Bears Week 6 vs Vikings, Noon CT, FOX

[BigSlick]

5 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

It’s on the front office and coaching staff. 
 

unfortunately, fans actually think being the worst team in any league is good. So Poles might get to come back. But the team is worse now than it was when he took over and he’s had plenty of time and resources to make it better. 
 

you can’t waste a once in a generation opportunity to completely remake this team this offseason by letting the same guy that dragged it into the abyss make the decisions. 

I don't think there's a single fan thats thinks its good they're the worst team in the league for the 2nd year in a row. I think the vast majority were hoping the Bears were competitive this year while having realistic expectations that they probably wouldn't be competitive enough for a playoff spot - the Bears have underperformed those modest expectations.

THAT BEING THE CASE - it is better to have the 1st and 2nd overall pick than whatever else, but its small consolation. 

[jersey cubs fan]

39 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I don't think there's a single fan thats thinks its good they're the worst team in the league for the 2nd year in a row. I think the vast majority were hoping the Bears were competitive this year while having realistic expectations that they probably wouldn't be competitive enough for a playoff spot - the Bears have underperformed those modest expectations.

THAT BEING THE CASE - it is better to have the 1st and 2nd overall pick than whatever else, but its small consolation. 

I think there are numerous fans that will be thrilled to have the bears finish 1-16, fire Eberflus and allow Poles to run the draft. 

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3 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Williams or Maye having a WR room of Moore and Harrison Jr. sounds pretty enticing, trading down probably removes their shot a Harrison Jr.

It does. But DJ Moore being a legit stud WR means you have to weigh the opportunity cost of taking a WR2 (or 1B) over DE, OL, DT, even a CB if Johnson walks/traded. 

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45 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

I don't think there's a single fan thats thinks its good they're the worst team in the league for the 2nd year in a row. I think the vast majority were hoping the Bears were competitive this year while having realistic expectations that they probably wouldn't be competitive enough for a playoff spot - the Bears have underperformed those modest expectations.

THAT BEING THE CASE - it is better to have the 1st and 2nd overall pick than whatever else, but its small consolation. 

Oh, there's plenty that are intrigued more by having the 1-2 picks than the team actually winning games.

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2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I also like the idea, but in this case I’m not sure the process will be with it. They struck gold in having the garbage Panthers as their trade partner last year. If they trade down and end up with an extra 1 in the 2025, it may be high 20s. You’d better be certain you are getting the right value in this years draft to make it worth settling for lesser players. 
 

this team needs blue chippers. 

I don't think this is looking at things the right way. Sure, 2025 could be in the 20s. But it's still a second 1st round pick. Regardless of where those fall, they are valuable and potentially, blue chippers.

But I also assume you are getting another 1st rounder this year as well. Like if they pick at 1, and trade 2, they probably are still getting a top 10 pick. So, still getting 2 bluechippers in this draft (how blue is up for debate), and especially if the Bears don't necessarily want Harrison Jr or give Braxton another shot at LT, trading down and getting a DE or DT at a less reaching spot may be the best scenario, when you throw in what is likely to be several other picks as well. 

That's still potentially 4 blue chippers (#1 pick, traded down pick in 24, Bears own pick in 25, additional 25 pick) added in 2 years.

[Tim]

Let's say AZ is at 4 and 12. Bears are at 1-2. They offer both of their picks this year and next year's first for #2. We can take our pick of QB's, still get the best or second best non-QB in the draft, another blue- or near-blue chip this year, and another first next year.

Dumb not to do that.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bagent has this bizarre habit of leaning backwards as he throws, like he's reclining in a couch or shooting a fadeaway.  I think it might be literally every throw. 

You could say 'maybe he was feeling the pressure in his face' or 'well he was dealing with bad snaps.'

But watch the throw at 0:30.  Perfect snap, Vikings only rush 3 into max protect so he has literally no one within 15 feet of him.  He still does it.

0:48 and 1:27 are his best throws and it's not as egregious but he still does it. Leans back, takes a half-step forward but never actually shifts his weight forward, tries to throw it with all arm.

That's almost certainly what's causing the inconsistency in both accuracy and velocity, i.e. why he throws so many floaters and ducks.  When you're trying to generate all your power from your arm and none from your body, you're going to be inconsistent.

I think if they fixed that, there's something there, I can see why they like him.  Maybe a career backup, maybe even a bottom-tier starter.  I don't think that's something you can fix mid-season though.

[minnesotacubsfan]

39 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Bagent has this bizarre habit of leaning backwards as he throws, like he's reclining in a couch or shooting a fadeaway.  I think it might be literally every throw. 
 

did he do it in college too or is it just him shitting down his leg in his 1st nfl game?

