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3 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

Probably between $400m-$500m. His slump is still a good player and he'll probably go bananas for a bit and we'll all forget this.

If he's to match what he did 2021, 2022, 2023 it's got to be massive which will be good for the Cubs.

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2 minutes ago, bukie said:

Personally, I'd feel worse about today if top end starters were being wheeled and dealt everywhere and the Cubs just watched it happen, but no top tier starters were dealt and just one second tier starter was (Kelly), to the point where you could reasonably say the Cubs acquired the second best starter that was dealt.

To me, that paints a picture that the SP market was just unreasonably high.

It may have been "unreasonably high" but the Cubs are pretty much the only team (you can probably say Boston as well) that needs a legit ace, and they didn't accomplish that.

Jed just better hope the starting pitching can hold on throughout the remainder of the season, and that Boyd/Imanaga can perform well in the postseason. If they don't, then this was a failure. 

I'm sure Miami's asking price was high for Alcantara, but he can still have the ability to be an "ace" pitcher again when he returns into form. You add that with getting Cabrera, and you're able to have a postseason rotation with Alcantara, Imanaga, Boyd, Cabrera/Horton.  I don't feel confident with Taillon/Assad starting a postseason game.

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1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

If he's to match what he did 2021, 2022, 2023 it's got to be massive which will be good for the Cubs.

Tucker is currently hitting better than all three of those years and is on pace to comfortably eclipse them, fWAR wise. The slugging isn’t quite there, but the walks (and corresponding OBP) are way up. Most important thing you can do as a hitter is not make outs, besides 2024 this is the best he’s been at that. 

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1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

If he's to match what he did 2021, 2022, 2023 it's got to be massive which will be good for the Cubs.

He doesn't need to do much more. If his season ended today, it would be his second best offensive season per wRC+ ever. He's half a win away from his best season ever. 

Tucker's been a dude this year. He's basically got to avoid a season ending injury for this to be the best full season of Kyle Tucker ever.

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18 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Tucker - is it a certainty the Cubs will not make an attempt to sign him?  Moreover, his numbers while good, do not appear to be of mega-contract status.  Maybe he'll go an a massive heater of these last 54 games but, I could see Jed using Tucker' non mega-contract status numbers as justification for not handing out a big long term contract.

Nice post 

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Just now, 731.4life said:

It may have been "unreasonably high" but the Cubs are pretty much the only team (you can probably say Boston as well) that needs a legit ace, and they didn't accomplish that.

Jed just better hope the starting pitching can hold on throughout the remainder of the season, and that Boyd/Imanaga can perform well in the postseason. If they don't, then this was a failure. 

I'm sure Miami's asking price was high for Alcantara, but he can still have the ability to be an "ace" pitcher again when he returns into form. You add that with getting Cabrera, and you're able to have a postseason rotation with Alcantara, Imanaga, Boyd, Cabrera/Horton.  I don't feel confident with Taillon/Assad starting a postseason game.

Imaginary scenarios are pointless since we don’t know what the cost of acquiring those players actually was. It could’ve been Horton, Shaw, Caissie. We don’t know, so there’s no sense in playing this game.

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1 minute ago, KCCub said:

 

I'm sure Adrian Hauser is a nice guy, but frankly. glad that didn't happen at this stage. Let's say it was like a Will Sanders going back the other way. I don't think Hauser really changes the math for the 2025 Cubs at this point and I'd rather just have Sanders, even if I think he's like a Colin Rea or an Adrian Hauser later on in his career.

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Jed said on Marquee that none of the controllable SP moved, and hardly any of the good rental SP moved.  He's right.  I can only name Kelly as a traded SP who would be an upgrade to Taillon etc.   The others are all meh or worse or significantly flawed in some way.   The Brewers aren't trading us Cortes.

Alcantara, Cabrera, Gore, Ryan, Cease, Suarez etc.  None of these guys were moved.   SP, and especially good controllable SP, are at such a premium now that maybe teams are holding on to them or asking the world.

Reality is Soroka is one of the better SP that were traded in the last 48 hrs.   Jed did fine.

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6 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

He doesn't need to do much more. If his season ended today, it would be his second best offensive season per wRC+ ever. He's half a win away from his best season ever. 

Tucker's been a dude this year. He's basically got to avoid a season ending injury for this to be the best full season of Kyle Tucker ever.

Be great if he starts to heat up soon, most especially vs. the Brewers.  I believe Kyle Tucker is the best player in the NL Central and can carry the Cubs.

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Just now, gflore34 said:

Be great if he starts to heat up soon, most especially vs. the Brewers.  I believe Kyle Tucker is the best player in the NL Central and can carry the Cubs.

Yeah, he's a dude. I hope he gets going too. 

As much as today was kind of a bummer, the Cubs can still make a fun year. I'm hoping that's the case.

