Bears week 12 vs Vikings Sunday at noon on FOX

[gflore34]

Can someone who knows football more than I please explain the logic behind Eberflus' defensive approach in high leverage situations?  I really do not understand rushing 4 + soft zone allowing easy completions, he did at Detroit last season, against the Packers, yesterday, etc. maybe, they're being aggressive and I can't see it.

Edited November 25, 2024 by gflore34

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

I don't know if it's just that every coach makes idiotic decisions all game long and I don't notice, or if Eberflus is just the exception to the rule, but his incompetence all game long now is just staggering. Maybe I'm just looking for reasons to think he's really just this incompetent, or he really is this bad. To me, there is just no way you can let him finish the season. I get not doing it now on the short week, but holy crap it can't get much worse than it is now. 

The Bears defense in OT was playing defense like a team up two scores and just trying to keep the plays in front of them to run out the clock. At the very least, they looked like a team thinking that regardless of what the Vikings did on their series, that Chicago would get another chance with the football.

To MinnesotaCubFan. Dude, this is NOT Caleb's time. No rookie QB in the history of Super Bowls has ever taken their team to the big game, let alone won it. And I'm sorry, but Caleb did put his team in a position to win late multiple times. It's not his fault that management decided to prevent his comeback from actually being successful.

The Bears were a half inch out of bounds (Keenan Allen's challenged catch) from absolutely scoring on that series. The muffed punt never should have happened, and it clearly led to another score for the Vikings. The Bears played well enough to win this game, but coaching stood in the way once again. No, coaching had nothing to do with Keenan not being completely in bounds on that catch or the muffed punt or the blocked field goal, but coaching haunted this team in so many other ways that I absolutely put all of the blame directly on them.

This team is poorly coached in every aspect of the game. They are second in the league in pre-snap penalties. Other teams get away over and over again with roughing up our receivers and QB's and the calls don't seem to ever reciprocate in the Bears favor. Eberflus couldn't win a challenge if he had 100% evidence the wrong/right call was made. His use of clock management is laughable, and he stores timeouts like a squirrel hiding nuts for the winter at times he should use them, then wastes them at times when he desperately needs them. 

There has been enough said casually by the players that they've had enough, so to not even have the players in your corner says all that needs to be said. 

I really like Poles, and I was hoping that his decisions turned this franchise into a winning one. He chose Eberflus as his head coach, and he stuck with him at a time when a clean slate might have been a better choice with a potential franchise QB walking in the door. I don't think he can be the guy to make the next choice. And I really don't think I have any faith that the decision makers can find the right people to do the job. 

 

It's got to be a case of succeeding despite themselves, somehow the right coach has to fall in their laps.  Their due diligence always results in failure, I don't it's possible to overcome that expect by sheer luck.

[BigbadB]

7 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Can someone who knows football more than I please explain the logic behind Eberflus' defensive approach in high leverage situations?  I really do not understand rushing 4 + soft zone allowing easy completions, he did at Detroit last season, against the Packers, yesterday, etc. maybe, they're being aggression and I can't see it.

It works during the game with clock not being a factor, or a close game. His defense is the same old bend but don't break concept that has kept the scoring to a minimum most of the time. But, that's about the only thing I can defend at this point. There are very clearly times when you need to disrupt the rhythm of the opposing QB, and he never seems to scheme the necessary plays to do that.

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

It works during the game with clock not being a factor, or a close game. His defense is the same old bend but don't break concept that has kept the scoring to a minimum most of the time. But, that's about the only thing I can defend at this point. There are very clearly times when you need to disrupt the rhythm of the opposing QB, and he never seems to scheme the necessary plays to do that.

Most especially against Love and Darnold, their not all that great and can be had with pressure, maybe, someone should inform Eberflus.

[Derwood]

9 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

The throws Caleb made to Swift down the sideline and then to Moore to set up the tying FG are about as good of throws as I have seen a Bears QB make. 