[We Got The Whole 9]

40 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Bagent has this bizarre habit of leaning backwards as he throws, like he's reclining in a couch or shooting a fadeaway.  I think it might be literally every throw. 

You could say 'maybe he was feeling the pressure in his face' or 'well he was dealing with bad snaps.'

But watch the throw at 0:30.  Perfect snap, Vikings only rush 3 into max protect so he has literally no one within 15 feet of him.  He still does it.

0:48 and 1:27 are his best throws and it's not as egregious but he still does it. Leans back, takes a half-step forward but never actually shifts his weight forward, tries to throw it with all arm.

That's almost certainly what's causing the inconsistency in both accuracy and velocity, i.e. why he throws so many floaters and ducks.  When you're trying to generate all your power from your arm and none from your body, you're going to be inconsistent.

I think if they fixed that, there's something there, I can see why they like him.  Maybe a career backup, maybe even a bottom-tier starter.  I don't think that's something you can fix mid-season though.

That was Cutler like 80% of the time. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

29 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

That was Cutler like 80% of the time. 

Holy crap, you're right, that's *exactly* who it reminds me of.  

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, Tim said:

Let's say AZ is at 4 and 12. Bears are at 1-2. They offer both of their picks this year and next year's first for #2. We can take our pick of QB's, still get the best or second best non-QB in the draft, another blue- or near-blue chip this year, and another first next year.

Dumb not to do that.

Sure but I highly doubt they would do that for the 2nd choice in QB. Maybe for the 1st pick but even then I’m not sure.   That’s a ton of draft capital to move up 2-3 spots and we’re seeing teams like the 49ers with Lance and Panthers with Young regret giving up as much capital as they did for a non guaranteed star QB, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the market dips a bit unless it’s for a no doubt star QB

Edited October 18, 2023 by UMFan83

[We Got The Whole 9]

21 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Holy crap, you're right, that's *exactly* who it reminds me of.  

That was my biggest issue with Cutler. He rarely climbed the pocket or stepped into his throws.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

In a world where we have 1-2, which isn't *that* farfetched, I'd be willing to extra an absolutely ungodly haul for Williams and take Maye instead.

Maybe it ends up turning into another Lawrence/Wilson situation and I go down in ignonimy, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.

[UMFan83]

lol if this is true, even if he clearly won’t get it, it says a lot about how horsefeathers annoying it is going to be to get him to come to Chicago if they have the 1st pick. He’s going to want to be courted and I could see the McCaskeys acting like that’s beneath them and taking Maye or someone else and watch him become a HOF QB elsewhere

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by UMFan83

[Tryptamine]

I was already leaning towards Maye, if that's true that pretty much cements it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That would be weird for him to get ownership and fail - but it also almost seems likely to happen if he did get ownership. 

[Rex Buckingham]

NFL told Rodgers that wasn't allowed when he was negotiating with the Jets. Can't imagine it would be allowed for a draft pick either. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

3 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

NFL told Rodgers that wasn't allowed when he was negotiating with the Jets. Can't imagine it would be allowed for a draft pick either. 

It would love it if they let The Bears do it for Caleb and Rodgers is never allowed because he asked too soon snd then was hurt bad enough that his career never recovers.

prolly too much to ask for

[Derwood]

Caleb would be a better owner than Virginia McCaskey

[We Got The Whole 9]

If it's true I hope he goes to the USFL

[CubinNY]

He can ask for anything he wants. He's not going to get it. He can play in the XFL.

[jersey cubs fan]

12 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I was already leaning towards Maye, if that's true that pretty much cements it.

 

5 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

If it's true I hope he goes to the USFL

 

45 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

He can ask for anything he wants. He's not going to get it. He can play in the XFL.

Okay boomers 

[Tryptamine]

11 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

 

 

Okay boomers 

From my other posts regarding Caleb, I'm probably the low man on him , which is why I said I was already learning towards choosing Maye. It's just another little push. If I thought Caleb was the clear #1, I wouldn't care about this at all. It's not my money. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

It's not the money, it's the entitlement. I think it sets an awful precedent and man are you gonna have a lot of egg on your face if he busts. Trevor Lawrence looks like just a good QB, Andrew Luck was never the best QB in his league, Vick was a more hyped athletic specimen, etc. There's been plenty of these generational QBs that just turn out to be OK, but not otherworldly - and that's fine - I mean, they are/were still good -  but to make any player, before they've even taken a snap in the league, even the smallest minority owner, is just an asinine thought to me. I'm sure some teammates would take umbrage as well, although that is down the list of issues I would care about. 

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

It's not the money, it's the entitlement. I think it sets an awful precedent 

Relax. Let the owners worry about precedent. Negotiating isn’t entitlement.