Passan - Bryant to the Giants

[UMFan83]

Per Fangraphs, the Bryant trade bumped the Cubs farm system up from 10th to 9th

 

They still have just the 1 top 100 prospect

 

getting major leaguers in the kimbrel trade plus a hurt PCA really killed our chances to move up dramatically.

 

I was going to edit it and point that out but the board is moving too slow for me. My point was to show how little the needle moved after trading Bryant.

[minnesotacubsfan]

... hurt PCA..

 

how/what did he hurt?

[Tryptamine]

Per Fangraphs, the Bryant trade bumped the Cubs farm system up from 10th to 9th

 

They still have just the 1 top 100 prospect

 

Yes but they have 5-6 guys in the 100-150 range.

[Tryptamine]

... hurt PCA..

 

how/what did he hurt?

 

Shoulder surgery.

[bukie]

Feelings right now:

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

Per Fangraphs, the Bryant trade bumped the Cubs farm system up from 10th to 9th

 

They still have just the 1 top 100 prospect

 

Yes but they have 5-6 guys in the 100-150 range.

 

 

and a pitcher who could climb very quickly and a OF who, once he heals could also climb quickly

it still sucks. I miss Bryzzo and Baez too much

[David]

[David]

Per Fangraphs, the Bryant trade bumped the Cubs farm system up from 10th to 9th

 

They still have just the 1 top 100 prospect

 

Yes but they have 5-6 guys in the 100-150 range.

 

the depth is pretty nuts right now

 

[sneakypower]

That return is awful. Almost seems like Hoyer waited too long and took the best package left available to him before having to keep Bryant.

 

Garbage trade, garbage organization.

 

This is what pisses me off. Watching Bryant cry when finding out he was traded and knowing that the return was underwhelming. You didn't *have* to dump Bryant. Keeping him gives you at least a better chance of re-signing him, and if he doesn't then the worst case scenario is a comp pick. I just don't know why Jed thought he had to dump all 3 for whatever he could get.

 

*And i like the Rizzo and Kimbrel trades and thought Javy's was ok. But this seems terrible to me.

i mean they supposedly gave him 200+ million reasons to stay and he chose not to, it's a business

[Old Style]

Willy, Heyward, and Hendricks only guys left from 2016

I know he left and came back but isn’t Arrieta still on the roster?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We lost the chance for him to resign when we played service time games.

[toonsterwu]

I think everything this front office does is reasonable, but it's obviously a disappointing return. What I find puzzling isn't that the Cubs took it (still better than a comp pick and the pool money) - what I find more puzzling is that a team like the Rays didn't try to step up. Or anyone really. It's a lottery ticket and a high floor strike throwing arm that's probably a number 4, but maybe the developments he's made makes him mid-rotation. In the prospect scheme of things, it's not a lot. Or ... the Cubs just really like these guys.

[KingCubsFan]

We lost the chance for him to resign when we played service time games.

From the moment he was drafted, it seemed pretty obvious with Boras as his agent that he was going to test free agency. It would have happened regardless of whether Theo got us that extra year.

[Thusly Boned]

We lost the chance for him to resign when we played service time games.

From the moment he was drafted, it seemed pretty obvious with Boras as his agent that he was going to test free agency. It would have happened regardless of whether Theo got us that extra year.

 

This is true, but the service time BS definitely added a little acrimony to the equation, maybe enough rp preclude any kind of team friendliness that might have help the effort to re-sign him.

 

But I am being totally honest (and maybe not rational), as much as I love KB, how his production caters whenever he gets dinged, which he frequently does, scared the horsefeathers out of me when it came to a prospective long term deal.

[UMFan83]

That return is awful. Almost seems like Hoyer waited too long and took the best package left available to him before having to keep Bryant.

 

Garbage trade, garbage organization.

 

This is what pisses me off. Watching Bryant cry when finding out he was traded and knowing that the return was underwhelming. You didn't *have* to dump Bryant. Keeping him gives you at least a better chance of re-signing him, and if he doesn't then the worst case scenario is a comp pick. I just don't know why Jed thought he had to dump all 3 for whatever he could get.

 

*And i like the Rizzo and Kimbrel trades and thought Javy's was ok. But this seems terrible to me.

i mean they supposedly gave him 200+ million reasons to stay and he chose not to, it's a business

 

I'm not saying Jed maliciously dealt KB when he wanted to be here. I'm just saying that given the light return (though it seems to look better the more I read about it), it seemed to me like Jed was hell bent on dumping him no matter what. But if the return isn't good, I'd rather keep him and take the slightly higher chance of resigning in the offseason and worse case you end up with a comp pick. When I made that post I felt like KB was dumped when he didn't have to be.

 

But again, I'm coming around a little bit on the return so I might feel differently now.

[UMFan83]

We lost the chance for him to resign when we played service time games.

From the moment he was drafted, it seemed pretty obvious with Boras as his agent that he was going to test free agency. It would have happened regardless of whether Theo got us that extra year.