Caleb made 5 throws in this game alone that were better than any throw I saw Fields or Trubisky make

[Derwood]

Rookie QB comparison:

ROOKIE #1: 2614 YDS, 68.4%, 12 TD, 5 INT
ROOKIE #2: 2548 YDS, 64.9%, 16 TD, 6 INT
ROOKIE #3: 2356 YDS, 62.6%, 11 TD, 5 INT

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

29 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Rookie QB comparison:

ROOKIE #1: 2614 YDS, 68.4%, 12 TD, 5 INT
ROOKIE #2: 2548 YDS, 64.9%, 16 TD, 6 INT
ROOKIE #3: 2356 YDS, 62.6%, 11 TD, 5 INT

 

Nix

daniels

williams?

[gflore34]

1 hour ago, Derwood said:

Rookie QB comparison:

ROOKIE #1: 2614 YDS, 68.4%, 12 TD, 5 INT
ROOKIE #2: 2548 YDS, 64.9%, 16 TD, 6 INT
ROOKIE #3: 2356 YDS, 62.6%, 11 TD, 5 INT

 

If the Bears had an OC tailoring the offense, as Brown seems to be doing, to Caleb' strengths from the start. He'd be kicking the horsefeathers out of Nix and Daniels, I don't have single doubt, with better coaching, Caleb will ultimately be the best QB out of Daniels, Nix and Maye.  Now it's up to Bears to luck into the right coach.

[Brian707]

There has to be a non zero chance that Eberflus is gone on black Friday assuming they get their ass kicked on Thanksgiving?

Shannahan, I doubt is leaving SF and even if he did Ginny and the cheapskate family would never want to pay him ala Harbaugh

Johnson is going to have his pick at any job he wants. Why would he pick a division rival that has to play Detroit 2 x a year and is dysfunctional from the top all the way down?

Besides George Hallas and John Fox I don't think the Bears have ever hired a coach who wasn't a first time head coach so that probably rules out Stefanski too.

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Brian707 said:

There has to be a non zero chance that Eberflus is gone on black Friday assuming they get their ass kicked on Thanksgiving?

Shannahan, I doubt is leaving SF and even if he did Ginny and the cheapskate family would never want to pay him ala Harbaugh

Johnson is going to have his pick at any job he wants. Why would he pick a division rival that has to play Detroit 2 x a year and is dysfunctional from the top all the way down?

Besides George Hallas and John Fox I don't think the Bears have ever hired a coach who wasn't a first time head coach so that probably rules out Stefanski too.

I'd take the Bears because of Caleb, the talent and potential are there, just needs an improvement in coaching.  You fix that and I'll take my chances against Detroit, Green Bay and Minnesota.

[CubinNY]

1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

I'd take the Bears because of Caleb, the talent and potential are there, just needs an improvement in coaching.  You fix that and I'll take my chances against Detroit, Green Bay and Minnesota.

The right coaching staff and the Bears are probably a playoff contender. 

[gflore34]

16 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

The right coaching staff and the Bears are probably a playoff contender. 

Most definitely, almost any coach would have helped lead the Bears to a win in the games against the Commanders, Packers, Vikings and Patriots/Cardinals.  It's not rocket surgery, as we've seen, it takes a special kind of ineptness to lose games a manner like the Bears.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Eberflus blitzes in late game situations way more often than people think he does 

[Brian707]

Odds on the Bears HC in 2025

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

4 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Can someone who knows football more than I please explain the logic behind Eberflus' defensive approach in high leverage situations?  I really do not understand rushing 4 + soft zone allowing easy completions, he did at Detroit last season, against the Packers, yesterday, etc. maybe, they're being aggressive and I can't see it.

First, they send blitzes way more often than people think in those situations.   And they get burned on them a lot late, because blitzing is a high-risk play. The biggest play allowed against the Packers, the diving catch the guy got a fingertip under, came on a blitz.  We had some blitzes late yesterday too. The game against Detroit he was blitzing pretty consistently on the losing drives.

Rush four, 7 zone in coverage is still the best defensive play in football. There's a good reason it's the base defense of almost everyone. It's not a "soft" zone, every zone just looks soft when it gets passed completed on it.  You aren't going to run very much man against a WR group like the Vikings, they'd destroy you.

if you want to win the game in these situations, you need a pass rush that can get there with four.  3+ seconds for darnold to sit there unbothered is just too long.  I blame Poles' outside-in approach to defense way more than I do the defensive playcalling.

