Mariners (Hancock) vs Cubs (Horton): 6/21/25, 1:20pm

[gflore34]

Time to score at least one run hopefully, multiple runs.

[Rcal10]

1 minute ago, cubfansince77 said:

Real good post and points JR....just wish we wouldn't have given up SO much for a guy that it's a long shot to re-sign. Bums me right out.

They gave up what they had to give up. If Amith becomes a star, so be it. He was a top 50-70 prospect when traded. You have to give up something to get something. Parades didn’t hit here and wouldn’t be putting up here what he is in Houston. And again, you have to give up something good to get a top 10 player in the game. 

[Jason Ross]

8 minutes ago, cubfansince77 said:

Real good post and points JR....just wish we wouldn't have given up SO much for a guy that it's a long shot to re-sign. Bums me right out.

I know everyone is super down on signing him back...sneaky feeling it gets done. I don't know. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think the Cubs will come to the conclusion that this is the guy to go all in on. 

We'll see. I've been wrong...oh man, so many times (he says trying to find any post from 2021 defending Burl Carroway's control and that he'd get it together just to make sure it's scrubbed from the internet)...just a hunch here.

At least, I'll say this; I think we gave up fair amounts. Really you can boil it down to Parades, Smith and Wesneski. Or in other words, Morel, Bigge, Smith and Wesneski. Morel has been terrible, Wes had TJS, Bigge looks like a good reliever (but not as good as his first run - hope he's okay after the scare!) and Smith has had his first good run in the pros, but I'm still kind of bearish on him. I think we'll be okay even if we don't keep Tuck,

[Rcal10]

16 minutes ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

How much bigger of a market will there be for him over Vlad Jr who signed a $500 million contract when you’re talking about the difference between a 26 and 29 YO? 

For the record, I don’t think he gets $500M either. But we don’t know. I just think you tried finding something negative to say when you suggested he never had a year with a WAR over 6. So wanted to point out that in his last 150+ games his WAR is over 7. This is the wrong threat for this discussion anyway. 

[BKHoo]

That should have been an error. SMH. 

[soccer10k]

11 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Can we not let the lead off man on every inning

Did a pretty good job of that yesterday and it didn't go too well. Cubs clearly trying a different approach today.

[Geographyhater8888]

15 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

One is an OF'er and the other is a DH, Tucker has 20 extra points of wRC+ and is a far better runner too. The age here, is doing a lot of work for the contract, but one of them is clearly the better player.

I suspect more teams will be interested in Tucker because he's more versatile. I also suspect he will make less than Vlad on the back end, at least in terms of total dollars. Less years = less $$$$ overall.

Correct. Tucker is better but he’ll be penalized for his age and not to the degree that he’ll make more than Vlad. I would think $450 million tops but someone might go above and beyond due to the lack of any other big time bats on the market.

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

I know everyone is super down on signing him back...sneaky feeling it gets done. I don't know. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think the Cubs will come to the conclusion that this is the guy to go all in on. 

We'll see. I've been wrong...oh man, so many times (he says trying to find any post from 2021 defending Burl Carroway's control and that he'd get it together just to make sure it's scrubbed from the internet)...just a hunch here.

At least, I'll say this; I think we gave up fair amounts. Really you can boil it down to Parades, Smith and Wesneski. Or in other words, Morel, Bigge, Smith and Wesneski. More has been terrible, Wes had TJS, Bigge looks like a good reliever (but not as good as his first run - hope he's okay after the scare!) and Smith has had his first good run in the pros, but I'm still kind of bearish on him. I think we'll be okay even if we don't keep Tuck,

I’m with you on this. But maybe I am too optimistic too. I think they keep him long term. At the very least they will give it a good effort. I think it gets done. 

[Geographyhater8888]

1 minute ago, Rcal10 said:

For the record, I don’t think he gets $500M either. But we don’t know. I just think you tried finding something negative to say when you suggested he never had a year with a WAR over 6. So wanted to point out that in his last 150+ games his WAR is over 7. This is the wrong threat for this discussion anyway. 

I’m not knocking him, I’m trying to convince myself he’ll be a Cub for the next decade or so than anything.

[Rcal10]

Just now, Geographyhater8888 said:

I’m not knocking him, I’m trying to convince myself he’ll be a Cub for the next decade or so than anything.

👍

[Jason Ross]

Just now, Geographyhater8888 said:

Correct. Tucker is better but he’ll be penalized for his age and not to the degree that he’ll make more than Vlad. I would think $450 million tops but someone might go above and beyond due to the lack of any other big time bats on the market.

It could be! But I'll say this; I think any contract that starts with a 5 or a 6 for Tucker will be heavily laden with differed money. Real world value probably is between $425-$475m. 

[Rcal10]

3 minutes ago, BKHoo said:

That should have been an error. SMH. 

I agree. Bad throw by Dansby. But I have seen Busch pick worse throws. 

[Hot Sauce]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I’m with you on this. But maybe I am too optimistic too. I think they keep him long term. At the very least they will give it a good effort. I think it gets done. 

I am also on team optimism. 

[BKHoo]

Yep Nico would rather ground out than get a walk. SMH. 

[Geographyhater8888]

1 minute ago, Jason Ross said:

It could be! But I'll say this; I think any contract that starts with a 5 or a 6 for Tucker will be heavily laden with differed money. Real world value probably is between $425-$475m. 

This offseason will tell us a lot about how serious ownership is about winning.

[Derwood]

2 minutes ago, BKHoo said:

Yep Nico would rather ground out than get a walk. SMH. 

And he's gotta do his bobblehead thing when he swings at ball four (lol)

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

This offseason will tell us a lot about how serious ownership is about winning.

My hope is that Ricketts doesn't really care much about how the money is spent, and cares more about the total number of the budget is. I think Hoyer would sign Tucker to a big contract.

[Hot Sauce]

Dansby, I love your defense. 

[Rcal10]

1 minute ago, Jason Ross said:

My hope is that Ricketts doesn't really care much about how the money is spent, and cares more about the total number of the budget is. I think Hoyer would sign Tucker to a big contract.

My admittedly overly optimistic scenerio would be at the ASB the Cubs have a press conference where they announce they extended Hoyer, PCA and Tucker. What a way to start the last 60-70 games of the season. 

[Hot Sauce]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

My admittedly overly optimistic scenerio would be at the ASB the Cubs have a press conference where they announce they extended Hoyer, PCA and Tucker. What a way to start the last 60-70 games of the season. 

This is quite the dream scenario but I’m down with it! 

[Eeyore]

It's obvious that none of their mommies brought orange slices for them.

[Jason Ross]

It's hot out there today, but guy behind the plate ain't got his best stuff on the strikes and balls today.

[Soul]

This is the “it’s hot as hell and I need a shower” strike zone.

[Eeyore]

That's about as animated as I've ever seen The Zuki

Edited June 21, 2025 by Eeyore

[profisme]

Just now, Eeyore said:

That's about as animated that I've ever seen The Zuki

And none of the strike calls were egregious.