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9 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I'm sure Adrian Hauser is a nice guy, but frankly. glad that didn't happen at this stage. Let's say it was like a Will Sanders going back the other way. I don't think Hauser really changes the math for the 2025 Cubs at this point and I'd rather just have Sanders, even if I think he's like a Colin Rea or an Adrian Hauser later on in his career.

Really glad they didn't trade for Hauser.  Didn't some who has access to the data state Hauser' peripherals were suggesting a downturn in performance was only a question of when, not if? 

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2 hours ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

Jed would order a Plain pizza with no toppings to offset the delivery fee, use a $5 off coupon to cover the tip for a full stomach at an acceptable price.

Jed would make a homemade pizza using ingredients he grew from his ****** garden. 

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7 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Jed said on Marquee that none of the controllable SP moved, and hardly any of the good rental SP moved.  He's right.  I can only name Kelly as a traded SP who would be an upgrade to Taillon etc.   The others are all meh or worse or significantly flawed in some way.   The Brewers aren't trading us Cortes.

Alcantara, Cabrera, Gore, Ryan, Cease, Suarez etc.  None of these guys were moved.   SP, and especially good controllable SP, are at such a premium now that maybe teams are holding on to them or asking the world.

Reality is Soroka is one of the better SP that were traded in the last 48 hrs.   Jed did fine.

Then he should have built a bullpen of doom like the Mets and padres did. We’re a top 5 team in baseball with a pitching staff that is by all metrics average to below average, not to mention stretched to its limit, and we didn’t move a single top ten guy in the system, even though at least a few are at AAA and blocked through next year. Coming back from the market with almost all your cash still in your pocket certainly lets you complain about the prices, but you’re still coming home without the things you need. 

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My main concern with not getting another quality starter is it going to be rough in the postseason after Imanaga and Boyd because im not sure how much they're going to be able to rely on both Tailon and Soroka to get them enough innings and keep them in their games without burning through the bullpen. 

I mean right now I have little confidence with them getting past a first round series, let alone two.

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5 minutes ago, Randall Simon said:

I'm worried that Caissie not getting traded is a sign that the FO is less than confident they can resign Tucker.  And today's fumble didn't help any.  

I'm not worried about reading much into it. Jed Hoyer lives in a world of black and white valuation. This will apply for Tucker and Caissie. 

It means that I don't think this has much to do with Tucker in and of itself, but at the same time, it also means Jed will draw a line in the sand and likely won't jump it in December.

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1 hour ago, Stratos said:

1% before, 1% now.   A tiger who loves money doesn't change its stripes.

This is ridiculous. Just negative to be negative. Even if he wants top dollar it is more than a 1% chance. I am frustrated too, but stop being negative just to be negative. 

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4 minutes ago, Randall Simon said:

I'm worried that Caissie not getting traded is a sign that the FO is less than confident they can resign Tucker.  And today's fumble didn't help any.  

I’d rather be overjoyed at the unexpected resigning of Tucker than disappointed with losing him, when the scales seem heavily weighted towards losing him anyway.

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As many have said, today wasn't a total loss Pressly was released, that's certainly addition by subtraction.  I think it's obvious Pressly was cooked.

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2 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Then he should have built a bullpen of doom like the Mets and padres did. We’re a top 5 team in baseball with a pitching staff that is by all metrics average to below average, not to mention stretched to its limit, and we didn’t move a single top ten guy in the system, even though at least a few are at AAA and blocked through next year. Coming back from the market with almost all your cash still in your pocket certainly lets you complain about the prices, but you’re still coming home without the things you need. 

Gallagher was something like 8th on our list according to MLB.com

Yeah maybe they could have acquired another pen upgrade.   I like Kittredge.  Our pitching is absolutely below-average, it's 25th in xFIP and fWAR.   Our gloves are saving its butt.

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6 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I'm not worried about reading much into it. Jed Hoyer lives in a world of black and white valuation. This will apply for Tucker and Caissie. 

It means that I don't think this has much to do with Tucker in and of itself, but at the same time, it also means Jed will draw a line in the sand and likely won't jump it in December.

Imagine being Caissie right now….i bet he has a monster rest of the season

 

 

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i was pissed today but I'm reading GMs are saying the cost for starting pitching was just too high. If we would have gave up the farm everyone would be upset so I guess we roll with what we have and hope for the best.

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14 minutes ago, Randall Simon said:

I'm worried that Caissie not getting traded is a sign that the FO is less than confident they can resign Tucker.  And today's fumble didn't help any.  

I think it absolutely is a tell. But I'm not worried...kid looks like a stud from all appearances. Make no mistake, Tom won't fork over 400-500 mil for Tucker and I'm not so sure he should frankly. Screws up the salary structure of the whole team. 

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