NFL Week 5

[Hot Sauce]

27 minutes ago, cwood218 said:

Huh? this has nothing to do with Carolina. I was pointing out that Dowdle ( last year ) and both Williams and Sanders ( this year ) have looked good/really good because of the Dallas O-Line. In addition, Sanders also looked good in 2022 behind the Eagles O-Line. Click the links if your not familiar with the players. They are basically replacement level players who have looked good when behind good or better O-line. Also I wasn't saying they were Gems, I was pointing out the exact opposite.

Are you familiar with the players? lol Williams was the 35th overall pick just four years ago. Sanders was drafted 53rd. Those are valuable picks and both of those guys came into the league with expectations to perform. If anything, Sanders has been a disappointment. 

You mentioned back-to-back hidden gems for Dallas as if you were talking about Dowdle and someone else.

Edited October 6, 2025 by Hot Sauce

[cwood218]

4 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

Are you familiar with the players? lol Williams was the 35th overall pick just four years ago. Sanders was drafted 53rd. Those are valuable picks and both of those guys came into the league with expectations to perform as RB1s. 

You mentioned back-to-back hidden gems for Dallas as if you were talking about Dowdle and someone else.

I'm guessing you had a few beers today while watching football or something and that is causing your current reading comprehension problem?

[Hot Sauce]

2 hours ago, cwood218 said:

Yes, taking any RB and putting them on a better team, specifically behind a better O-Line, will make them look better. 

For example look at what Dowdle did in Dallas last year. 2020 UDFA who gets a chance in his fourth year.

1079 yards - 4.6 avg. Dallas let's him walk and this year they have ( through 5 games ) ...

Williams 447 yards - 5.7 avg. 

Sanders 117 yards - 5.8 avg.

Are we supposed to believe the Cowgirls just hit on back to back to back hidden Gems? Or, hear me out, maybe their O-Line is really bleeping good. 

Here you go. "back to back to back hidden gems". I'll ask a third time. Who are you talking about? 

[Andy]

2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Mayfield and Darnold combined for 700 yards and just 10 incompletions. Wowza.

Speaking of promising QBs who were ruined by terrible coaching

Carolina literally had both these players in 2022 and did jack horsefeathers with them

[Brian707]

2 hours ago, BigbadB said:

There was 12:51 remaining in the 4th quarter  when DeMercado rushed for 71 yards and then flipped the ball at the half yard line and the ball was fumbled out of the back of the end zone. That TD would have made it 28 to 6. They then proceeded to lose the game 22-21. Hahahahaha! 

That was a very Eberflusian way to lose

[cwood218]

48 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

Here you go. "back to back to back hidden gems". I'll ask a third time. Who are you talking about? 

You should probably pray on it. Ask god to help you understand what a rhetorical question is. Ask him to help you read the very next sentence.

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Or, hear me out, maybe their O-Line is really bleeping good. 

 Then ask him to help you understand context. Specifically the part where three players are cited.

[Hot Sauce]

4 minutes ago, cwood218 said:

You should probably pray on it. Ask god to help you understand what a rhetorical question is. Ask him to help you read the very next sentence.

 Then ask him to help you understand context. Specifically the part where three players are cited.

Javonte Williams was drafted 35th overall out of 259 players. Three picks from the 1st round. He isn't a "hidden gem." Neither is Miles Sanders, who was also drafted in the 2nd round of his draft, respectively.

Maybe discussing football isn't for you.

[cwood218]

2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said:

Javonte Williams was drafted 35th overall out of 259 players. Three picks from the 1st round. He isn't a "hidden gem." Neither is Miles Sanders, who was also drafted in the 2nd round of his draft, respectively.

Maybe discussing football isn't for you.

You're correct, they aren't hidden gems.

What your missing is that I didn't claim they were hidden gems. I claimed the opposite.

All three were cheap replacement level free agent signings by Dallas. They found success behind a very good Dallas O-Line. 

The fact that DEN ( Williams ) and PHI ( Sanders ) were bad second round picks is meaningless. Dallas didn't spend picks on them. Dallas signed Sanders to a 1yr $ 1.3 M deal and Williams a 1yr $ 3M deal.

All of this highlights my initial claim ... 

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Yes, taking any RB and putting them on a better team, specifically behind a better O-Line, will make them look better. 

 

[Hot Sauce]

8 minutes ago, cwood218 said:

You're correct, they aren't hidden gems.

What your missing is that I didn't claim they were hidden gems. I claimed the opposite.

All three were cheap replacement level free agent signings by Dallas. They found success behind a very good Dallas O-Line. 

The fact that DEN ( Williams ) and PHI ( Sanders ) were bad second round picks is meaningless. Dallas didn't spend picks on them. Dallas signed Sanders to a 1yr $ 1.3 M deal and Williams a 1yr $ 3M deal.

All of this highlights my initial claim ... 

 

What you are missing is that Williams and Sanders could not have qualified as "hidden gems" given the expectations they came into the league with, so lumping them in with an undrafted player like Dowdle to try to make your point was stupid, even if your question was rhetorical.

Dallas was 27th in rushing yards per game last year, by the way. Worse than the Bears. lol

 

[Derwood]

12 hours ago, Soul said:

It’s too late.  He was either overrated as a prospect or ruined by a remarkably terrible coaching staff in Chicago.  I believe it was the latter.

[BigbadB]

9 hours ago, Brian707 said:

That was a very Eberflusian way to lose

Just realized that Arizona was my suicide pick this week. Grr. 

