New CBA negotiations

[Cubswin11]

horsefeathers “small markets”

 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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[d_money]

horsefeathers “small markets”

 

That succinctly sums up the small market mentality

[Cubswin11]

horsefeathers “small markets”

 

That succinctly sums up the small market mentality

Yup. Can’t have it both ways of being subsidized with draft picks, IFA, revenue sharing as a “small market” team and then also dictate how the teams that actually spend go about business. Don’t want teams to outspend you, first off don’t own a horsefeathering team, you have money and secondly if they spend less you should get less handouts too you [expletive]

[Derwood]

This is on Rob Manfred. His job as commissioner is to get both sides to the table early and often. Say what you will about Roger Goodell, but there has never been a missed game on his watch

Commissioners largely are puppets and carrying out the wishes of owners, I really don’t know how much power they truly have. This is all on owners, imo. Not defending Manfred by any means but it’s not like he has autonomy to make a deal, the owners suck and he’s just a face/extension of them and they clearly don’t want to cut a deal outside of their extreme terms.

They choose him to break/weaken the union. He was among their top lawyers before they made him commissioner. He's doing his job.

 

Goodell is a shill for the NFL owners, yet he avoided a labor stoppage

[Cubswin11]

Commissioners largely are puppets and carrying out the wishes of owners, I really don’t know how much power they truly have. This is all on owners, imo. Not defending Manfred by any means but it’s not like he has autonomy to make a deal, the owners suck and he’s just a face/extension of them and they clearly don’t want to cut a deal outside of their extreme terms.

They choose him to break/weaken the union. He was among their top lawyers before they made him commissioner. He's doing his job.

 

Goodell is a shill for the NFL owners, yet he avoided a labor stoppage

Having a firm salary cap/revenue sharing set up certainly helps that. Also knowing they only have a 16-17 game season puts more pressure to get things done.

[Rex Buckingham]

I don't know why there is any discussion of what will happen if this stoppage only lasts like a week. We're losing a month minimum of the season. Horsefeathers these owners. If you don't want to pay players what they are worth, sell your team.

[Andy]

I don't know why there is any discussion of what will happen if this stoppage only lasts like a week. We're losing a month minimum of the season. Horsefeathers these owners. If you don't want to pay players what they are worth, sell your team.

Yeah, the 2 series is transparently in case the union folds. They aren't acting like they have the intention of folding, nor should they. They already made more compromises than they frankly should have. They should hold firm now. For once, it seems like public opinion isn't almost entirely pro-owner.

[UMFan83]

Duuuuudeee wtf

 

 

Was listening to ESPN 1000 tonight and Bleck and Abdalla were saying they weren’t pro player or pro owner but their arguments were all pro owner and dogging the players for not settling, trying to refute the point that players careers are finite by saying that being an MLB player gives you a leg up at getting another job when your career is over and then mentioned Shaq’s Papa John’s franchises as an example as if every player is rich and famous.

 

Just don’t know how anyone with half a brain can be pro owner in this debate

[Irrelevant Dude]

horsefeathers “small markets”

 

That succinctly sums up the small market mentality

Yup. Can’t have it both ways of being subsidized with draft picks, IFA, revenue sharing as a “small market” team and then also dictate how the teams that actually spend go about business. Don’t want teams to outspend you, first off don’t own a horsefeathering team, you have money and secondly if they spend less you should get less handouts too you [expletive]

Let's say I'm racing horses, and I can't afford to buy a top tier horse, so I settle for a more affordable horse that is unlikely to win but still capable of making money. Should the owners of better, more expensive, horses have to subsidize me so that I can buy better horses in the future? Or should I recognize that I bought a cheaper horse?

 

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[CubinNY]

Duuuuudeee wtf

 

 

Was listening to ESPN 1000 tonight and Bleck and Abdalla were saying they weren’t pro player or pro owner but their arguments were all pro owner and dogging the players for not settling, trying to refute the point that players careers are finite by saying that being an MLB player gives you a leg up at getting another job when your career is over and then mentioned Shaq’s Papa John’s franchises as an example as if every player is rich and famous.

 

Just don’t know how anyone with half a brain can be pro owner in this debate

The owners tried used car sales tactics on the players.

[CubinNY]

I don't know why there is any discussion of what will happen if this stoppage only lasts like a week. We're losing a month minimum of the season. Horsefeathers these owners. If you don't want to pay players what they are worth, sell your team.

Yeah, the 2 series is transparently in case the union folds. They aren't acting like they have the intention of folding, nor should they. They already made more compromises than they frankly should have. They should hold firm now. For once, it seems like public opinion isn't almost entirely pro-owner.

I would be surprised if there is a season at all.

