2021 Bears season

[We Got The Whole 9]

The lack of All Pro selections will hurt him/them

 

Hester is the only of the 4 that I see getting in. He was just in a whole other stratosphere. Tillman forced more fumbles than you would ever expect from a CB but I'm not sure that's enough to make him a HOF.

 

Hester will be our last HOF inductee for quite some time. I kind of don't think they'll vote him in on the first shot.

[WrigleyField 22]

The lack of All Pro selections will hurt him/them

 

Hester is the only of the 4 that I see getting in. He was just in a whole other stratosphere. Tillman forced more fumbles than you would ever expect from a CB but I'm not sure that's enough to make him a HOF.

 

Hester will be our last HOF inductee for quite some time. I kind of don't think they'll vote him in on the first shot.

Peppers will make it, though I know people won't think of him as ours. But guys don't go in under a team for the NFL HOF.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Tillman, Hester, Kruetz, and Briggs are all HOF eligible. Am I crazy in thinking all of them deserve it? Definitely the first 3.

 

you're crazy thinking those 2 above Briggs. I'd say Hester, Briggs, Kruetz, Tillman in that order

 

Really? I think opposite order after Hester. Hester, Tillman, Kruetz, Briggs. I don't think the latter 2 really belong. Both are pretty close, IMO, but I don't think quite uniquely good enough for HOF worthiness. Tillman's case will be really helped by the fact that his name is heard every week whenever someone knocks out a fumble. Hester is the pure definition of uniquely good. He should be 1st ballot, IMO.

Yes. I think back at the time when they were playing and can't help but think of how much of an impact Briggs had.

 

Tillman tho, always:

 

 

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Pro football references HOF monitor doesn't put any of those guys particulary close. Obviously Hesters credentials are gonna be hard to accurately reflect with that as they're trying to compare him to WR.

 

Tillman going in basically on the basis of the Peanut punch? I don't know.

 

The Peanut Punch was that good though. 44 forced fumbles. 6th all time. Everyone above and within 8 FF of him is a pass rusher that forced fumbles by blindsiding QBs. Closest DB to him is Brian Dawkins, a recent HOF at safety. He's also tied for 15th in passes defensed. Ronde Barber (has a HOF case as well) and Champ Bailey (HOF) are the only exclusive CBs to have more all-time tackles where Tillman is 35th all time in solo tackles. If Tillman could have stayed healthy 2 more years late in his career, he would have likely hit 40-45 INTs and 50 FF (top 3 all time), which would have made him a shoe-in. He's also well respected and an ultimate good person and former Walter Payton man of the year winner and is doing the FBI stuff, which may also play into swaying some votes on the fence.

[UMFan83]

How do you accurately evaluate the HOF credentials of an OL like Kreutz? He was a Center which I would think lowers his standing over a Tackle or even a Guard. He was a 6 time pro bowler, 2 time all-pro (one 1st team, one 2nd team), named to the 2000's all decade team and consistent presence and leader on the Bears line for 13 seasons.

 

A comparison can be made with Kevin Mawae, the other Center named to the 2000's all decade team. He was enshrined in 2019. But he had 8 all-pros, 7 of them 1st team so Kreutz's resume pales in comparison. But if he's in there, I guess Kreutz has a small shot of making it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't really pay much attention to who does and does not get into the HOF but I don't expect any of these Bears to get there. To get multiple defenders from the same defense you need to have won a Super Bowl I assume. Are there any examples of 2/3 guys from the same defense making the Hall w/o a title? For an offensive linemen to get in the line has to have been reputationally excellent for an extended time. I think the lack of quality offense with him in there drags down Kreutz chances. And outside of Chicago I doubt many people think Hester should get in as a returner.

[Old Style]

And outside of Chicago I doubt many people think Hester should get in as a returner.

I think you couldn't be more wrong about this in particular from your post.

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I don't really pay much attention to who does and does not get into the HOF but I don't expect any of these Bears to get there. To get multiple defenders from the same defense you need to have won a Super Bowl I assume. Are there any examples of 2/3 guys from the same defense making the Hall w/o a title? For an offensive linemen to get in the line has to have been reputationally excellent for an extended time. I think the lack of quality offense with him in there drags down Kreutz chances. And outside of Chicago I doubt many people think Hester should get in as a returner.

 

Most famous example are the Purple People eater Vikings defenders with Alan Page and Carl Eller in the HOF. Then you have Chris Doleman and John Randle who overlapped 4-5 years in Minnesota. But yeah, you have a good point here. The most similar to the 2000s Bears is probably the Eagles of the 90s with Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons, Eric Allen, etc. All really good players who had some all-pro seasons, several pro bowls between them, but White was their Urlacher and is the only 1 in the Hall.

