Week 2 - Bears @ Packers, SNF

[gflore34]

And then a segment of Bears Twitter then went into a predictable tailspin about refs highlighting any missed hold or false start they could find.

 

I thought the refs called a decent game except for the flag they inexplicitly picked up on a clear hold, with little explanation. But that had zero impact since it was a sack anyways.

 

Bears did their fair share of holding as well I guess. Although GB did get away with the hook around neck on the long pass play.

[gflore34]

 

I agree, I didn't understand why Bears fans were flipping out over that call. It may have slightly crossed over, but no way they are changing the call with the reviews we saw IMO. Bears fans should focus their ire on lining up in shotgun for a 1 inch sneak.

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

 

The point is that it was called short on the field and replay rules have always been “clear and obvious evidence needed to overturn”. Based on the reviews I saw, I don’t think it’s clear and obvious at all.

 

As said, the real issue was Nagy-ess play call, I do believe this staff is a step up and it was a mistake they'll learn from and we won't see it again.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I agree, I didn't understand why Bears fans were flipping out over that call. It may have slightly crossed over, but no way they are changing the call with the reviews we saw IMO. Bears fans should focus their ire on lining up in shotgun for a 1 inch sneak.

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

 

The point is that it was called short on the field and replay rules have always been “clear and obvious evidence needed to overturn”. Based on the reviews I saw, I don’t think it’s clear and obvious at all.

You're not correct about that. There was a view that showed the nose of the ball over the goal line live, they talked about it on air.

 

It doesn't really matter at this point. The refs chose differently

[WrigleyField 22]

I think the no call was a good one. Just went back and watched it.

 

 

Thia circled area is just an empty area. The ball was in his left arm, and you can't see the ball from beind his left arm there. He's holding the ball close to his body behind the left arm there, not outward from his body. A little bit of his left arm looks like it's across the goalie, but the ball needs to be. Maybe it did but certainly can't confirm it from that still.

 

I agree, I didn't understand why Bears fans were flipping out over that call. It may have slightly crossed over, but no way they are changing the call with the reviews we saw IMO. Bears fans should focus their ire on lining up in shotgun for a 1 inch sneak.

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

No that's the best image and we can't see the ball because it's behind his left arm.

[UMFan83]

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

 

The point is that it was called short on the field and replay rules have always been “clear and obvious evidence needed to overturn”. Based on the reviews I saw, I don’t think it’s clear and obvious at all.

You're not correct about that. There was a view that showed the nose of the ball over the goal line live, they talked about it on air.

 

It doesn't really matter at this point. The refs chose differently

 

I don’t know what to say, I saw all the replay angles and didn’t see clear evidence that it crossed the line.

[UMFan83]

Fields seemed pretty annoyed/frustrated in his post game presser. Got a lot of questions about the playcalling and he said something like “it’s not my job to call the plays, it’s my

job to execute to the best of my abilities”

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

The point is that it was called short on the field and replay rules have always been “clear and obvious evidence needed to overturn”. Based on the reviews I saw, I don’t think it’s clear and obvious at all.

You're not correct about that. There was a view that showed the nose of the ball over the goal line live, they talked about it on air.

 

It doesn't really matter at this point. The refs chose differently

 

I don’t know what to say, I saw all the replay angles and didn’t see clear evidence that it crossed the line.

I wish I could find it, but the barstool image is not it

[minnesotacubsfan]

Fields seemed pretty annoyed/frustrated in his post game presser. Got a lot of questions about the playcalling and he said something like “it’s not my job to call the plays, it’s my

job to execute to the best of my abilities”

In his defense, he did execute

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fields seemed pretty annoyed/frustrated in his post game presser. Got a lot of questions about the playcalling and he said something like “it’s not my job to call the plays, it’s my

job to execute to the best of my abilities”

 

He looked pretty upset on the sidelines in the closing minutes

[mias_tisg]

Didn't notice it Week 1 but Roquan looks very out of shape and slow

[jersey cubs fan]

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

 

The point is that it was called short on the field and replay rules have always been “clear and obvious evidence needed to overturn”. Based on the reviews I saw, I don’t think it’s clear and obvious at all.

 

As said, the real issue was Nagy-ess play call, I do believe this staff is a step up and it was a mistake they'll learn from and we won't see it again.

the real issue is the lack of talent on the line and receiver (not to mention every level of defense). If that’s a better play call they might cover the spread, but they weren’t winning.

[CubinNY]

That did not look like the same Green Bay team that played Minnesota a week earlier. I know week 1 and all, but they destroyed the LOS all night on both sides of the ball.

[scarey]

 

I agree, I didn't understand why Bears fans were flipping out over that call. It may have slightly crossed over, but no way they are changing the call with the reviews we saw IMO. Bears fans should focus their ire on lining up in shotgun for a 1 inch sneak.

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

No that's the best image and we can't see the ball because it's behind his left arm.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

"Slightly crossed over" is a TD

 

That image from barstool is hardly the best look. Finding a better image is fruitless at this point, but it broke the plane

No that's the best image and we can't see the ball because it's behind his left arm.

 

 

[attachment=0]td.jpg[/attachment]

There's a dark area that's probably some combo of hand, the ball, or just a shadow. :dontknow:

 

You can basically say definitely from that image that part of his wrist broke the plane, but that doesn't mean the ball did, since the ball was being held towards his body and he's roughly parallel to the plane at that point.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The camera that took that image is at the goal line. If the ball looks past the front edge of the GL, it's a TD

 

That's a TD, in the replay you can watch that brown spot all the way across it, and make no mistake it's the football. You can clearly see it is the football the whole time. This image is small and pixelated, it's hardly the best look, but even in it you can still make out the football crossed the goal line

Edited September 19, 2022 by minnesotacubsfan

[scarey]

No that's the best image and we can't see the ball because it's behind his left arm.