 

Agreed, he was always going to test FA, but the service time thing ensured that we would have to be the top bidder to keep him I think. I could be wrong though, people don't usually sign with Scott Boras to take hometown discounts.

 

But I really wish I knew how KB actually felt. The images of him staring out of the dugout, crying when finding out he's being traded, saying all the right things about wanting to be here. But on the flip side he obviously didnt forget about the service time manipulation. He was quoted talking about it in an article earlier this week, so its still on his mind.

[OleMissCub]

Willy, Heyward, and Hendricks only guys left from 2016

I know he left and came back but isn’t Arrieta still on the roster?

 

Ya that was just a brain fart on my part

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Are we sure he wasn't crying because he was happy?

[UMFan83]

While it’s certainly possible the Giants were not willing to negotiate with cash considerations, it’s certainly disappointing

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

I remember when we finally traded Dempster. We got this guy who nobody had heard of. There was a lot of dismay going around the Cubweb. Then some researched that guy, and, despite really good numbers, the scouting reports made the critics even more sour. A few years later that guy pitched 5 shutout innings in game 7 of the World Series.

 

This trade kind of reminds me of that one, only Killian's reports are much more exciting. I mean his numbers are ridiculous. I'm gonna give this one some time. But he was certainly the "get" in the deal IMO.

[mias_tisg]

I remember when we finally traded Dempster. We got this guy who nobody had heard of. There was a lot of dismay going around the Cubweb. Then some researched that guy, and, despite really good numbers, the scouting reports made the critics even more sour. A few years later that guy pitched 5 shutout innings in game 7 of the World Series.

 

This trade kind of reminds me of that one, only Killian's reports are much more exciting. I mean his numbers are ridiculous. I'm gonna give this one some time. But he was certainly the "get" in the deal IMO.

Dempster wasn't really that good at that point, think I was hoping for anything

[SouthSideRyan]

I remember when we finally traded Dempster. We got this guy who nobody had heard of. There was a lot of dismay going around the Cubweb. Then some researched that guy, and, despite really good numbers, the scouting reports made the critics even more sour. A few years later that guy pitched 5 shutout innings in game 7 of the World Series.

 

This trade kind of reminds me of that one, only Killian's reports are much more exciting. I mean his numbers are ridiculous. I'm gonna give this one some time. But he was certainly the "get" in the deal IMO.

 

And that guy’s name. Was Richard Nixon

[UMFan83]

I remember when we finally traded Dempster. We got this guy who nobody had heard of. There was a lot of dismay going around the Cubweb. Then some researched that guy, and, despite really good numbers, the scouting reports made the critics even more sour. A few years later that guy pitched 5 shutout innings in game 7 of the World Series.

 

This trade kind of reminds me of that one, only Killian's reports are much more exciting. I mean his numbers are ridiculous. I'm gonna give this one some time. But he was certainly the "get" in the deal IMO.

Dempster wasn't really that good at that point, think I was hoping for anything

 

Well the Cubs did reportedly have a deal in place with the Braves for a top 50 prospect (Randall Delgado) and Dempster rejected it and the expected return went public. So at that point our expectations were likely skewed.

 

As it was Mike Olt was a fringe top 100 prospect so the return was actually decent value for 2 months of Dempster. It just so happens Delgado and Olt had relatively disappointing careers and a throw in (Hendricks) turned into a stud

[mias_tisg]

I remember when we finally traded Dempster. We got this guy who nobody had heard of. There was a lot of dismay going around the Cubweb. Then some researched that guy, and, despite really good numbers, the scouting reports made the critics even more sour. A few years later that guy pitched 5 shutout innings in game 7 of the World Series.

 

This trade kind of reminds me of that one, only Killian's reports are much more exciting. I mean his numbers are ridiculous. I'm gonna give this one some time. But he was certainly the "get" in the deal IMO.

Dempster wasn't really that good at that point, think I was hoping for anything

 

Well the Cubs did reportedly have a deal in place with the Braves for a top 50 prospect (Randall Delgado) and Dempster rejected it and the expected return went public. So at that point our expectations were likely skewed.

 

As it was Mike Olt was a fringe top 100 prospect so the return was actually decent value for 2 months of Dempster. It just so happens Delgado and Olt had relatively disappointing careers and a throw in (Hendricks) turned into a stud

That's right, we didn't think Dempster was gonna be moved so people were fine with any return. They got Christian Villanueva in the Dempster deal with Hendricks, who people were pumped about. Olt was in the Matt Garza deal

[Bertz]

Right-hander Caleb Kilian was the Giants’ eighth-round pick in 2019 out of Texas Tech, and in 100 2/3 pro innings up through Double A, he has now walked all of 11 guys and struck out 113. He’s always had a good fastball, working at 93-95 as a starter this year, though his slider has become a possible out pitch for him and he has the four-pitch mix to be a starter long-term, including enough changeup to neutralize lefties. I’m also intrigued by any college pitcher who finds some new pitch or other skill in pro ball, since we tend to treat those guys — especially when they’re not high picks — as finished products.

 

Keith Law on Kilian.