Darvish & Caratini to the Padres for Zach Davies & 4 Rookie Ball Prospects

[d_money]

Why yes I'm drinking tonight.

Marquis has tennis and kickboxing on tonight, so at least you got that going for ya.

[17 Seconds]

i wonder when they drop the chris myers bomb

[imb]

so we're not even saving money lol?

 

i'd rather darvish got to pitch for a winner and i wasn't planning on watching any of this horsefeathers anyway. The rebuild is gonna give me a nice little rest period where i can just keep tabs on the minors guys off and on and ignore the team in general and then jump back in if we ever plan on winning more than 80 games again.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Man this trade sucks, I don’t care if the guys turn out, it’s a terrible process. You HAVE to get a top end prospect for Darvish and Caratini, especially taking on Davies salary. 4 lotto tickets 17-20 or whatever is insane. This indicates to me we are burning this to the ground with those prospect’s time horizon’s. Tank time.

If it's any consolation, they'll probably move the newly acquired prospects for bullpen arms anyway.

[Tryptamine]

I doubt it makes anyone feel any better, but Santana was in the FG 2020 top 10 Padres prospects (at #8): https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-53-prospects-san-diego-padres/

 

Fantrax top 500 prospects has

 

Caissie #197

Preciado #164

Mena #216

[Tim]

damn...we are going *young* on the return

 

19, 18, 17 & 16 (almost 17) for those four guys.

 

It doesn't really make it okay, but between this trade, Ed Howard, and the last two IFA classes the Cubs now have a pretty absurd collection of teenagers. