Bears Week 8 @ Cowboys, Sunday 10/30 1pm

[pitchcs]

I wonder if this extra pick (now gives them a full 7, and five top 140 picks), gives them some ammo/incentive to get involved in a trade for a long-term piece. I'm guessing the asking prices are too high right now for Jeudy and Claypool, but as it gets closer to Tuesday, those prices may come down. And if a bunch of teams are offering picks, the Bears pick will likely be higher than teams in competition with them.

 

I'd certainly be willing to part with a 2023 2nd and a 2024 4th for Jeudy, now that they have an extra 4th and Poles has shown the willingness to trade back.

 

Chase Claypool is awful so no thanks to that

[minnesotacubsfan]

They might get the very last comp pick as a net value loss pick, but the status of that pick is tenuous even.

 

So yea, pick any two of Pringle, Muhammad, Jones, Patrick, Morrow and that's the difference of maybe getting the Mr Irrelevant pick and a 3rd or 4th comp and maybe a 5th.

 

To be clear they should have just signed more better players and also not had a comp pick, but had a few more decent players.

Yea but look at how awesome Muhammad has mentoring the kids by eating up all the paying time at DE

 

And Pringle? Yea he'll be awesome! (Someday....at something)

 

 

Patrick. Ahhhh Patrick. You lasted 6 games

 

 

Maybe Pace was better then Poles, he just had the wrong coach (?)

[WrigleyField 22]

They might get the very last comp pick as a net value loss pick, but the status of that pick is tenuous even.

 

So yea, pick any two of Pringle, Muhammad, Jones, Patrick, Morrow and that's the difference of maybe getting the Mr Irrelevant pick and a 3rd or 4th comp and maybe a 5th.

 

To be clear they should have just signed more better players and also not had a comp pick, but had a few more decent players.

Yea but look at how awesome Muhammad has coincided the kids by eating up all the paying time at DE

 

And Pringle? Yea he'll be awesome! (Someday....at something)

 

 

Patrick. Ahhhh Patrick. You lasted 6 games

 

 

Maybe Pace was better then Poles, he just had the wrong coach (?)

I'm probably more Pace friendly than most, but it was time. Even if it was "just the wrong coach", how do you give him a third? And heck no, I don't buy the theory Fox was forced upon him.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Oh I get that, and you can't really blame him for Patrick's injury but it's pretty striking how disastrous his non-draft moves have been. Hell, even in the draft he grabbed us a return man who isn't that great at it and sucks at everything else

[WrigleyField 22]

Oh I get that, and you can't really blame him for Patrick's injury but it's pretty striking how disastrous his non-draft moves have been. Hell, even in the draft he grabbed us a return man who isn't that great at it and sucks at everything else

Sure Velus has been injured and not productive but at least he's... Checks notes.... Only 25 years old.

 

Any where's theres like 4 or 5 actual good GMs and then at any given time 10 or so lucky ones and 17-18 unlucky ones.

[Brian707]

Bears currently in line to pick 14th

 

For the sake of argument. Let's say 14 is their draft position. Would trading down make sense here? I haven't looked at anything related to draft projections

[jersey cubs fan]

I read that we are picking up most of his salary too. I’m not thrilled with the return.

 

IDK why that matters. They were picking up ALL the salary if they kept him on the team, plus carrying whatever dead cap next year when they inevitably cut him after this season. A 4th is perfectly fine.

the cap space you gain is worthless if you don’t spend it and it will be nigh on impossible for Poles to spend the cap space he has available. There are only so many Lucas Patricks out there.

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I read that we are picking up most of his salary too. I’m not thrilled with the return.

 

IDK why that matters. They were picking up ALL the salary if they kept him on the team, plus carrying whatever dead cap next year when they inevitably cut him after this season. A 4th is perfectly fine.

the cap space you gain is worthless if you don’t spend it and it will be nigh on impossible for Poles to spend the cap space he has available. There are only so many Lucas Patricks out there.

 

It's certainly possible. Not sure if likely. But even if it's not spent, it gives the team flexibility if they wind up competing next year. It also can rollover to the following year. So, it will get spent eventually.

[WrigleyField 22]

I read that we are picking up most of his salary too. I’m not thrilled with the return.

 

IDK why that matters. They were picking up ALL the salary if they kept him on the team, plus carrying whatever dead cap next year when they inevitably cut him after this season. A 4th is perfectly fine.

the cap space you gain is worthless if you don’t spend it and it will be nigh on impossible for Poles to spend the cap space he has available. There are only so many Lucas Patricks out there.

Yup.

 

Their cash hole to meet the min is now like 120. Let's say that they'll use 10 for practice squad and in season additions- which is conservative. So they have 110 in new FA money to hand out (the 120 already accounts for a draft pool estimate too).

 

They have 33 under contract and 7 draft picks. So 13 roster spots to fill in FA.

 

So in AAV terms call it 110 for 13 players. So 13 8.5m players. Now you can forward cash a bit on the contracts but that usually isn't done to a significant degree except for longer/larger deals. But they're obviously not going to find that many "big money" deals.

 

But just to try:

Let's say Roquan on a 4/80 deal but with 30M Y1 cash

Montgomery on 4/48 but with 16M Y1 cash

A free agent WR and OL at 3/45 with 20M Y1 cash each

A DT at 4/48 and 16M Y1 cash

 

That would basically get them there and the rest of their FA money could be small deals. But aso includes a ton of money at a RB. Thats just to meet the minimum cash requirement. You're also basically frontloading cash you wouldn't necessarily otherwise. If that comes with low Y2 cash amounts it balances out and is just timing thing. If not, you've basically taken on unnecessary risk by frontloading on big money deals.

[Bertz]

Bears currently in line to pick 14th

 

For the sake of argument. Let's say 14 is their draft position. Would trading down make sense here? I haven't looked at anything related to draft projections

 

Especially in light of all the cap space I think you just take the pick wherever it lies. They've got the money to ensure the team has adequate depth next year, take your swing at an impact player. I think the only way I trade back is if somehow they have a top 5 pick but also at the same time we feel really great about Fields, which feels like a very unlikely combo.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears currently in line to pick 14th

 

For the sake of argument. Let's say 14 is their draft position. Would trading down make sense here? I haven't looked at anything related to draft projections

 

Especially in light of all the cap space I think you just take the pick wherever it lies. They've got the money to ensure the team has adequate depth next year, take your swing at an impact player. I think the only way I trade back is if somehow they have a top 5 pick but also at the same time we feel really great about Fields, which feels like a very unlikely combo.

 

 

I agree with this. If the Bears dont have a top 5 pick, ie one that could get them multiple 1st rounders in return, then they absolutely should take the bpa at one of their many positions of need at the 14th slot

[UMFan83]

The other day I was going to suggest making a play for Kadarius Toney from the Giants. Well he got traded to the Chiefs for a 3rd and a 6th, much more than I would have wanted to give up. The 3rd round pick traded was actually the compensatory pick the Chiefs got when the Bears signed Poles as GM.

[BigSlick]

I agree that if we're picking 14th you might as well stay there are try to hit on an impact player, and you got enough needs on both sides of the ball that you can virtually take the best player available, aside from QB and RB. Its nice that they're now >7 picks for the draft, and have a crapload of money to spend.

[Rex Buckingham]

Bears currently in line to pick 14th

 

For the sake of argument. Let's say 14 is their draft position. Would trading down make sense here? I haven't looked at anything related to draft projections

 

Especially in light of all the cap space I think you just take the pick wherever it lies. They've got the money to ensure the team has adequate depth next year, take your swing at an impact player. I think the only way I trade back is if somehow they have a top 5 pick but also at the same time we feel really great about Fields, which feels like a very unlikely combo.

 

Think that would almost require a good offense but the D getting absolutely shredded to lose the games... not out of the realm of possibility, but not likely either. The coaching seems to be good enough to avoid a total tank

[raw]

The other day I was going to suggest making a play for Kadarius Toney from the Giants. Well he got traded to the Chiefs for a 3rd and a 6th, much more than I would have wanted to give up. The 3rd round pick traded was actually the compensatory pick the Chiefs got when the Bears signed Poles as GM.

 

The name that keeps going thru my head is Calvin Ridley. Obviously more of an offseason move, but I wonder A) what it would take and B) if Poles would even make that dice roll.

 

Ridley is probably the best way to get a really good WR without giving up a super high pick. There's literally 0 in free agency that are as productive as he was a couple years ago. He's due 9Mil for his 5th year option. Falcons were close to dealing him to Philly before his suspension was announced, so he'll be going somewhere. I'd imagine he'd be treated similarly to like a Robert Woods, who coming off a missed year w/ an ACL tear went for like a 5th and 6th or something. I wouldn't expect Ridley would cost much more than that. He's going to be almost 2 years removed by his next game. And he's also going to be 28 so not a spring chicken (he was almost Velus age when drafted).

 

For the Bears, he'd provide a competent WR. He also probably wouldn't cost an immediate contract extension, which is an issue with Mooney likely getting an extension this offseason. He has the incentive to let his play on the field earn his next contract in line with the elite WRs. The Bears would be able to franchise tag him in 2024 and then let him walk at 30, with Mooney's big numbers starting to kick in and hopefully a draft pick performing well.

 

But I wonder if Poles would add a guy that was suspended for a year for gambling. Seems to be a big image guy and IDK if he'd want Ridley on an otherwise pretty young roster. But man, I think the prospect cost and the financial obligation would make him a spectacular value if you can get him on the field.

[gflore34]

The other day I was going to suggest making a play for Kadarius Toney from the Giants. Well he got traded to the Chiefs for a 3rd and a 6th, much more than I would have wanted to give up. The 3rd round pick traded was actually the compensatory pick the Chiefs got when the Bears signed Poles as GM.

 

The name that keeps going thru my head is Calvin Ridley. Obviously more of an offseason move, but I wonder A) what it would take and B) if Poles would even make that dice roll.

 

Ridley is probably the best way to get a really good WR without giving up a super high pick. There's literally 0 in free agency that are as productive as he was a couple years ago. He's due 9Mil for his 5th year option. Falcons were close to dealing him to Philly before his suspension was announced, so he'll be going somewhere. I'd imagine he'd be treated similarly to like a Robert Woods, who coming off a missed year w/ an ACL tear went for like a 5th and 6th or something. I wouldn't expect Ridley would cost much more than that. He's going to be almost 2 years removed by his next game. And he's also going to be 28 so not a spring chicken (he was almost Velus age when drafted).

 

For the Bears, he'd provide a competent WR. He also probably wouldn't cost an immediate contract extension, which is an issue with Mooney likely getting an extension this offseason. He has the incentive to let his play on the field earn his next contract in line with the elite WRs. The Bears would be able to franchise tag him in 2024 and then let him walk at 30, with Mooney's big numbers starting to kick in and hopefully a draft pick performing well.

 

But I wonder if Poles would add a guy that was suspended for a year for gambling. Seems to be a big image guy and IDK if he'd want Ridley on an otherwise pretty young roster. But man, I think the prospect cost and the financial obligation would make him a spectacular value if you can get him on the field.

 

The 2023 WR Free Agent class doesn't look all that strong, WR is either going to be addressed with the draft, trade or most likely both. I like the Ridley idea, could be something Poles may get heat for that'll turn out well.

[raw]

The other day I was going to suggest making a play for Kadarius Toney from the Giants. Well he got traded to the Chiefs for a 3rd and a 6th, much more than I would have wanted to give up. The 3rd round pick traded was actually the compensatory pick the Chiefs got when the Bears signed Poles as GM.

