Bears Week 6 vs Vikings, Noon CT, FOX

[Rex Buckingham]

Saw someone float the idea of trading #2 (if the Bears get 1 and 2) for both picks the Texans own. As long as one of those is top 7ish, I'm game for that idea. Maybe pick Brock Bowers or an OT with the first, and go either WR or EDGE with the 2nd to go with Williams/Maye

[jersey cubs fan]

4 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Saw someone float the idea of trading #2 (if the Bears get 1 and 2) for both picks the Texans own. As long as one of those is top 7ish, I'm game for that idea. Maybe pick Brock Bowers or an OT with the first, and go either WR or EDGE with the 2nd to go with Williams/Maye

Why would Houston do that? 

[raw]

18 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

Saw someone float the idea of trading #2 (if the Bears get 1 and 2) for both picks the Texans own. As long as one of those is top 7ish, I'm game for that idea. Maybe pick Brock Bowers or an OT with the first, and go either WR or EDGE with the 2nd to go with Williams/Maye

Texans don't own 2 picks. Arizona owns Texans' 1st (Will Anderson), Texans own Cleveland's (Watson) and Cleveland's only

[Rex Buckingham]

9 minutes ago, raw said:

Texans don't own 2 picks. Arizona owns Texans' 1st (Will Anderson), Texans own Cleveland's (Watson) and Cleveland's only

My bad... Arizona's picks... and to answer @jersey cubs fan it obviously wouldn't make sense for Houston because they dont need to move up for a QB, but maybe Arizona would. I was just an idiot and mixed up the way the trade went last year

[CubinNY]

My guess is that regardless of the outcome of the season they retain Eberflus. They are such a dumpster fire, and that might be an understatement. At least they don't have to fire the DC because they don't have one. 

[gflore34]

41 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

My guess is that regardless of the outcome of the season they retain Eberflus. They are such a dumpster fire, and that might be an understatement. At least they don't have to fire the DC because they don't have one. 

Why?  This team, while not extraordinarily talented, has still grossly under-performed, that's on the coaching staff.

[Rex Buckingham]

11 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Why?  This team, while not extraordinarily talented, has still grossly under-performed, that's on the coaching staff.

exactly... and the two games for which they have had the most time to prepare (GB to open the season, Minnesota off the mini-bye) they have looked woefully unprepared.  Eberflus is 0-8 vs the NFC North, and I sure wouldn't bet against him being 0-12 at the end of this year... 

[jersey cubs fan]

56 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Why?  This team, while not extraordinarily talented, has still grossly under-performed, that's on the coaching staff.

It’s on the front office and coaching staff. 
 

unfortunately, fans actually think being the worst team in any league is good. So Poles might get to come back. But the team is worse now than it was when he took over and he’s had plenty of time and resources to make it better. 
 

you can’t waste a once in a generation opportunity to completely remake this team this offseason by letting the same guy that dragged it into the abyss make the decisions. 

[gflore34]

Despite being terrible, I'm almost certain Getsy had a game plan to handle blitzes, anyone with a functioning brain cell could figure out Minnesota was going to attempt to pressure Fields.  It's on Fields for lack of execution, slow delivery, etc.  Although I'm not certain of the results, I'll bet we'll see the ball come out quicker, less QB sacks and pressures with Bagent next game.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The YouTube videos are coming out on Bagent. I see the problem now.

The scouting report says adequate NFL arm with inconsistent accuracy, but we can all see the ducks and floaters (they're all over his college tape too).

Watching them all again, his throwing mechanics are absolutely horror show bad.  Almost every throw he made Sunday was with his weight leaning back like a fadeaway, and his feet just go off in random directions as he goes to throw.  This would cause the inconsistency in accuracy and velocity.

He made some wrong reads but that doesn't bother me.

I can kinda see what they see in him. If you cleaned up all the mechanics and got the throws consistent, I can see a credible NFL quarterback, maybe not a starter.

But if he's getting playing time this season, either they tell him to go full caretaker mode or he throws a pick once every 8 throws.

[champaignchris]

1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

My guess is that regardless of the outcome of the season they retain Eberflus. They are such a dumpster fire, and that might be an understatement. At least they don't have to fire the DC because they don't have one. 

I’m having a really hard time finding any examples of NFL HCs with a record like Eberflus’ coming back for a third season. 
 

if they rebound and are competitive the rest of the way, finishing 7-10 or maybe even 6-11, I could see an argument for bringing him back. Otherwise, no way. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There's two game plans to beat a blitz.  Screens/draws and hot reads. Fields can't execute hot reads.  We ran a lot of screens.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on getsy or even eberflus.  It's more or less impossible to look competent coaching an offense with bad qb play, and to be honest the defense is starting to sniff around adequacy.   Most of the time, griping about playcalling is just talk radio hot takery and the "obvious solutions" wouldn't actually work.

I'm fine with firing them all into the sun at the end of the season or even sooner, but I don't think it solves much.

