Chicago Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

53 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

 A lot of stuff there. 

 

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

1 hour ago, BigbadB said:

Yikes. Good thing I'm retired. I'd be late for work after reading that article. A lot of really good stuff there. 

 

Would you mind pasting it here?

[minnesotacubsfan]

nvm

Edited February 2, 2024 by minnesotacubsfan

[Wilson A2000]

Has Colin Cowherd ever been right?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 hours ago, BigbadB said:

Yikes. Good thing I'm retired. I'd be late for work after reading that article. A lot of really good stuff there. 

 

The falcons one is the only one that's even *close* to enough to grab my attention, and even then i would still rather just make the pick 

Edited February 2, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Brian707]

Yeah I don't know why they keep pushing this narrative with Williams not wanting to come to Chicago. Although Cowherd is the first semi legit source to make that comment. Today he is walking it back.

Edited February 2, 2024 by Brian707

[BigSlick]

It's a very annoying narrative that appears to have very little or zero substance behind it. 

I get that there's like 2.5 months before the draft, but people can't let boredom and lazy narratives drive them into irresponsible journalism. 

[jersey cubs fan]

I don’t get why people think it doesn’t make sense that a qb would not want to come to Chicago 

[WrigleyField 22]

2 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The falcons one is the only one that's even *close* to enough to grab my attention, and even then i would still rather just make the pick 

Funny enough someone I know from another forum tagged me about that article on Twitter.  

So I was curious and ran it through OverTheCap's trade value calculator instead, including using their 1.1 QB value instead of Barnwell's "Let's assign Jared Goff value" method.

The result ended up flipping the entire analysis to a surplus for the Caleb route.

 

Now I don't think either of those are particularly strong data points.  It's a lot of nerd circle jerking to try and quantify expected value out of something with so many variable inputs and assumptions.

 

Also I can't stand the efficiency-stanning.  Like it's cool one side is theoretucally x more efficient, but the actual cost difference is still huge too. You'd still have tons of cap space to do non efficient team building and add production to Caleb whereas as soon as a hypothetical Fields extension hits, belt tightening is probably coming behind (especially with what Poles has shown us). I don't know how much a 2026 draft pick helps that.

 

But anyways of his hypothetical trades, I'd take the NE one over ATL one and be extremely happy to walk away with MHJ than possibly miss all three of the top 3 WR at 8.

 

I also think you could squeeze a 2026 FRP from Giants, even if it meant swapping one of the seconds for like a 3rd or 4th.  I'd definitely do that 1st and I don't think is totally unrealistic.  But yea, that's all assuming you are out on Caleb for some reason. 

Edited February 2, 2024 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

55 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I don’t get why people think it doesn’t make sense that a qb would not want to come to Chicago 

Too many negatives in this sentence.  I actually keep second guessing if I know what you're saying.

[Wilson A2000]

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Too many negatives in this sentence.  I actually keep second guessing if I know what you're saying.

You don't not know what he's not saying.

[jersey cubs fan]

2 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Too many negatives in this sentence.  I actually keep second guessing if I know what you're saying.

Some people think it’s ridiculous to think a young qb wouldn’t want to go to Chicago. I think those people are naive. 

[Outshined_One]

1 hour ago, Wilson A2000 said:

 

I'm sure the Friends of the Park would be thrilled at this prospect after the Lucas Film Museum fiasco. Then again, most of those people were just douche canoes who didn't want to give up their parking spots for Bears game days.

The fact that the Arlington purchase hasn't been painted as an abject debacle by more people in the media still amazes me. They spent over $100m with zero due diligence and are basically stuck with a vacant lot and no meaningful exit strategy.

[minnesotacubsfan]

41 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

 They spent over $100m with zero due diligence and are basically stuck with a vacant lot and no meaningful exit strategy.

wrong. developmental potential of large, easily accessible plots of land like the Arlington site is always worth investing in. The McCaskeys may break even on the investment, but barring a major economic downturn, they'll be fine.

[Brian707]

50 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Some people think it’s ridiculous to think a young qb wouldn’t want to go to Chicago. I think those people are naive. 

Nobody is saying that, there is little to no solid evidence that Caleb does not want to come here.

We all know of the Bears horrible history with QBs

 

[jersey cubs fan]

9 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Nobody is saying that, there is little to no solid evidence that Caleb does not want to come here.

We all know of the Bears horrible history with QBs

 

Lots of people have said it. 
 