[CyHawk_Cub]

The predictable #bothsides'ism among my circle of baseball fan acquaintances is amusing to the extent that any shade cast at owners is merely subterfuge to appear objective. Fans hating the players they watch getting paid will always confuse me.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

The predictable #bothsides'ism among my circle of baseball fan acquaintances is amusing to the extent that any shade cast at owners is merely subterfuge to appear objective. Fans hating the players they watch getting paid will always confuse me.

I think it's projection. They have no remaining fantasies that they can be a professional baseball player, but most idiots still think they can get rich. It's their last remaining ambition/dream.

[Cubfanintheknow]

The predictable #bothsides'ism among my circle of baseball fan acquaintances is amusing to the extent that any shade cast at owners is merely subterfuge to appear objective. Fans hating the players they watch getting paid will always confuse me.

I think it's projection. They have no remaining fantasies that they can be a professional baseball player, but most idiots still think they can get rich. It's their last remaining ambition/dream.

 

Hate the people that grouse, "They're getting paid millions to play a game I'd play for peanuts!" Except no, you wouldn't. Not when you know how much owners are raking in because of your effort. Not when you didn't even make peanuts working your way up through the minors. Not when you have such a narrow window to make good money. Not when owners mess around with you to manipulate your service time.

 

horsefeathers the owners.

[Sammy Sofa]

The predictable #bothsides'ism among my circle of baseball fan acquaintances is amusing to the extent that any shade cast at owners is merely subterfuge to appear objective. Fans hating the players they watch getting paid will always confuse me.

 

Yeah, the people talking about here at work are probably, like, 90% blame the players. Like you said, even if they toss in some gripe about the owners, it always circles back to, "these guys are getting paid millions to play a game!"

[UMFan83]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/ross-stripling-mlb-mlbpa-negotiations.html

 

“It got to be like 12:30 [in the morning] and the fine print of their CBT proposal was stuff we had never seen before,” says Stripling. “They were trying to sneak things through us, it was like they think we’re dumb baseball players and we get sleepy after midnight or something. … They pushed us to a deadline that they imposed, and then they tried to sneak some horsefeathers past us at that deadline and we were ready for it.”

 

I probably won’t but would love to be alive for the moment these baby boy billionaires slip up enough to rouse the masses into action (ha!). I genuinely can’t tell if these slimy worms think they’re clever or just know they have all the guns, seem to be becoming less and less cautious as they buy up more and more of the world

 

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https://twitter.com/wavingatyou/status/1499055924094328834?s=20&t=E2MkFMHl8bXqDqqiAM0PfQ

 

Meh I'm not sure if Kris Bryant is the best example. The Cubs manipulated his service time because it was very low risk for him to miss 2 weeks in order to gain an extra year of control. If they had to keep him out until like Memorial Day to ensure he doesn't win ROY in a year they were definitely trying to contend, I think that's a bridge too far.

 

Certainly can see it being damaging in other scenarios though when a team isn't in a win now mode.

[Andy]

The Cubs probably would've kept Bryant down a couple weeks longer if not for the fact that every other third baseman on the team was getting injured. I suspect they knew the optics were bad and hoped to make it look a bit less obvious what they were doing.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's also self-defeating, because if you hold someone back for the first weeks/month of the season their odds of winning ROY go down. Just to skim recent years:

 

2021: the ROY and 2nd place in both leagues were rostered the full season

2019: Alvarez didn't come up til June, and Soroka debuted on April 18th

2018: Acuna debuted April 25th, Soto May 20th

2017: Bellinger debuted April 25th, DeJong May 28th

2016: Fulmer debuted April 29th, Turner June 3rd, and Sanchez August 3rd

2015: Bryant debuted April 17th, Lindor June 14th, Correa June 8th

 

So of the last 24 players who would've gotten the extra service year, 12 of them got it anyway(10 of the last 16!), and 5 more debuted so late that service time wasn't the primary(or secondary) reason.

[Bertz]

 

Passan also indicating that ~1 month/25 games, which is when teams find themselves in major trouble with their RSNs, is likely the nuclear point.

[Banedon]

[CubinNY]

Not to mention the order of magnitude difference between a billion and a million.

[cl smooth]

 

a buddy sent this my way so i can't take credit for it:

 

The Hustler: Bill Veeck and Roster Depreciation Allowance

 

In his 1962 memoir, The Hustler’s Handbook, Veeck describes how he first claimed the RDA with the IRS in 1946 following his purchase of the Cleveland Indians. Veeck assigned 90% of the team’s value to ‘intangible assets,’ or player contracts, which Veeck argued depreciated over time as players’ skills diminished. It’s a tax rule meant to address, for example, depreciations in the productive value of aging livestock used for work, breeding, or milk production.

[CubinNY]

I hope someone who is much smarter than me with a much bigger audience points out that it’s rich (pun intended) these billionaires understand so-called socialism when it benefits them, but not when it doesn’t. Helping out the smaller market is the same as helping the disadvantaged. They are paying lots to make sure society doesn’t work that way.

[Bertz]