 

Kreutz was probably top 3 at his position for most of his career. But he wasn't a dominant type of player. And yeah, Bears didn't have a 2000 yard rusher or a 4000 yard passer that he blocked for until late in his career in NO.

 

I completely disagree on Hester. I think Atlanta got to see a little bit of what he brought to the table late in his career. Many opponents dreaded kicking to him as well and there's also the rules changes that he influenced (though those were safety influenced as well). He also has very quantifiable statistics with the most return TDs (and non-offensive) TDs in NFL history. We already saw a kicker get in, so I think that opens the door for Hester.

[WrigleyField 22]

Pro football references HOF monitor doesn't put any of those guys particulary close. Obviously Hesters credentials are gonna be hard to accurately reflect with that as they're trying to compare him to WR.

 

Tillman going in basically on the basis of the Peanut punch? I don't know.

 

The Peanut Punch was that good though. 44 forced fumbles. 6th all time. Everyone above and within 8 FF of him is a pass rusher that forced fumbles by blindsiding QBs. Closest DB to him is Brian Dawkins, a recent HOF at safety. He's also tied for 15th in passes defensed. Ronde Barber (has a HOF case as well) and Champ Bailey (HOF) are the only exclusive CBs to have more all-time tackles where Tillman is 35th all time in solo tackles. If Tillman could have stayed healthy 2 more years late in his career, he would have likely hit 40-45 INTs and 50 FF (top 3 all time), which would have made him a shoe-in. He's also well respected and an ultimate good person and former Walter Payton man of the year winner and is doing the FBI stuff, which may also play into swaying some votes on the fence.

I guess ulitimately that HOF Monitor gets quite a bit of influence from AP/PB bids which is what Tillman has to overcome as he wasnt as appreciated as he should have been most his career.

[Bertz]

[champaignchris]

Tillman, Hester, Kruetz, and Briggs are all HOF eligible. Am I crazy in thinking all of them deserve it? Definitely the first 3.

 

Jay Hilgenberg should be in before any of them.

[Old Style]

We are trading a 6th round 2023 pick to Miami for WR Jakeem Grant?

[jersey cubs fan]

We are trading a 6th round 2023 pick to Miami for WR Jakeem Grant?

a horsefeathering return man? Is that really what this team was missing?

[WrigleyField 22]

We are trading a 6th round 2023 pick to Miami for WR Jakeem Grant?

a horsefeathering return man? Is that really what this team was missing?

Its a move a contender makes, so yea it makes zero sense.

[Old Style]

We are trading a 6th round 2023 pick to Miami for WR Jakeem Grant?

a horsefeathering return man? Is that really what this team was missing?

I guess they don't want Herbert doing it anymore since Monty & Cohen are out but this is ridiculous. Grant is a FA after this season too.

[BigbadB]

I thought Webster was brought in to be the return man.

[WrigleyField 22]

I thought Webster was brought in to be the return man.

I mean we can't be too surprised their waiver wire returner didn't work out.

[BigbadB]

I thought Webster was brought in to be the return man.

I mean we can't be too surprised their waiver wire returner didn't work out.

 

For some reason I was thinking he was more than a waiver wire pickup. Nevermind.

[UK]

Stephon Gilmore would look amazing in Chicago that would lock down 2 solid CBs and two pass rushers.

[WrigleyField 22]

Stephon Gilmore would look amazing in Chicago that would lock down 2 solid CBs and two pass rushers.

Didn't he suck last year and now is coming off injury?

 

Sounds like a trade could still go down before the EOD. Read one rumor the Pack are favorites.

[UMFan83]

Stephon Gilmore would look amazing in Chicago that would lock down 2 solid CBs and two pass rushers.

 

How would we be able to afford him? 31 year old pro bowl CB would be great if we were contenders.

[PackLandVA]

Gilmore to Panthers foe a 6th. Jaylon Smith was just released by the ‘boys.

[Tryptamine]

Gilmore to Panthers foe a 6th. Jaylon Smith was just released by the ‘boys.

 

If only we a 6th round pick.

[Bertz]

 

It's not an exhaustive list, but if the Bears truly only have one guy, and he graduated in 2015 (though granted, from horsefeathering MIT) that's a big problem.

[UMFan83]

 

It's not an exhaustive list, but if the Bears truly only have one guy, and he graduated in 2015 (though granted, from horsefeathering MIT) that's a big problem.

 

A big problem and yet not surprising one bit