 

The name that keeps going thru my head is Calvin Ridley. Obviously more of an offseason move, but I wonder A) what it would take and B) if Poles would even make that dice roll.

 

Ridley is probably the best way to get a really good WR without giving up a super high pick. There's literally 0 in free agency that are as productive as he was a couple years ago. He's due 9Mil for his 5th year option. Falcons were close to dealing him to Philly before his suspension was announced, so he'll be going somewhere. I'd imagine he'd be treated similarly to like a Robert Woods, who coming off a missed year w/ an ACL tear went for like a 5th and 6th or something. I wouldn't expect Ridley would cost much more than that. He's going to be almost 2 years removed by his next game. And he's also going to be 28 so not a spring chicken (he was almost Velus age when drafted).

 

For the Bears, he'd provide a competent WR. He also probably wouldn't cost an immediate contract extension, which is an issue with Mooney likely getting an extension this offseason. He has the incentive to let his play on the field earn his next contract in line with the elite WRs. The Bears would be able to franchise tag him in 2024 and then let him walk at 30, with Mooney's big numbers starting to kick in and hopefully a draft pick performing well.

 

But I wonder if Poles would add a guy that was suspended for a year for gambling. Seems to be a big image guy and IDK if he'd want Ridley on an otherwise pretty young roster. But man, I think the prospect cost and the financial obligation would make him a spectacular value if you can get him on the field.

 

The 2023 WR Free Agent class doesn't look all that strong, WR is either going to be addressed with the draft, trade or most likely both. I like the Ridley idea, could be something Poles may get heat for that'll turn out well.

 

Yeah, it really depends on how he approaches this offseason. He probably planned on making incremental improvements next year to be ready to make big splashes in 2024. But with 135Mil or whatever, he can't really build thru the draft for multiple years like he wants. We only have 1 offseason of extremely conservative moves and Ridley would definitely be a risky move based on his suspension and potential rustiness.

[WrigleyField 22]

[gflore34]

 

The name that keeps going thru my head is Calvin Ridley. Obviously more of an offseason move, but I wonder A) what it would take and B) if Poles would even make that dice roll.

 

Ridley is probably the best way to get a really good WR without giving up a super high pick. There's literally 0 in free agency that are as productive as he was a couple years ago. He's due 9Mil for his 5th year option. Falcons were close to dealing him to Philly before his suspension was announced, so he'll be going somewhere. I'd imagine he'd be treated similarly to like a Robert Woods, who coming off a missed year w/ an ACL tear went for like a 5th and 6th or something. I wouldn't expect Ridley would cost much more than that. He's going to be almost 2 years removed by his next game. And he's also going to be 28 so not a spring chicken (he was almost Velus age when drafted).

 

For the Bears, he'd provide a competent WR. He also probably wouldn't cost an immediate contract extension, which is an issue with Mooney likely getting an extension this offseason. He has the incentive to let his play on the field earn his next contract in line with the elite WRs. The Bears would be able to franchise tag him in 2024 and then let him walk at 30, with Mooney's big numbers starting to kick in and hopefully a draft pick performing well.

 

But I wonder if Poles would add a guy that was suspended for a year for gambling. Seems to be a big image guy and IDK if he'd want Ridley on an otherwise pretty young roster. But man, I think the prospect cost and the financial obligation would make him a spectacular value if you can get him on the field.

 

The 2023 WR Free Agent class doesn't look all that strong, WR is either going to be addressed with the draft, trade or most likely both. I like the Ridley idea, could be something Poles may get heat for that'll turn out well.

 

Yeah, it really depends on how he approaches this offseason. He probably planned on making incremental improvements next year to be ready to make big splashes in 2024. But with 135Mil or whatever, he can't really build thru the draft for multiple years like he wants. We only have 1 offseason of extremely conservative moves and Ridley would definitely be a risky move based on his suspension and potential rustiness.

