Cubs (Boyd) vs Pirates (Oviedo): 9/17/25, 11:35am

[mk49]

6 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

A quarter of the season? For the guy with two starts coming off injury and a 5/4 K/BB ratio in 10.1 IP in those starts? Matt Boyd has a better FIP and xFIP in his last 7 starts than Taillon's last 7 starts. And was obviously significantly better than he was before those starts. 

Yeah, Jamo just came back, and it's too early to tell.  But, if Boyd gives up 4 or 5 runs every game for the rest of the season (hopefully, he'll skip at game, though), and Jame continues strong, which isn't certain.  But, right now, I feel better with Jamo.  

[Brian707]

25 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Not a playoff game but I’m sure they would love to clinch the game . 

This is a glorified spring training game, probably why they are letting Tucker go to Florida. They will clinch, today, tonight, tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday

[Caesar]

22 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

I think even a diminished form of Matt Boyd is better than Taillon. And then there's the possibilities that he's purposely dialing it back a notch, that he's getting unlucky in the way that just called up Horton was in terms of not putting guys away, etc.

Relying on short term trends over full season performance is not the right way to manage a baseball team. 

Short term? Really. I hope you’re right 

[chibears55]

Crazy how teams can bang a bunch of hits and runs in the first inning or two and then cant seem to do anything afterwards.

It's like watching 2 different games in one

[mk49]

We're all frustrated by Boyd, because he was so good before the AB.  The Pirates scored only 1 run in the last two games.  Then, Boyd gave up 3 in the first inning.  Plus, the Cubs can't score more than 4 runs.  If we are 8-4 right now, we wouldn't be complaining this much about Boyd.

Everyone wants to see the good Boyd, and he had a chance today against the Pirates.  

[squally1313]

6 minutes ago, mk49 said:

Yeah, Jamo just came back, and it's too early to tell.  But, if Boyd gives up 4 or 5 runs every game for the rest of the season (hopefully, he'll skip at game, though), and Jame continues strong, which isn't certain.  But, right now, I feel better with Jamo.  

We have to go back two starts for one where he gave up less than 4 (7 IP, 2 ER).

As someone who relies on a certain level of metrics (K, BB, LOB rates, BABIP, etc) but is a little out of depth in terms of looking at actual pitch level performance (velocity, pitch grades, etc), the numbers are concerning because he just stopped striking people out. BABIP is normal, LOB rate is fine, he just stopped putting people away. He pitched like a top 15 guy through like August 15th (10th in fWAR through that date, 6th in ERA, 25th in xFIP), and now YTD he's 15th in fWAR, 13th in ERA, 34th in xFIP. I think that overall numbers are pretty indicative of who he is, a good not great starter. But Jameson Taillon is probably bad. He's not pitching strong, he's overly reliant on defense. He has the fifth lowest BABIP of anyone with over 110 innings and he's barely holding onto a sub-4.00 ERA. 

[BKHoo]

Ballesteros it’s ok to run hard. 

[Banedon]

It sure does suck the energy out of a ballgame to play in a ballpark that's almost empty.

[chibears55]

8 minutes ago, mk49 said:

Yeah, Jamo just came back, and it's too early to tell.  But, if Boyd gives up 4 or 5 runs every game for the rest of the season (hopefully, he'll skip at game, though), and Jame continues strong, which isn't certain.  But, right now, I feel better with Jamo.  

Taillon has 2 more starts he can make and Boyd has one or two if they let him start the last game against the Cardinals (probably wont). So, if he doesn't make that last start, that'll give him 9 days off until game 3 of WC playoffs.   Maybe that'll help him

Taillon is making a case to get that start, especially if he finishes strong in his next 2 starts and if Boyd struggles against the Mets, but im going to guess Counsell will lean on Boyd for that start with Taillon ready if needed early. 

 

[mk49]

Hey, maybe, the Cubs score the 5th run now.

[mk49]

Finally.

[chibears55]

Hey Hey, they got a run home from 3rd with less than 2 outs

[We Got The Whole 9]

Atta boy Busch. It is not likely to hold up but at least we got a run in.

[BKHoo]

5!

[mk49]

Happer again!

[bukie]

That might be a first at the MLB level. Cacher makes a throwing error trying to catch a runner stealing 2nd...on ball 4.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Happ and Hoerner have really saved our butts.

[chibears55]

Nico is up to 303 just 2 behind Turner..

Turner might be back that final weekend, could be a fun weekend to see if Nico can win the batting title.

[mk49]

Turner did it.  Great.

[chibears55]

Happ and Turner extending the lead, now that more like it

[We Got The Whole 9]

Here's what we needed. Keep your foot on the gas.

[Rcal10]

4 minutes ago, bukie said:

That might be a first at the MLB level. Cacher makes a throwing error trying to catch a runner stealing 2nd...on ball 4.

I saw a guy get thrown out at second when he tried stealing and the batter walked. I think it was Ronny Cedeno or Jose Hernandez. He ran on what ended up ball 4. Catcher threw down and the runner was out because he over slid the bag and was tagged out AFTER he got to second on the walk.

[mk49]

Civale is looking good.  Maybe, he'll come back for another inning?

[Soul]

Holy moly what a catch.

[Rcal10]

Is it me, or does anyone else think Shaw tends to stumble a little more often than usual?