender would be criminal. 

sonny gray is old and on an expiring contract. who suggested this trade, Jon Red Sox Fan?

edit: would be all for adding sonny gray at a reasonable price however

Edited 2 hours ago by Tangled Up in Plaid

[Tryptamine]

2 minutes ago, Tangled Up in Plaid said:

sonny gray is old and on an expiring contract. who suggested this trade, Jon Red Sox Fan?

That's the least of the crazy. I'm looking at an article right now that wants the Cubs to give up Shaw, Alcantara and Ayers for Sonny Gray. That's just an absurdly huge overpay.

[muntjack]

Maybe for Joe Ryan.

[Rcal10]

46 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

We don't really have a place to talk trades, but I just read an article that suggested Kane Kepley and Kaleb Wing for Sonny Gray. If the Cubs were 15 games over and one front line starter from being amongst the WS favorites sure. With that said, throwing that kind of prospect capital for half a season when this team is clearly nowhere near a contender would be criminal. 

I agree they should not do something like that. But to suggest they are clearly nowhere near a contender is wrong. No idea why so many people say this. If they are a team who by projections should win 86-90+ games they are a contender. This team has those projections. At the very least they are definitely a playoff contender. And clearly much closer than “nowhere near ” territory. 

[Rcal10]

44 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

That's the least of the crazy. I'm looking at an article right now that wants the Cubs to give up Shaw, Alcantara and Ayers for Sonny Gray. That's just an absurdly huge overpay.

That is nuts. Even a team clearly making the playoffs doesn’t give that away. Cubs are in a bad spot when it comes to TDL deals. While they are contending for a a lot in the playoffs, they aren’t a sure thing. So they can’t go get that missing piece, like the ‘16 team did with Chapman. Prices are going to be high. Not really sure how aggressive the FO will be.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, Tangled Up in Plaid said:

sonny gray is old and on an expiring contract. who suggested this trade, Jon Red Sox Fan?

edit: would be all for adding sonny gray at a reasonable price however

Sonny Gray is solid but Jed isn't going to give up much for "solid, or at least he shouldn't.  If we give up real prospects we should target a well above-average pitcher.

A rotation of Brown/Gray/Boyd/Shota-Cabrera is so-so for a playoff team but still isn't a strength and not likely to be a true WS contender against the better teams.   The Dodgers and likely Brewers would still annihilate us.

[chibears55]

21 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I agree they should not do something like that. But to suggest they are clearly nowhere near a contender is wrong. No idea why so many people say this. If they are a team who by projections should win 86-90+ games they are a contender. This team has those projections. At the very least they are definitely a playoff contender. And clearly much closer than “nowhere near ” territory. 

I think new projections may have them being closer to 80-85 wins now, and that will mostly depend on what they can get out of the pitching side until at least the deadline. 

Theres 34 games til the deadline,  if they can find a way to win 20 of those, i think theyll be in pretty good shape from there if Hoyer can add a solid arm or two to the rotation and bullpen to get them through to the postseason and raise that win total to at least 90

 

[chibears55]

10 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Sonny Gray is solid but Jed isn't going to give up much for "solid, or at least he shouldn't.  If we give up real prospects we should target a well above-average pitcher.

A rotation of Brown/Gray/Boyd/Shota-Cabrera is so-so for a playoff team but still isn't a strength and not likely to be a true WS contender against the better teams.   The Dodgers and likely Brewers would still annihilate us.

Theres 4 guys in the system I dont want to see moved this deadline and that....

Rojas, Hartshorn, Ayers, and Wiggins 

These are 4 guys id love to see on the 2028 opening day roster as starters.

[CubinNY]

They aren’t a bad team. They are a Jed Hoyer production. It’s the same every year. 
 

on the plus side, there are only a handful of teams who are trying.  The rest of the owners are waiting to get all the money after the next CBA.