 

Wasn't the past off season one of extremely conservative moves? At the very least, both lines must be addressed in a big way this next offseason. Appears that's possible with the draft and FA.

[Derwood]

Eagles agree to void last two years of Quinn's contract. He will be a free agent in 2023

[WrigleyField 22]

Eagles agree to void last two years of Quinn's contract. He will be a free agent in 2023

Pretty much procedural. There was no way they were gonna keep him at 14M salary owed.

[raw]

 

The 2023 WR Free Agent class doesn't look all that strong, WR is either going to be addressed with the draft, trade or most likely both. I like the Ridley idea, could be something Poles may get heat for that'll turn out well.

 

Yeah, it really depends on how he approaches this offseason. He probably planned on making incremental improvements next year to be ready to make big splashes in 2024. But with 135Mil or whatever, he can't really build thru the draft for multiple years like he wants. We only have 1 offseason of extremely conservative moves and Ridley would definitely be a risky move based on his suspension and potential rustiness.

 

Wasn't the past off season one of extremely conservative moves? At the very least, both lines must be addressed in a big way this next offseason. Appears that's possible with the draft and FA.

 

Yeah that's what I meant. We can't really determine what kind of risk/reward Poles will take in free agency based on the 1 offseason of conservative moves we have. Does he stay with low risk, low reward players at affordable contracts? Does he throw big money around, maybe even overpay for the top FAs? I think he underestimated the market last year (I'll blame the previous offseason during pandemic when values were down) and honestly think he thought he would be able to do more. But it could be that he's just bad at the job.

[WrigleyField 22]

Updated numbers, with help of PFF Brad.

 

Bears have 177M left to spend.

 

Draft pick bonuses and salary will be like 20-34M, let's call it 27.

 

So they have $150M in cash they need to spend. Brad suggested $50M in money to Roquan, JJ, and Mooney.

 

So $100M left to spend.

 

These numbers are all cash, but for reference Jags spent 90M+ in year 1 cash last year as the top FA spender. And they also franchised and extended Cam Robinson, which ended up being another 17.5M in cash.

 

Or another way to look at it, per Brad, they have to spend $244 next year and have $67 currently scheduled.

 

9 teams spent 244M+ this year, but only 4 of those weren't paying a big money QB. Miami also was just under that figure without paying for a QB:

 

Jacksonville, New York Jets, LA Chargers, Miami, Philadelphia. Those are your comparables for "how to spend $244M with a rookie QB contract". Blend their approaches and that is what Chicago's 2023 offseason looks like

[raw]

Updated numbers, with help of PFF Brad.

 

Bears have 177M left to spend.

 

Draft pick bonuses and salary will be like 20-34M, let's call it 27.

 

So they have $150M in cash they need to spend. Brad suggested $50M in money to Roquan, JJ, and Mooney.

 

So $100M left to spend.

 

These numbers are all cash, but for reference Jags spent 90M+ in year 1 cash last year as the top FA spender. And they also franchised and extended Cam Robinson, which ended up being another 17.5M in cash.

 

Or another way to look at it, per Brad, they have to spend $244 next year and have $67 currently scheduled.

 

9 teams spent 244M+ this year, but only 4 of those weren't paying a big money QB. Miami also was just under that figure without paying for a QB:

 

Jacksonville, New York Jets, LA Chargers, Miami, Philadelphia. Those are your comparables for "how to spend $244M with a rookie QB contract". Blend their approaches and that is what Chicago's 2023 offseason looks like

 

Well, I just hope they overpay some good players. Because they will definitely overpay, as we talked about. Going to be forced to be like Jacksonville, but hopefully they get the top tier guys instead of overpaying 3rd tier players.

[raw]

Also, per the ESPN and NFL app alerts, Larry Borom has been ruled out for this week with a concussion. Riley Reiff will start at RT in his place. Alex Leatherwood will be added to the active roster from the NFI list.