The end is nigh, Cardinals @ Bears

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2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Has anyone from the Dolphins been talked about as a potential for the Bears inevitable open OC slot? I know they have Tyreek and Waddle, but whoever was in charge of Tua made some miracles happen.

Mike McDaniel, their head coach and playcaller gets most of the credit for Tua. Their OC could leave for a lateral move with a chance to call plays, but there's no guarantee he knows what he's doing.

Somewhat interestingly, Darrell Bevell is their QB coach. He's been around for ever but is only 53. He's famous for being Brett Favre's QB coach and OC in GB and Minnesota. He was also Russell Wilson's OC in the Seahawks Superbowl years. He also was the OC for Urban Meyer in Jacksonville and a couple years with Stafford in Detroit. I wouldn't want him as an OC with a new coaching staff, but if you're going to lame duck head coach this thing, Bevell and Bienemy are probably as good as you're going to get for OC.

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20 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Re: Getsy

I think 90% of coaches are Just A Guy and he's one of them. You might as well fire him and hope you can find one of the 10% who are running innovative offenses that happen to attack the NFL meta in a useful way.  But it probably won't change anything, just like firing Nagy didn't.

If you wanna ding him or eberflus for the missed assignments and general confusion operating the offense, we did have too many of those (although they did go down noticeably when claypool was cut.)

But most of the complaints about him are just generic fan chatter with a touch of fields cope.

I could go to 25 different teams' forums right now and find the same complaints that are either so vague that it's impossible to avoid (you're either "too predictable" or "calling plays that don't make sense for the situation" but it's impossible to dodge both at the same time) or just straight up asking for things that won't work consistently in the NFL or their personnel can't execute.  And every time a short yardage call fails anywhere in the NFL, a fan complains about how stupid it was to run inside/run outside/pass and obviously they just needed to run inside/run outside/pass instead.

We've absolutely run different game plans and schemes this season at different times to try to adjust for the defenses we were facing.  The Denver, Minnesota and Cleveland game plans were noticeably different from each other.  The Bagent game plans were visibly different from the fields.game plans.

Offensive coaches will keep being run out of town as idiots until we get an actually good QB.

 

An OC with a stud QB is a future head coach, whether they actually made the player better or not

More correlation than causation 

 

[UK]

Any thoughts on Jerrod Johnson (current QB coach for Houston and former QB for Cousins) as a possible future OC?

[We Got The Whole 9]

15 hours ago, raw said:

Mike McDaniel, their head coach and playcaller gets most of the credit for Tua. Their OC could leave for a lateral move with a chance to call plays, but there's no guarantee he knows what he's doing.

Somewhat interestingly, Darrell Bevell is their QB coach. He's been around for ever but is only 53. He's famous for being Brett Favre's QB coach and OC in GB and Minnesota. He was also Russell Wilson's OC in the Seahawks Superbowl years. He also was the OC for Urban Meyer in Jacksonville and a couple years with Stafford in Detroit. I wouldn't want him as an OC with a new coaching staff, but if you're going to lame duck head coach this thing, Bevell and Bienemy are probably as good as you're going to get for OC.

Bevell is a great example of the grass is always greener sort of example Kyle brought up with OCs. Seahawks fans bitched about that dude incessantly on this other board I used to post at. 

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43 minutes ago, UK said:

Any thoughts on Jerrod Johnson (current QB coach for Houston and former QB for Cousins) as a possible future OC?

I’m obviously partial here with Johnson being a fellow Aggie but he’s building quite a resume already. I’d be all for giving him a shot to run the offense. 

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9 hours ago, UK said:

Any thoughts on Jerrod Johnson (current QB coach for Houston and former QB for Cousins) as a possible future OC?

He's an up and coming OC. Long-term, he's an excellent candidate. But honestly, I think the only real options are: 

Keep Flus, get a veteran OC or Get rid of Flus and hire an offensive playcaller as HC. 

I actually wouldn't hate a young defensive coach like Mike Macdonald the Ravens 36-year old DC if he brought in a young hot shot OC with him. Coincedentally, Jerrod Johnson was a Ravens backup a few years ago with MacDonald also with the team so there's clear ties there.

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

[Rex Buckingham]

My takeaway of that chart is that if you have a bad QB, you probably rank pretty low as a playcaller

[Ding Dong Johnson]

1 hour ago, Rex Buckingham said:

My takeaway of that chart is that if you have a bad QB, you probably rank pretty low as a playcaller

Art takes it to a new level.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cairo Santos signed to extension, 4/16. Seems like a fairly appropriate contract for a good but not great kicker. 

