Week 2 - Bears at Bucs noon on Fox

[WrigleyField 22]

One hour of Bears Offense torture porn lololol

Edited September 12, 2023 by WrigleyField 22

[Hairyducked Idiot]

More stuff from that film breakdown:

1) Nate Davis is *way* worse than I realized.  Just brutal in pass protection.

2) DJ Moore is gonna be disgruntled by the end of the season if this keeps up. He had 75+ yards of easy catches just not thrown to him.

3) I'm over Cole Kmet

4) The offfensive line desperately needs new coaching or someone who can call the protections at the line better.  So many plays where people just don't know who they're blocking. Jones had a particularly bad one at 34:00 that I assume PFF graded him as a plus for the play.
 

[CubinNY]

2 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

I was just thinking yesterday about the Buffalo Bills went from a perennial SB contender in the early 90s, then went through 25 year period where they were basically the laughing stock of football, worse than us even.  Their fans were probably wondering when it would ever end and felt like the organization was broken, etc.  But they've managed to put it together and now are one of the best teams in the AFC.  Sure largely aided by getting Josh Allen, but they actually managed to develop him unlike every Bears QB in team history.   They hoped for things to get better and it did.  We hope for things to get better and then hire Matt Eberflus.

Didn’t they get new owners?

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54 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

More stuff from that film breakdown:

1) Nate Davis is *way* worse than I realized.  Just brutal in pass protection.

2) DJ Moore is gonna be disgruntled by the end of the season if this keeps up. He had 75+ yards of easy catches just not thrown to him.

3) I'm over Cole Kmet

4) The offfensive line desperately needs new coaching or someone who can call the protections at the line better.  So many plays where people just don't know who they're blocking. Jones had a particularly bad one at 34:00 that I assume PFF graded him as a plus for the play.
 

I actually agree with every word of this, except the Kmet part. He's whatever. They need to stop using him like he's an actual pass game weapon and not a checkdown option.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Also in a video where every other offensive lineman looked like clownshoes at one point or another, Darnell Wright escaped mention, so that's probably good.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Hairyducked Idiot

[UMFan83]

16 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Also in a video where every other offensive lineman looked like clownshoes at one point or another, Darnell Wright escaped mention, so that's probably good.

So the players PFF graded poorly looked bad in film review and the players PFF graded better did well? Imagine that 😂

[Hairyducked Idiot]

14 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

So the players PFF graded poorly looked bad in film review and the players PFF graded better did well? Imagine that 😂

Well they somehow managed to say Jones only had one pressure against when I definitely saw his man in Fields' face more than once

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, raw said:

I actually agree with every word of this, except the Kmet part. He's whatever. They need to stop using him like he's an actual pass game weapon and not a checkdown option.

Can you clarify your Kmet thoughts?

[WrigleyField 22]

2 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Also in a video where every other offensive lineman looked like clownshoes at one point or another, Darnell Wright escaped mention, so that's probably good.

Think he had some expected rookie RT moments, but there was enough there.

[minnesotacubsfan]

11 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Can you clarify your Kmet thoughts?

Yea, I’m not clear on what raw was saying either.

I feel like Kmet is a casualty of the offense. I doubt he’d ever be Kelce good but a solid 1TE on most teams if used properly

 

[gflore34]

After watching that film how is it conceivable they'll ever score a TD let alone win a game?  It looks extraordinarily hopeless, good signing there with Nate Davis Mr. former offensive lineman Poles.  Is anyone on the Bears pissed?  Anyone, Poles, coaching staff, I don't give a horsefeathers who it is, someone should be.

[CubinNY]

7 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

After watching that film how is it conceivable they'll ever score a TD let alone win a game?  It looks extraordinarily hopeless, good signing there with Nate Davis Mr. former offensive lineman Poles.  Is anyone on the Bears pissed?  Anyone, Poles, coaching staff, I don't give a horsefeathers who it is, someone should be.

I don't know how a team could NOT be ready to start game 1, but that's what the Bears looked like. That's on the HC. 

[WrigleyField 22]

20 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

After watching that film how is it conceivable they'll ever score a TD 

Well they did do it twice and made it to the redzone another time, even with how bad things were Sunday.

 

I think this can totally be an outlier game for Fields.  By ADOT it was.  This only becomes an issue if everyone in the building so hyper fixates on it that it turns into an issue.

 

Like the overreaction is crazy.  JTs video was super informative, but there's no reason that was an hour long video (based on what his format usually is - in the building sure, there's hours of film study you could go over). There's just a lot of rage baiting and doom boner is going on with this. It was a bad performance, week 1, against their biggest rival.