 

 

[attachment=0]td.jpg[/attachment]

There's a dark area that's probably some combo of hand, the ball, or just a shadow. :dontknow:

 

You can basically say definitely from that image that part of his wrist broke the plane, but that doesn't mean the ball did, since the ball was being held towards his body and he's roughly parallel to the plane at that point.

 

It's pretty clear where Justin Fields ends and the ball begins in this image. The ball passed the plane.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

So how much are we subscribing to the theory that Fields’ pre-garbage time NINE (9) passing attempts tells us what the coaching staff thinks of him. I mean, I get that we were gashing them on the ground but we were also down double digits essentially the entire game and meanwhile you’ve got Cooper Rush slinging it 30 times.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Fields has a long way to go. At some point we’ll start hearing about Poles and Flus wanting to pick their own quarterback. And around we go

Yea, I kinda already am getting the sense this is coming. Eleven total pass attempts in a game everyone (reasonable/rational) knew and expected us to lose and in which we were down double digits more or less the whole game is…something.

 

Don’t get me wrong, I *so* want Fields to be the guy. But man, it’s getting harder and harder to envision a scenario where that ends up happening.

[BigSlick]

Yeah really not interested in doing a JFK bullet analysis of the challenge on the goal line. A bad play call, a probable TD, but not a call the refs will overturn without incontrovertible evidence, which wasn’t there.

 

I think even if the coaches are doubting Fields abilities, 9 attempts is way too few before we’re down 3 scores in the 4th. There were downs where they ran which were basically forfeiting the drive. Running on 2nd and 19? You can’t do that. You simply cannot.

 

If Fields and the passblocking fails you in such circumstances, so be it. But you have to play modern football. You can’t surrender drives.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

 

[attachment=0]td.jpg[/attachment]

There's a dark area that's probably some combo of hand, the ball, or just a shadow. :dontknow:

 

You can basically say definitely from that image that part of his wrist broke the plane, but that doesn't mean the ball did, since the ball was being held towards his body and he's roughly parallel to the plane at that point.

 

It's pretty clear where Justin Fields ends and the ball begins in this image. The ball passed the plane.

That's only clear if you're high. It's literally unclear. It's a mess to decipher.

[CubinNY]

Yeah really not interested in doing a JFK bullet analysis of the challenge on the goal line. A bad play call, a probable TD, but not a call the refs will overturn without incontrovertible evidence, which wasn’t there.

 

I think even if the coaches are doubting Fields abilities, 9 attempts is way too few before we’re down 3 scores in the 4th. There were downs where they ran which were basically forfeiting the drive. Running on 2nd and 19? You can’t do that. You simply cannot.

 

If Fields and the passblocking fails you in such circumstances, so be it. But you have to play modern football. You can’t surrender drives.

There is working a game plan to Fields ability and then there is not giving him any chance to succeed. It makes little sense to just not try, but the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Old Style]

horsefeathers this stupid franchise and its fans. The expectations for Fields are just plain stupid. He is at the start of his 2nd season in the NFL with his 2nd coaching staff, a shitty OL (at least pass blocking-wise), no pass catchers whatsoever, and questionable play calling. He doesn't get any help from his defense either. Yet we expect All Pro level play because we've spent the last 3 decades getting shredded by Favre & Rodgers. And if anyone has forgotten, Rodgers spent three horsefeathering years on the sidelines learning before he was ever thrown into the fire. And he had much more talent around him to help him succeed. It's easy to see why the Bears never have any success at QB.

[BigbadB]

Yeah really not interested in doing a JFK bullet analysis of the challenge on the goal line. A bad play call, a probable TD, but not a call the refs will overturn without incontrovertible evidence, which wasn’t there.

 

I think even if the coaches are doubting Fields abilities, 9 attempts is way too few before we’re down 3 scores in the 4th. There were downs where they ran which were basically forfeiting the drive. Running on 2nd and 19? You can’t do that. You simply cannot.

 

If Fields and the passblocking fails you in such circumstances, so be it. But you have to play modern football. You can’t surrender drives.

There is working a game plan to Fields ability and then there is not giving him any chance to succeed. It makes little sense to just not try, but the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

It makes very little sense to not try. Which is why I don't think it's that quite yet. If they know Fields isn't their guy, why not throw him to the wolves and let him sink or swim? I think it's more of a lack of faith in the entire offense. This staff didn't draft Fields, so there is no reason to hide him or protect him from himself.

[scarey]

There's a dark area that's probably some combo of hand, the ball, or just a shadow. :dontknow:

 

You can basically say definitely from that image that part of his wrist broke the plane, but that doesn't mean the ball did, since the ball was being held towards his body and he's roughly parallel to the plane at that point.

 

It's pretty clear where Justin Fields ends and the ball begins in this image. The ball passed the plane.

That's only clear if you're high. It's literally unclear. It's a mess to decipher.

 

I'm really confused on why you want this to not be a TD so badly, but let me make it crystal horsefeathering clear to you.

 

[attachment=0]td with line.jpg[/attachment]

 

If you don't see a TD here... you have an agenda.

[jersey cubs fan]

The camera that took that image is at the goal line. If the ball looks past the front edge of the GL, it's a TD

 

That's a TD, in the replay you can watch that brown spot all the way across it, and make no mistake it's the football. You can clearly see it is the football the whole time. This image is small and pixelated, it's hardly the best look, but even in it you can still make out the football crossed the goal line

the orange line on this drawing is well outside the end zone