[Tryptamine]

If NBC Chicago is to be believed, the Bears have discussed giving up draft picks to hire Mike Tomlin. I cannot tell you how much I would hate this.

[Soul]

Interesting week.  The better outcome for us is for the Bears to lose and the Packers to win.

So of course I’ll be rooting for the opposite.  Irrational but it is what it is.

[Tryptamine]

43 minutes ago, Soul said:

Interesting week.  The better outcome for us is for the Bears to lose and the Packers to win.

So of course I’ll be rooting for the opposite.  Irrational but it is what it is.

I'm pulling for the win as a result of a good Fields performance. I'd prefer he maximizes his trade value.

[gflore34]

15 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I'm pulling for the win as a result of a good Fields performance. I'd prefer he maximizes his trade value.

Agreed, given the conditions and Arizona being weak against the run, I'd expect quite a bit of designed QB runs and hand-offs.  Should soften them up for deep shots with Mooney and preferably, Scott.

Beyond his other flaws I'd say the toughest to deal with is Fields' inconsistency, it's the only factor Getsy has in his defense.  While Getsy has been terrible at putting Fields in a position to succeed, I acknowledge it's very difficult to do with someone who cannot be counted on to execute.  One series Fields will look good, execute, next series deer-in-headlights taking ****** sacks.  Think all it's going to be with Fields is flashes.

[NorthsideAvenger]

16 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

If NBC Chicago is to be believed, the Bears have discussed giving up draft picks to hire Mike Tomlin. I cannot tell you how much I would hate this.

I'm still butthurt about Chase Claypool, so I prefer no dealing with Pittsburgh for awhile. With that said....NO to trading picks for a coach. Total waste of assets, imo. 

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As for the QB decision, what if Poles does not like Williams/Maye?

 

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

No to Tomlin.

 

Also I sense an upset, AZ 27-24

[UMFan83]

19 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

No to Tomlin.

 

Also I sense an upset, AZ 27-24

I can understand not wanting to trade draft picks but outright saying no to a coach who has coached for 17 years and has never had a losing season and made the playoffs 10 times seems odd for a team that has 11 losing seasons over the last 17 years.  Not sure if he’d be my top choice and not sure I’m willing to give up draft picks for him but I wouldn’t hate him being our coach at all

[Wilson A2000]

17 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

If NBC Chicago is to be believed, the Bears have discussed giving up draft picks to hire Mike Tomlin. I cannot tell you how much I would hate this.

Can you trade a player for a coach? I don’t want Tomlin, but I’d rather trade Fields than picks for him. 

[Wilson A2000]

59 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

I'm still butthurt about Chase Claypool, so I prefer no dealing with Pittsburgh for awhile. With that said....NO to trading picks for a coach. Total waste of assets, imo. 

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As for the QB decision, what if Poles does not like Williams/Maye?

 

 

What about this year’s Heisman winner, Jayden Daniels?

[jersey cubs fan]

10 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I can understand not wanting to trade draft picks but outright saying no to a coach who has coached for 17 years and has never had a losing season and made the playoffs 10 times seems odd for a team that has 11 losing seasons over the last 17 years.  Not sure if he’d be my top choice and not sure I’m willing to give up draft picks for him but I wouldn’t hate him being our coach at all

I would love Tomlin as head coach. I’d hate trading picks for him. 
 

that being said, I’ve been saying for a while that the McCaskeys are dying to be the Mara or Rooney families. They are jealous of the relative stability, mostly by Pittsburgh, of these blue blood organizations. They want to have one head coach for 20 years and be done with the constant churn. I could see them go for this if they fail to recruit Belichik 

[minnesotacubsfan]

15 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I can understand not wanting to trade draft picks but outright saying no to a coach who has coached for 17 years and has never had a losing season and made the playoffs 10 times seems odd for a team that has 11 losing seasons over the last 17 years.  Not sure if he’d be my top choice and not sure I’m willing to give up draft picks for him but I wouldn’t hate him being our coach at all

 

how are you going to get him w/o trading picks?

[Tryptamine]

I think Tomlin is a fine coach, but I'm sick of defensive minded coaches in an offensive minded NFL.

[Wilson A2000]

I want a head coach who calls the plays so that if he’s good, he doesn’t get plucked away by another team like an OC would

[jersey cubs fan]

18 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

 

how are you going to get him w/o trading picks?

Lots of Pittsburgh fans want to move on, at least prior to yesterday’s big win they did. It’s possible the team and tomlin part ways. I doubt it, but it’s possible he’d be available if Pittsburg again falters down the stretch. 

[jersey cubs fan]

21 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

I think Tomlin is a fine coach, but I'm sick of defensive minded coaches in an offensive minded NFL.

Ron Rivera should be available