 

Ready to move onto week 2.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

23 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

After watching that film how is it conceivable they'll ever score a TD let alone win a game?  It looks extraordinarily hopeless, good signing there with Nate Davis Mr. former offensive lineman Poles.  Is anyone on the Bears pissed?  Anyone, Poles, coaching staff, I don't give a horsefeathers who it is, someone should be.

Like, in theory, some of it should be fixable?  There were a lot of guys running the wrong routes, guys not knowing who to block, things that shouldn't have been there to begin with but seem easier to fix than lack of talent.

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12 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Can you clarify your Kmet thoughts?

Kmet is a fine player. I'm good with the team paying him, what they did (it's an overpay, but that's how it works). But they have 3 WRs who should be better options in the pass game, and maybe even Scott will be as well. They need to stop with the TE screens. They need to stop with the iso routes 1-on-1 vs a DB, like the endzone back shoulder attempt on the 1st drive. That was all fine and good last year, when you had no WRs, but now that you added talent, Kmet should be used to chip block before running out on a delayed route and/or be a checkdown option unless you create the misdirection stuff for him like many of the TDs last year (this also is in the delayed route category).

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Like, in theory, some of it should be fixable?  There were a lot of guys running the wrong routes, guys not knowing who to block, things that shouldn't have been there to begin with but seem easier to fix than lack of talent.

One thing may help, Claypool being a healthy scratch, his lack of effort is inexcusable, St. Brown and Jones Jr. both suck hard but, they'll give maximum effort.  I think deactivating Claypool would send the right message to the team, you can be bad at football but, you should never be bad at trying.

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, raw said:

Kmet is a fine player. I'm good with the team paying him, what they did (it's an overpay, but that's how it works). But they have 3 WRs who should be better options in the pass game, and maybe even Scott will be as well. They need to stop with the TE screens. They need to stop with the iso routes 1-on-1 vs a DB, like the endzone back shoulder attempt on the 1st drive. That was all fine and good last year, when you had no WRs, but now that you added talent, Kmet should be used to chip block before running out on a delayed route and/or be a checkdown option unless you create the misdirection stuff for him like many of the TDs last year (this also is in the delayed route category).

Okay, thanks. Makes sense. But they don’t have three better receiving options. Kmet is pretty clearly the 3rd best option. 

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10 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Well they did do it twice and made it to the redzone another time, even with how bad things were Sunday.

 

I think this can totally be an outlier game for Fields.  By ADOT it was.  This only becomes an issue if everyone in the building so hyper fixates on it that it turns into an issue.

 

Like the overreaction is crazy.  JTs video was super informative, but there's no reason that was an hour long video (based on what his format usually is - in the building sure, there's hours of film study you could go over). There's just a lot of rage baiting and doom boner is going on with this. It was a bad performance, week 1, against their biggest rival.

 

Ready to move onto week 2.

I have watched all the "breakdowns" of unbiased sources. And man, a lot of this just seems like practice issues. Like I know people were freaking out unnecessarily about players missing time in camp, but part of it has some merit. It looked like linemen were failing to correctly pass defenders off to the OL next to them. And obviously, Davis missed a ton of time, Patrick missed a bunch of time, Whitehair missed time and then moved to another position to play next to a C that wasn't really practicing either. Then you had WRs in the wrong place at time or I'm assuming so, because there were guys in the same place. And again, you had Claypool not practicing for a while. 

I am kinda worried about Fields turning down open passes. I feel like he's feeling the rush and taking his eyes down. JT mentioned his drop seems lazy. I think he's concentrating on footwork a bit too much instead of just playing ball. He just seems kind of robotic. And I think there is something to the overcorrecting. You preach footwork, not taking hits and checking down and you get a QB that is focusing on those things until they become second nature to him. But I do think his pocket presence looked better, FWIW. 

And not to blame anyone else, but I hope Fields isn't being coddled in the film and in practice and on the sidelines. He needs to know where the ball needs to go, and more importantly when it needs to get there. He needs to play with urgency. 

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1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Okay, thanks. Makes sense. But they don’t have three better receiving options. Kmet is pretty clearly the 3rd best option. 

Well yeah, if Claypool isn't going to get his head out of his ass he is. But Claypool SHOULD be a better option based on skillset and the attention that should be paid to the top 2 guys. 

