Rizzo traded to the Yankees

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it started with a trade for a vizcaino, and it ends with a trade for a vizcaino

[Rob]

Kevin Alcantara is rated on fangraphs as a 50 FV player.

 

I’ve made no change to Alcantara’s FV from last year since I can’t find anyone from outside the Yankees org who has seen him, though his ranking among the 50 FV prospects in the system has changed based on continued conversations about him with front office personnel from other clubs. For context, Alcantara was fourth on my international list in 2018, and was one of the players the Yankees promoted from the DSL to the GCL in the middle of the summer of 2019. He was part of New York’s DR instructs in the Fall. Athletic 6-foot-6 outfielders who can rotate like Alcantara can are rare, and this young man might grow into elite power at maturity. He is loose and fluid in the box but does have some swing-and-miss issues, though it’s not because lever length is causing him to be late — it’s more of a barrel accuracy issue right now. This is one of the higher ceiling teenagers in the minors, but of course Alcantara might either take forever to develop or never develop at all. (DR Instructional League)

 

Vizcaino is rated as a 45.

 

A velo bump and uptick in changeup quality (he now has one of the nastier cambios in the minors) were the cornerstones of a 2019 breakout for Vizcaino, who was promoted to Hi-A Tampa for his final five starts of the year. While he now has 70-grade fastball velocity, his long arm action and three quarters slot create sinking action on the pitch that ends up generating groundballs more than swings and misses. The whiffs are going to come from the changeup, which bottoms out as if a trap door has opened beneath it just as it approaches the plate. At this age, I think the breaking ball refinement necessary to make Vizcaino a starter is unlikely, but I would have said the same thing about his fastball and changeup last year. (Alternate site)

 

In our system that would place Alcantara as the 2nd or 3rd best player (approximately even with Preciado) and Vizcaino as somewhere in the 9-12 range.

 

It's a really good return for a couple months of Rizzo, honestly. We got about as much for him as we did for Darvish.

[Thusly Boned]

I can't see Rizzo coming back. He'll be too expensive for Jed/Ricketts or too popular somewhere else.

 

God I hate PTR for not allowing the Verlander deal, We all deserved another WS, fans and Riz

 

Sentimentality aside, if Rizzo wasn't/isn't going to settle for less than 5+ years, letting him go is easily the right decision. He's not far off being done.

 

This is not meant as a defense of the Ricketts, but being a big market team doesn't excuse spending foolishly.

 

In retrospect, re-working his contract 2-3 years ago to give him a raise and tack on 2-4 more years seems like it would have been appropriate, but that's water under the bridge at this point.

[Derwood]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

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Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

thanks for the comp derwood

[Derwood]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

thanks for the comp derwood

 

I"m here to help

[soccer10k]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

Counterpoint: Jason Hammel came back after we traded him to Oakland.

[The_Achiever]

am i the only one who doesn't really feel sentimental about this? it's all just meh to me. maybe it's because this has been coming for so long, or maybe because of the vaccine stuff. i don't know. i'm just not really feeling sad at the moment, and i was pretty sad the day len left.

 

Same, I'm over it and this team has been going nowhere for a while. Although it'll be sad when KB and Javy go (if they indeed do, despite there being reasons to move on).

 

However they better get to work on building this thing back up. No reason the Cubs shouldn't be perennial contenders.

[Andy]

Alcantara is more by himself than I figured we could get for Rizzo, so that's good, but I'm still pretty despondent.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bluejackets = Cubs - Yankees

 

Got it

[Andy]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

Counterpoint: Jason Hammel came back after we traded him to Oakland.

Hammel hadn't publicly turned down a perceived lowball extension. I'd be pretty stunned if Rizzo came back.

 

That said, someone will have to play first base for this group next year, so who knows.

[17 Seconds]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

Counterpoint: Jason Hammel came back after we traded him to Oakland.

Hammel hadn't publicly turned down a perceived lowball extension. I'd be pretty stunned if Rizzo came back.

 

That said, someone will have to play first base for this group next year, so who knows.

 

hosmer

[minnesotacubsfan]

Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

[minnesotacubsfan]

Right now it is anyway

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Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

 

hosmer is my nightmare scenario. horsefeathers that guy. i'd deal with it if it meant getting one of SD's top guys, but imagining hosmer on the cubs is gross

[UMFan83]

[minnesotacubsfan]

Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

 

hosmer is my nightmare scenario. horsefeathers that guy. i'd deal with it if it meant getting one of SD's top guys, but imagining hosmer on the cubs is gross

I'd assume a haul from SD in that scenario, but right now I'm so pessimistic

 

 

I just assume Hosmer is bad at baseball, is there more to him then I'm aware of? Is he wife beater? Is his contract an albatross?

Edited July 30, 2021 by minnesotacubsfan

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i always see that dom guy sympathizing with the ricketts and telling everyone to support the organization even though this is happening

[Derwood]

Bluejackets = Cubs - Yankees

 

Got it

 

EXACTLY

[17 Seconds]

Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

 

hosmer is my nightmare scenario. horsefeathers that guy. i'd deal with it if it meant getting one of SD's top guys, but imagining hosmer on the cubs is gross

I'd assume a haul from SD in that scenario, but right now I'm so pessimistic

 

 

I just assume Horner is bad at baseball, is there more to him then I'm aware of? Is he wife beater? Is his contract an albatross?

 

just a total meathead. lots of small stuff over the years. hates analytics, is/was one of SD's last guys to get vaccinated, etc.

[Tryptamine]

 

hosmer is my nightmare scenario. horsefeathers that guy. i'd deal with it if it meant getting one of SD's top guys, but imagining hosmer on the cubs is gross

I'd assume a haul from SD in that scenario, but right now I'm so pessimistic

 

 

I just assume Horner is bad at baseball, is there more to him then I'm aware of? Is he wife beater? Is his contract an albatross?

 

just a total meathead. lots of small stuff over the years. hates analytics, is/was one of SD's last guys to get vaccinated, etc.

 

If he comes with Hassell who cares?

[The SABR Gamer]

Having just seen my hockey team trade off a bunch of guys, I can tell you that they won't come back. They all signed deals elsewhere almost immediately after free agency opened

 

Some golden commentary in this thread from the most obvious of people you’d expect it to come from.

[Tim]

Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

Wisdom at 3B, Rivas at 1B.

[David]

Wisdom

 

Hosmer is way too optimistic

 

optimistic? lol

[toonsterwu]

I'm sure most of the takes have been made and I haven't read them yet, but I love this deal. This is fantastic. Truthfully, I don't think the value is all that different from a Gallo trade, but just that there's a lot more risk. Considering it's for an aging, on the decline, impending FA Rizzo ... I think it's fantastic.

 

By no means does this mean I think we got ourselves two lock, stock studs. That said, Alcantara's ceiling intrigues me for more than any of the guys going in the Gallo deal (you are betting heavy that Duran has somehow turned the corner on his hit tool, which might be, but I'm not ready to buy it yet). Vizcaino reminds me of another Vizcaino that was in the Yankees organization - Arodys. A bit different, but the upside is intriguing. If I'm being honest, at his age, it's unlikely he's a starter.

 

This is a very good return for Rizzo.

 

Edit: I mean, I could see the Cubs continuing to try Vizcaino as a starter, but I think long run, he's probably a pen arm. Wouldn't change how I feel on the deal.

 

Also, I honestly forgot Arodys Vizcaino was with the Cubs.