Cubs 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[PeanutPunch33]

2 hours ago, cubfansince77 said:

I don't disagree with you PP33 but your statement isn't really based in reality. Ian isn't having a good year and his trade value won't be very high UNLESS he takes off from here and really produces the rest of the season.

I think they'll have to get a bit creative but it can be done, I mean Happ is still a 3 WAR player and will be a rental for a team next year.  If they convinced a team to take Bellinger and that contract I am 99% certain they can convince someone to take Ian.  Worst case, they have to pitch in $5 million or give up an inconsequential lower level prospect.

If they can stick Caissie in LF next year and keep Tucker, I think it goes a long way with the fans.  I can see their vision if that ends up happening.

[PeanutPunch33]

3 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Jed left the Cubs a solid starter short. There is no way around that. He should have done a better job knowing the cost and accepting it. I am fine with the pen arms and happy with Castro. Had he even gotten Kelly, I would have considered the deadline a good one. Now we have to hope guys last the season and even then, when the playoffs do start, most likely our pitcher will not be the same level as the guy we face. Doesn’t mean they can’t pitch well. Doesn’t mean the Cubs can’t win. But it would feel better if going in we at least had one more quality starter.

This is exactly how I feel.  Even if it wasn't a controllable SP and he wants to sell us on the fact that none of those guys were moved - he had other avenues to upgrade the team, whether it was Houser or Kelly.  If he got Kelly all of us would be saying it was a good trade deadline.  

[Jason Ross]

51 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

This is exactly how I feel.  Even if it wasn't a controllable SP and he wants to sell us on the fact that none of those guys were moved - he had other avenues to upgrade the team, whether it was Houser or Kelly.  If he got Kelly all of us would be saying it was a good trade deadline.  

Maybe. The Rangers didn't get Kelly for free and there are varying views on their package. Some are pretty high on what Arizona got back, and the equivalent from the Cubs may have been quite painful.

[Longhorn20]

23 hours ago, squally1313 said:

Kyle Tucker is the 9th best offensive player in baseball this year when you include baserunning and defense, the 10th best hitter by wOBA, and the 11th best hitter by xwOBA. He doesn't play a premium position but he's nowhere near at risk of having to move to DH soon. 

Over the last three years he's been the 7th best hitter and the 14th most valuable offensive player (while missing half of 2024) in terms of fWAR generated. He's not Judge, Witt, Soto, or Shohei, but he probably as much an argument as anybody else for the 5th spot after that. It's probably an overpay, but those type of deals mathematically are always going to be, and it's not my money, so why not. 

But how many top quality free agents could you sign for that.

[Longhorn20]

Cubs trades and signings were BORRRRing!

[Tryptamine]

6 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

Maybe. The Rangers didn't get Kelly for free and there are varying views on their package. Some are pretty high on what Arizona got back, and the equivalent from the Cubs may have been quite painful.

I'd agree that the Rangers gave up a good package, but if Jed more or less knows it's Kelly or I'm going to end up marching Taillon out there in game 3 then he should have been prepared to throw something like Alcantara+Birdsell and a 3rd lower down in the ranks.

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, Longhorn20 said:

But how many top quality free agents could you sign for that.

Not enough to off set it. 

Let's just do this, and say you can either sign Kyle Tucker at a $50m (AAV) or sign Michael King ($25m), Bo Bichette ($25m). Kyle Tucker is currently on pace for about 6 fWAR on the year, Michael King for 2.5 and Bo Bichette 3.6, They're about equal. But here's the rub...Kyle Tucker is just one roster spot, meaning if you have another roster spot that is capable of producing 2-3 fWAR you're way ahead the Tucker route.

It's not close when all things are factored in. One player will aways beat two.

[Jason Ross]

4 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I'd agree that the Rangers gave up a good package, but if Jed more or less knows it's Kelly or I'm going to end up marching Taillon out there in game 3 then he should have been prepared to throw something like Alcantara+Birdsell and a 3rd lower down in the ranks.

I'd have passed on Kelly at the package. But I do agree that he needed to pivot somewhere. I'd have gone after those sub-Duran BP arms myself. Just build a badass BP.

[PeanutPunch33]

13 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

Maybe. The Rangers didn't get Kelly for free and there are varying views on their package. Some are pretty high on what Arizona got back, and the equivalent from the Cubs may have been quite painful.

I firmly believe in the motto "you get what you pay for".

Kelly would have been expensive, but he'd be the clear #3 on this team and someone I'd trust in the playoffs.  I do not trust anybody right now after Shota and boyd. 

[Jason Ross]

Just now, PeanutPunch33 said:

I firmly believe in the motto "you get what you pay for".

Kelly would have been expensive, but he'd be the clear #3 on this team and someone I'd trust in the playoffs.  I do not trust anybody right now after Shota and boyd. 