But as always, screw defense, the best way to win that game would have been for the offense to score on their possession.  I'm not mad at Williams because he made a rookie mistake taking that sack, but that's how you win long-term in this league 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

At this point I hope eberflus gets fired just so we can move past "everything is coaching and nothing matters until he's fired" discourse 

[Tryptamine]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

Odds on the Bears HC in 2025

 

I can't believe how many people are ready to hand Thomas Brown the HC position based on 2 games. I could see potentially OC, if the new HC wants him, but head coach? How desperate are these people for any modicum of success?

[jersey cubs fan]

18 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I can't believe how many people are ready to hand Thomas Brown the HC position based on 2 games. I could see potentially OC, if the new HC wants him, but head coach? How desperate are these people for any modicum of success?

I cannot imagine a scenario where a new head coach retains the old interim OC and anybody is remotely happy. 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, jersey cubs fan said:

I cannot imagine a scenario where a new head coach retains the old interim OC and anybody is remotely happy. 

Probably true, and I'd 100% let the new HC choose his own staff. I was simply saying, if the new HC did, by chance, keep him as the OC I wouldn't mind.

[Thurman Merman]

2 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Odds on the Bears HC in 2025

 

Want to know how I know a meatball bears fan made that list? Not one super fan knows how to spell Josh McCowns name.

[UMFan83]

6 hours ago, CubinNY said:

The right coaching staff and the Bears are probably a playoff contender. 

Absolutely...this team should easily be 6-5 or 7-4 right now.  Last year's team could have easily won 8 or 9 games.  The Bears have punted on the last 2 seasons because we have a scared little bitch manning the sidelines.  Kyle doesn't agree of course...I'm not saying the team is perfect but they have enough talent to be a playoff contender and our little bitch ass coach is holding us back and wasting years of our lives when we've been waiting so long to have an ounce of pride about our football team.

[UMFan83]

What is this gibberish?  BTW that whole thing was stupid and not really Eberflus's fault.  there was indisputable evidence but somehow werent allowed to use it in the interest of fairness because all 30 stadiums don't have that camera angle installed.  Who cares?  Soldier Field does, and that replay showed he stepped out of bounds.  Why screw the Bears over due to a technicality?

But Eberflus's explanation still sounds ridiculously dumb.

Edited November 25, 2024 by UMFan83

[BigbadB]

12 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

What is this gibberish?  BTW that whole thing was stupid and not really Eberflus's fault.  there was indisputable evidence but somehow werent allowed to use it in the interest of fairness because all 30 stadiums don't have that camera angle installed.  Who cares?  Soldier Field does, and that replay showed he stepped out of bounds.  Why screw the Bears over due to a technicality?

But Eberflus's explanation still sounds ridiculously dumb.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing. What does Denver or SoFi or any other stadium not having boundary cameras have anything to do with cameras in Soldier that don't benefit/hinder either team one way or another. If you have a camera to make the right call, USE IT! It just continues to be a huge embarrassment to the NFL that college can make the right calls in real time and the NFL has unwritten rules and limitations on challenging calls by the referees. That plus the down time, which was kind of the whole point of limiting challenges. They sometimes take forever to make a call.

[BigbadB]

16 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I cannot imagine a scenario where a new head coach retains the old interim OC and anybody is remotely happy. 

yeah, I don't see how that happens, either. However, I could see a scenario where Caleb develops such a strong bond with Thomas Brown that he ends up taking over. I'm not hating that comparisons of Brown's coaching style is reminiscent of Mike Tomlin's style. Not sure who is making those comparisons, but it's nice to hear in the event the top names don't become available.

 

[gflore34]

Saw a replay of the DJ to Rome pass attempt, good arm by DJ, holy horsefeathers was that DPI, wasn't questionable, just flat out blatant, didn't see Eberflus' reaction, guessing there was a feeble attempt at a complaint.  I'd like to understand why it's OK to mug Bears' receivers this year, just like it was OK to head hunt Fields last year.

Edited November 26, 2024 by gflore34