I’ve read multiple variations of “but the current iteration of the bears has nothing to do with past teams” 

 

it’s just terribly naive. This is still a team run by a defensive head coach with a mediocre OC and it is very likely the staff will be gone within 2 years. There is no offensive infrastructure in place and no hopes of one being built without a superstar qb doing it on his own. 
 

as for the evidence, it’s been rumored all season long that he’d avoid a bad situation. The bears are a bad situation for young QBs. It’s a plausible story. My objection is to the people saying it is implausible. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

22 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Lots of people have said it. 
 

I’ve read multiple variations of “but the current iteration of the bears has nothing to do with past teams” 

 

it’s just terribly naive. This is still a team run by a defensive head coach with a mediocre OC and it is very likely the staff will be gone within 2 years. There is no offensive infrastructure in place and no hopes of one being built without a superstar qb doing it on his own. 
 

as for the evidence, it’s been rumored all season long that he’d avoid a bad situation. The bears are a bad situation for young QBs. It’s a plausible story. My objection is to the people saying it is implausible. 

100%

 

 

[Thusly Boned]

I was listening to the Parkins and Spiegel bit with Cowherd just a while ago, and while it was an excruciating listen, the takeaway seemed to be this: 

Williams and his camp have concerns about the Bears, but won't pull and Eli/Elway and refuse to play if drafted.

And honestly, anyone in his position would be an absolute fool to not have major concerns, as the franchise has done an almost inexplicable job of screwing the pooch throughout their recent history, and particularly their very recent history, and especially with regard to their offense/QB.

Plus they have a defensive HC who could end up on the hot seat very easily, so it's totally within the realm of possibility that he would end up in the same position Fields was in having a new staff within his first year.

But that doesn't mean he would flat out refuse to play for the Bears. I'd bet that he will, and that they Bears will draft him. But if I were him, the prospect would make me a little queasy.

 

[CubinNY]

15 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

I was listening to the Parkins and Spiegel bit with Cowherd just a while ago, and while it was an excruciating listen, the takeaway seemed to be this: 

Williams and his camp have concerns about the Bears, but won't pull and Eli/Elway and refuse to play if drafted.

And honestly, anyone in his position would be an absolute fool to not have major concerns, as the franchise has done an almost inexplicable job of screwing the pooch throughout their recent history, and particularly their very recent history, and especially with regard to their offense/QB.

Plus they have a defensive HC who could end up on the hot seat very easily, so it's totally within the realm of possibility that he would end up in the same position Fields was in having a new staff within his first year.

But that doesn't mean he would flat out refuse to play for the Bears. I'd bet that he will, and that they Bears will draft him. But if I were him, the prospect would make me a little queasy.

 

With this group who could blame him. They’re in the almost the same position they were in 4 years ago. The only thing that’s changed is the last name of the GM. 

[Outshined_One]

2 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

wrong. developmental potential of large, easily accessible plots of land like the Arlington site is always worth investing in. The McCaskeys may break even on the investment, but barring a major economic downturn, they'll be fine.

The Bears are not a real estate investment consortium. They aren't in the business of buying, developing, and flipping property. They bought a massive parcel of land with substantial carrying costs and already paid the demo costs. They bought a massive piece of real estate without securing any deals whatsoever in terms of real estate tax relief and development. And now, everyone on the planet knows they're desperate to sell.

It's a debacle.

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

The Bears are not a real estate investment consortium. They aren't in the business of buying, developing, and flipping property. They bought a massive parcel of land with substantial carrying costs and already paid the demo costs. They bought a massive piece of real estate without securing any deals whatsoever in terms of real estate tax relief and development. And now, everyone on the planet knows they're desperate to sell.

It's a debacle.

Big deals like that rarely go bad in recent past

 

theyll be fine. As much as I’d love them to take one on the chin, that likely won’t happen

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

54 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

The Bears are not a real estate investment consortium. They aren't in the business of buying, developing, and flipping property. They bought a massive parcel of land with substantial carrying costs and already paid the demo costs. They bought a massive piece of real estate without securing any deals whatsoever in terms of real estate tax relief and development. And now, everyone on the planet knows they're desperate to sell.

It's a debacle.

Yeah. No. If they were a random couple with a small net worth leveraging their future for a chance to flip a lot, you’d be right. But the McCaskeys will be fine with the ultimate resolution of this transaction. 

[WrigleyField 22]

Well it's probably equally naive to believe any team holding that #1 wouldn't have big concerns.

[jersey cubs fan]

7 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Well it's probably equally naive to believe any team holding that #1 wouldn't have big concerns.

What?