You do. Kelly is good. But I'm not sure he's so good I'd have matched the Rangers there. 

I think there are more than one way to skin a cat. Probably would have gone the BP of Doom route. Bednar, Bird, types.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I think he really likes the clubs potential to get the most out of Soroka and probably didnt think the difference between he and Kelly would be that big.

[chopsx9]

The StroShow is available!

 

[DrCub]

21 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I'd have passed on Kelly at the package. But I do agree that he needed to pivot somewhere. I'd have gone after those sub-Duran BP arms myself. Just build a badass BP.

This 100%.  We do not know if the asks for cost controlled SP included MLB players and prospects or something else.  Maybe we all would have balked.  Could be the same with the rentals.  So for that I do not blame Jed.  My frustration lies with what you mentioned….a lack of pivoting to high end BP arms when it was obvious the SP costs were too much.  

[Stratos]

6 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I think this is a great point. I know a lot of people were saying this means the Cubs aren't resigning Tucker b/c they didn't make a big trade. I'm not sure if they will re-sign him, but if they do, they should finalize the deal quickly during the offseason.

Then they can look for deals when trade prices are lower in the offseason. 

Yeah It would be ridiculous to trade OF prospects before extending Tucker even if they had all intentions to extend him.

[chibears55]

 Bottom line is i guess we can say Hoyer was able to accomplish 3 of 4 needs this team had.

1. He got Castro that everyone wanted, to improve the bench and be that super utility guy and help against LH pitchers.

2. He added Soroka to be the 2nd starter they needed.

3. He improved the Bullpen with a LHer and RHer that can help early and late in games.

4. He was unable to land a SP to help Imanaga and Boyd at the top.

 Going forward now we have to hope that enough to get back ahead of the Brewers and compete in the postseason. 

I think theyll be good enough to pass the Brewers, not so sure about getting through the postseason without that SP addition to help Imanaga and Boyd.

We're just going to have to hope Taillon and Soroka can get hot and do the job for them

 

 

[Post Count Padder]

39 minutes ago, chopsx9 said:

The StroShow is available!

 

I saw this. Is he cooked or is there something that can be salvaged for the final stretch to at least get us some decent innings?

[Randall Simon]

7 hours ago, 17 Seconds said:

i think if they had just gotten bieber or kelly, the reaction to this deadline would be way different

100%  Jed erred in NOT identifying soon enough that the controlled SP market was too pricey. He didn't leave himself time to pivot to the rentals. 

He still would've needed to "overpay" there too. But if you're not willing to take a risk on this team, when are you gonna be willing to take a risk? And if he expects to build "sustained success" without taking any risks, we'll be stacking up 80 win seasons.

[chopsx9]

17 minutes ago, Post Count Padder said:

I saw this. Is he cooked or is there something that can be salvaged for the final stretch to at least get us some decent innings?

I think the angle would be he pitches well when he has a chip on his shoulder so maybe the release invigorates him and you catch lightning in a bottle??  Don't really know what his status is or the cost of picking him up though.  how desperate are the Cubs?

 

[Tryptamine]

Kiley ranked the 97 prospects that were dealt at the tradeline. The Cubs had the following

#23- Christian Franklin (40FV)

#52- Ronny Cruz(35+FV)

#59- Wilfri De La Cruz(35+FV)

#60- Ryan Gallagher(35+FV)

#80- Ivan Brethowr(35+FV)

#94- Sam Armstrong(35FV)

 

The prospects traded for Kelly ranked 

#9- Kohl Drake

#29- Michael Bratt

#34- David Hagaman

 

The prospects traded for Suarez ranked

#8- Tyler Locklear

#28- Juan Borgos

#55- Hunter Cranton

 

[Randall Simon]

2 hours ago, chopsx9 said:

I think the angle would be he pitches well when he has a chip on his shoulder so maybe the release invigorates him and you catch lightning in a bottle??  Don't really know what his status is or the cost of picking him up though.  how desperate are the Cubs?

 

I'd take a flier on Stro for the league minimum. 

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Whatever happened with Luis Severino? Didn't hear anything about him after all his complaining about Sutter Health Park and everyone saying the A's signed him just to trade him.

[Neuby]

At this point Stroman would be a welcome addition. Verlander will likely get released by the Giants the coming days  to pursue other options.

[Derwood]

I barely remember Stro being on the Cubs the first time. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Bird and Bednar just blew a 6 run lead in the bottom of the 7th lol

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

44 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Bird and Bednar just blew a 6 run lead in the bottom of the 7th lol

And Dovall blew another lead and the Marlins win.

Bird, Bednar, and Doval: 2.1 IP, 10 H, 9 ER. You love to see it.