8/23 - Cubs (Taillon) vs Tigers (Skubal): 12:10pm, Marquee

[Michael Busch Light]

Taillon just keeps finding a way to horsefeathers up 

[CubinNY]

2 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Would have meant more had you suggested they should take Tallion out before the homer. Just feels result bias to me. And I think you would have posted the opposite had Merryweather came in and given up the homer. That would have been Ross’ fault as well. 

It's Ross's bag to let his starters go too long. He does it over and over again. It is known. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by CubinNY

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

It's Ross's bag to let his starters go too long. He does it over and over again. It is known. 

Yep...and its amplified whenever the Cubs are decent.  See: 2020 Wild Card Game 1 with Hendricks

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

It's Ross's bag to let his starters go too long. He does it over and over again. It is known. 

Yet he has a pen full of overworked arms. How can both be correct. He leaves starters in too long AND pen arms get too many innings! 
I will say he does have way too long a leash with Smyly. Seems he has kept him in several games too long and it has hurt them. In this particular game I didn’t think he should take Tallion out. Fact is, who does he have? 

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, Rcal10 said:

Yet he has a pen full of overworked arms. How can both be correct. He leaves starters in too long AND pen arms get too many innings! 
 

Possibly because his starters largely suck?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

4 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

It's Ross's bag to let his starters go too long. He does it over and over again. It is known. 

They can't rely on getting upwards of 30 innings a week from the pen during a big stretch without days off.  The pen will either fail since it's not 8 elite relievers and the other team is paid to hit too, or they'll fail more often from overuse.  They have to be able to try to get length from the rotation, or the offense needs to make the game a laugher.  When neither does that's not Ross being stubborn, it's the practical reality of not having a clear winning choice.

[chibears55]

3 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

It's funny, going into this season the expectations were that the pitching would be solid and the offense a bit of a dumpster fire. It has been the opposite. 

Who actually thought the pitching would be solid ??

It was Stroman, and Steele ..

Wesneski was a question mark, Taillon and Smyly weren't anything to be excited about and Hendricks was coming off an injury and nobody knew what he was gonna do.

The bullpen had potential with the late inning guys.

 

 

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Who actually thought the pitching would be solid ??

It was Stroman, and Steele ..

Wesneski was a question mark, Taillon and Smyly weren't anything to be excited about and Hendricks was coming off an injury and nobody knew what he was gonna do.

The bullpen had potential with the late inning guys.

 

 

I think the confidence about the starters was that we felt good about have 3  #2-3 starters in Stroman, Steele and Taillon, we were excited about Wesneski's upside and though Smyly would be fine for a number 5 starter.  And then we had Hendricks coming back which people weren't expecting a ton, it gave us another option.

What we didnt expect is that Stroman and Smyly would completely implode at the start of June and in Stroman's case then be injured for the rest of the year.  Didn't expect Taillon to be terrible for the first 3 months and then ok for a bit but still not really pitching like a number 3 starter often enough.  And then Wesneski completely pitching himself out of the rotation by May

Steele has been better than expectations and Hendricks right about where we expected him to be.

Edited August 23, 2023 by UMFan83

[chibears55]

28 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

If we drop this, 7-7 since the Mets series and 4-4 since we started playing very bad teams that are out of the race.  I guess it happens in baseball, but horsefeathers this is so annoying.

What makes it worse is that the Brewers are now beating first place teams

[UMFan83]

Thank you for giving us the lead Gomes, but I hate that he got thrown out there at the end.  I'll take it though.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I absolutely hate making the 3rd out there. Stay on first and third! 

[squally1313]

He’s hit the ball so hard all game. What a stud. Go win a baseball game. 

[WhyCantWeWin]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

Thank you for giving us the lead Gomes, but I hate that he got thrown out there at the end.  I'll take it though.

Idk what the actual numbers are but feels like he's been really good in the clutch this year 

[UMFan83]

Just now, WhyCantWeWin said:

Idk what the actual numbers are but feels like he's been really good in the clutch this year 

@Matt Trueblood wrote an article on this site about it the other day

[soccer10k]

10 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

What makes it worse is that the Brewers are now beating first place teams

The Brewers just got swept by LA less than a week ago. They beat one first place team 3 times and while it’s true that Minnesota is a first place team, it’s also accurate to refer to them as barely over .500.

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Thank you for giving us the lead Gomes, but I hate that he got thrown out there at the end.  I'll take it though.

Also I don't want to seem like I'm down on the hit, HUGE hit.  Just always feels weird when you are celebrating a big hit and then the batter gets thrown out to end the inning at the end of the play.

[squally1313]

Don’t mind this version of merryweather taking the heart of the order. Give adbert a bit more of a soft landing.  

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

Also I don't want to seem like I'm down on the hit, HUGE hit.  Just always feels weird when you are celebrating a big hit and then the batter gets thrown out to end the inning at the end of the play.

The upside of getting to second with two outs vs staying at first is so big that I think it’s worth the risk. Just kinda bad luck the throw was offline towards second and the catcher got to walk into that throw. 

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, squally1313 said:

The upside of getting to second with two outs vs staying at first is so big that I think it’s worth the risk. Just kinda bad luck the throw was offline towards second and the catcher got to walk into that throw. 

You think so?  I'd agree with no one else on base but Seiya was on 3rd as an insurance run in that situation.  Gomes being on 2nd gives them a potential second insurance run and eliminates the force out but thats about it.

I do agree that it was partially bad luck though as the throw from the cutoff man made it an easy out.  But feel like if theres any risk at all you stay on 1st and let Candelario try to get another insurance run home

Edited August 23, 2023 by UMFan83

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Dang, nice drama free 8th by Merryweather after slamming the door in the 7th!

[Irrelevant Dude]

That was impressive (or at least sounded that way).

[squally1313]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

You think so?  I'd agree with no one else on base but Seiya was on 3rd as an insurance run in that situation.  Gomes being on 2nd gives them a potential second insurance run and eliminates the force out but thats about it.

Damn, totally spaced on Suzuki being on base. My bad. Makes that other post about staying on 1st and 3rd make a lot more sense (happy I chose to ignore it) 

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, itisallpartoftheplan said:

Dang, nice drama free 8th by Merryweather after slamming the door in the 7th!

That was really impressive pitching going through the heart of their order.  At times Merryweather looks completely dominant, but he has enough off performances to always make me a little nervous when he pitches.

[chibears55]

As of now Smyly is scheduled to pitch Sunday,  im guessing he'll start it and then will be in the pen after the September call up

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That was impressive (or at least sounded that way).

It was quite impressive.  He was hitting the black with his 100 mph fastball and getting hitters to chase the breaking pitch