[gflore34]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

Suggesting over rated as a prospect? 

Watched a good portion of the game yesterday, Justin was sacked 5 times, a couple weren't his fault.  Missed blocks or bad adjustment, etc. left free runners at him, on other sacks, it was discouraging he couldn't see the holes/openings in Eberflus' zones quick enough - bad coaching didn't teach him this and good coaching won't resolve this issue.

I truly wonder if Justin would benefit from a position change, I think he could excel as a WR. 

Edited October 6, 2025 by gflore34

[Soul]

2 hours ago, Derwood said:

It’s absolutely valid to say nah, he was always overrated.  I’m saying the Bears coaching has been so abysmal on the QB front there’s no way Fields received any kind of NFL-caliber development and that’s what he would have needed, just like many others.  Where he’s at now, with the Jets? Zero chance he does anything.  He’ll never succeed now.  He’s ruined.  He doesn’t have the skills and the window to get rid of bad habits and develop them is long past.  It’s not provable.  Just an opinion.

[mul21]

10 hours ago, Hot Sauce said:

What you are missing is that Williams and Sanders could not have qualified as "hidden gems" given the expectations they came into the league with, so lumping them in with an undrafted player like Dowdle to try to make your point was stupid, even if your question was rhetorical.

Dallas was 27th in rushing yards per game last year, by the way. Worse than the Bears. lol

 

You're arguing a point he didn't make.  Regardless of draft status, all 3 of those players were available to any team in the league for just money and the 2 draft picks signed for a combined $4.3 million.  They're having success because the Dallas o-line is very good.  Also, perhaps the rushing offense wasn't good last year because their QB was hurt and didn't play in over half their games and they ran a sub replacement level backup out there so other teams were able to stack the box against the run?  Or maybe they threw the ball all the time because they were constantly behind because they has a backup QB playing?

[gflore34]

9 minutes ago, Soul said:

It’s absolutely valid to say nah, he was always overrated.  I’m saying the Bears coaching has been so abysmal on the QB front there’s no way Fields received any kind of NFL-caliber development and that’s what he would have needed, just like many others.  Where he’s at now, with the Jets? Zero chance he does anything.  He’ll never succeed now.  He’s ruined.  He doesn’t have the skills and the window to get rid of bad habits and develop them is long past.  It’s not provable.  Just an opinion.

None of our theories are provable, like most things, it's quite probably a little bit of everything.  Looking back, as ****** as that clown (can't remember his name) from GB was, I think he recognized Justin has problems with reading the field, progressions. You could see some of this with his play calling.

[Soul]

1 hour ago, gflore34 said:

 

I truly wonder if Justin would benefit from a position change, I think he could excel as a WR. 

Maybe?  I don't know.  I think if Fields wants to see the field at this point (after he flames out with NYJ), it would be more likely in the CFL or XFL, where his physical skills could be used against lower-level competition.  Otherwise he's likely to just be buried on the depth chart and maybe play as a stop-gap for an injured starter.

Does he handle a headset well?  Maybe he could do color at OSU.

[Soul]

6 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

None of our theories are provable, like most things, it's quite probably a little bit of everything.  Looking back, as ****** as that clown (can't remember his name) from GB was, I think he recognized Justin has problems with reading the field, progressions. You could see some of this with his play calling.

[gflore34]

30 minutes ago, Soul said:

Maybe?  I don't know.  I think if Fields wants to see the field at this point (after he flames out with NYJ), it would be more likely in the CFL or XFL, where his physical skills could be used against lower-level competition.  Otherwise he's likely to just be buried on the depth chart and maybe play as a stop-gap for an injured starter.

Does he handle a headset well?  Maybe he could do color at OSU.

It's really a shame, I wanted him to succeed, he's taken and dealt with a plethora crap and handed it pretty well.  Through all of it he's worked his ass off, he deserves some success.

Edited October 6, 2025 by gflore34

[Derwood]

This Bad Bunny nontroversy is hilarious. I thought all these idiots "quit the NFL" over Kapernick taking a knee? Weird that they're all still here to once again protest a sport they'll never stop watching

[mul21]

7 minutes ago, Derwood said:

This Bad Bunny nontroversy is hilarious. I thought all these idiots "quit the NFL" over Kapernick taking a knee? Weird that they're all still here to once again protest a sport they'll never stop watching

My favorite part is that they're all so stupid and full of hate that they don't understand Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

[Derwood]

5 minutes ago, mul21 said:

My favorite part is that they're all so stupid and full of hate that they don't understand Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

Or that a ton of past halftime performers weren't Americans (Rihanna, Shakira, U2, etc.)

[mul21]

6 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Or that a ton of past halftime performers weren't Americans (Rihanna, Shakira, U2, etc.)

To be fair, they hated them too.

[BigSlick]

15 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Mayfield and Darnold combined for 700 yards and just 10 incompletions. Wowza.

This is me at my most Boomerish but I hate football going in this direction. It’s too much like Arena Football. It should be possible to force an incompletion! I don’t want 80%+ completion percentages, it’s boring!

[soccer10k]

13 hours ago, Andy said:

Speaking of promising QBs who were ruined by terrible coaching

Carolina literally had both these players in 2022 and did jack horsefeathers with them

So you’re saying a competent organization should be all in on Bryce Young because all he needs is to get out of Carolina?

[Brian707]

3 hours ago, BigbadB said:

Just realized that Arizona was my suicide pick this week. Grr. 

Luckily I picked Detroit. Lots of people went down with Buffalo and AZ