[CubinNY]

3 minutes ago, raw said:

I have watched all the "breakdowns" of unbiased sources. And man, a lot of this just seems like practice issues. Like I know people were freaking out unnecessarily about players missing time in camp, but part of it has some merit. It looked like linemen were failing to correctly pass defenders off to the OL next to them. And obviously, Davis missed a ton of time, Patrick missed a bunch of time, Whitehair missed time and then moved to another position to play next to a C that wasn't really practicing either. Then you had WRs in the wrong place at time or I'm assuming so, because there were guys in the same place. And again, you had Claypool not practicing for a while. 

I am kinda worried about Fields turning down open passes. I feel like he's feeling the rush and taking his eyes down. JT mentioned his drop seems lazy. I think he's concentrating on footwork a bit too much instead of just playing ball. He just seems kind of robotic. And I think there is something to the overcorrecting. You preach footwork, not taking hits and checking down and you get a QB that is focusing on those things until they become second nature to him. But I do think his pocket presence looked better, FWIW. 

And not to blame anyone else, but I hope Fields isn't being coddled in the film and in practice and on the sidelines. He needs to know where the ball needs to go, and more importantly when it needs to get there. He needs to play with urgency. 

I noticed that in the game. He's dropping back with his head down. Not like on the ground, but not where it needs to be. Those mechanical issues should have been fixed a long, long time ago. Same with the blocking scheme. This is a poorly coached team all the way down.

[minnesotacubsfan]

9 minutes ago, raw said:

Well yeah, if Claypool isn't going to get his head out of his ass he is. But Claypool SHOULD be a better option based on skillset and the attention that should be paid to the top 2 guys. 

Claypool is dead weight. It’s time to move on from him

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9 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I noticed that in the game. He's dropping back with his head down. Not like on the ground, but not where it needs to be. Those mechanical issues should have been fixed a long, long time ago. Same with the blocking scheme. This is a poorly coached team all the way down.

I'm going to lay off the coaching a bit.....for now. LOL. It's tough to coach guys who aren't out there. Like if I had to pinpoint the worst 2 players on the field Sunday, it was Claypool and Nate Davis. And they missed the most practice of the starters. 

Obviously, there were other bad performances from people that haven't missed days but it really seemed like these dudes were just thrown together to play this game. Which I guess is on coaching too, but I'll give it a few more games for them. 

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5 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Claypool is dead weight. It’s time to move on from him

I mean, it's not, but I get it. He still has the same attitude. I read from someone at the game he had a temper tantrum early when he didn't get the ball and his effort was pretty bad after that. But he has too much talent to just toss aside when he's had exactly 1 game while healthy and (supposedly) knowing what he's doing on offense. I'd give it til the deadline or so. If he's still bad and you can move him for anything, do it. Give those reps to Velus, Scott, or St. Brown. If no takers and he's bad. Sit him down. But no reason to move on Week 1.

[jumbo]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

I mean, it's not, but I get it. He still has the same attitude. I read from someone at the game he had a temper tantrum early when he didn't get the ball and his effort was pretty bad after that. But he has too much talent to just toss aside when he's had exactly 1 game while healthy and (supposedly) knowing what he's doing on offense. I'd give it til the deadline or so. If he's still bad and you can move him for anything, do it. Give those reps to Velus, Scott, or St. Brown. If no takers and he's bad. Sit him down. But no reason to move on Week 1.

I just saw the clip of him telling Brandon Marshall that he knows he a top 5 WR in the league

It is so incredibly deluded that he would think that, regardless of when he said it. If he ever believed it, and certainly if he believes it now (or even top 10 or top 20) it's hard to imagine what it would be like to coach him.  

[jersey cubs fan]

22 minutes ago, raw said:

I mean, it's not, but I get it. He still has the same attitude. I read from someone at the game he had a temper tantrum early when he didn't get the ball and his effort was pretty bad after that. But he has too much talent to just toss aside when he's had exactly 1 game while healthy and (supposedly) knowing what he's doing on offense. I'd give it til the deadline or so. If he's still bad and you can move him for anything, do it. Give those reps to Velus, Scott, or St. Brown. If no takers and he's bad. Sit him down. But no reason to move on Week 1.

You can’t let him be active in week 2. Bench him now. Get it out of the way. He’s not going to improve on his own volition. He’s had a year with this team. I don’t care about some missed practice. He was in the building the entire time. He knows what he’s supposed to do and he chose to dog it on opening day. He should have been on a short leash to start the season and he’s already burned any veteran benefit of the doubt. He’s simply not nearly talented, let alone productive, enough, to tolerate that minimal level of effort. He’s the 3rd receiver on a team that is going to let him walk this offseason. If he wants to come back and practice hard to regain active duty, let him prove it.