[CubinNY]

21 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

It’s on the front office and coaching staff. 
 

unfortunately, fans actually think being the worst team in any league is good. So Poles might get to come back. But the team is worse now than it was when he took over and he’s had plenty of time and resources to make it better. 
 

you can’t waste a once in a generation opportunity to completely remake this team this offseason by letting the same guy that dragged it into the abyss make the decisions. 

I agree. I don't think Poles wants to admit failure and I think the McCasky family won't fire him. 

Edited October 17, 2023 by CubinNY

[mul21]

57 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

There's two game plans to beat a blitz.  Screens/draws and hot reads. Fields can't execute hot reads.  We ran a lot of screens.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on getsy or even eberflus.  It's more or less impossible to look competent coaching an offense with bad qb play, and to be honest the defense is starting to sniff around adequacy.   Most of the time, griping about playcalling is just talk radio hot takery and the "obvious solutions" wouldn't actually work.

I'm fine with firing them all into the sun at the end of the season or even sooner, but I don't think it solves much.

I think the 3 consecutive smokes/WR screens and getting -2 and 0 yards on the 2nd and 3rd attempt after 8 yards on 1st down tell me there's a lot that can be done with play calling.  I don't have the solutions but making calls like that is inexcusable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

20 minutes ago, mul21 said:

I think the 3 consecutive smokes/WR screens and getting -2 and 0 yards on the 2nd and 3rd attempt after 8 yards on 1st down tell me there's a lot that can be done with play calling.  I don't have the solutions but making calls like that is inexcusable.

According to the QB school breakdown, those were option plays and at least one if not two should have been handed off 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I do like the idea of trading down again with one of our two incoming high picks.

 

The NFL draft.is such a crapshoot and it's so important to hit.  Giving yourself multiple firsts every chance you can is a cheat code.

[gflore34]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I do like the idea of trading down again with one of our two incoming high picks.

 

The NFL draft.is such a crapshoot and it's so important to hit.  Giving yourself multiple firsts every chance you can is a cheat code.

Williams or Maye having a WR room of Moore and Harrison Jr. sounds pretty enticing, trading down probably removes their shot a Harrison Jr.

[Tim]

2 hours ago, CubinNY said:

I agree. I don't think Poles wants to admit failure and I think the McCasky family won't fire him. 

Warren is the wildcard. I've seen some speculation that he'll take this opportunity to really put his stamp on the organization. 

[CubinNY]

6 minutes ago, Tim said:

Warren is the wildcard. I've seen some speculation that he'll take this opportunity to really put his stamp on the organization. 

That would be great. Take responsibility and remove the owner from the equation. 

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I do like the idea of trading down again with one of our two incoming high picks.

 

The NFL draft.is such a crapshoot and it's so important to hit.  Giving yourself multiple firsts every chance you can is a cheat code.

I also like the idea, but in this case I’m not sure the process will be with it. They struck gold in having the garbage Panthers as their trade partner last year. If they trade down and end up with an extra 1 in the 2025, it may be high 20s. You’d better be certain you are getting the right value in this years draft to make it worth settling for lesser players. 
 

this team needs blue chippers. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

7 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I also like the idea, but in this case I’m not sure the process will be with it. They struck gold in having the garbage Panthers as their trade partner last year. If they trade down and end up with an extra 1 in the 2025, it may be high 20s. You’d better be certain you are getting the right value in this years draft to make it worth settling for lesser players. 
 

this team needs blue chippers. 

Whichever team has the worst QB + targets situation. 

Pats, Broncos, Giants

 

I see no shot of any of those teams not having top 10 picks in the 25 draft. The Pats roster is worse than the Bears. They and the Giants have scored 72 and 71 points respectively. The Giants have already been outscored by 96 points. 

Edited October 17, 2023 by We Got The Whole 9

[jersey cubs fan]

6 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Whichever team has the worst QB + targets situation. 

Pats, Broncos, Giants

 

I see no shot of any of those teams not having top 10 picks in the 25 draft. The Pats roster is worse than the Bears. They and the Giants have scored 72 and 71 points respectively. The Giants have already been outscored by 96 points. 

Competent NFL organizations can improve significantly in one offseason. 

[Tim]

3 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Competent NFL organizations can improve significantly in one offseason. 

The Giants made their GM/HC moves at the same time we did and their results match ours. Are we sure they're competent?

[UMFan83]

16 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

this team needs blue chippers. 

Yep and that is why im fully in favor of keeping both picks unless we could potentially trade down into 2 top 10 picks in 2024, and the only team that can do that is Arizona.  There is always risk to the draft but the best chance of getting blue chippers is in the top 5 or 10.

Still drives me nuts that Poles got rid of a legitimate blue chipper in Roquan for a late 2nd round pick and 5th round pick.

[We Got The Whole 9]

7 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Competent NFL organizations can improve significantly in one offseason. 

It happens sometimes, sure, but when they're depleted like that, it is very unlikely to happen.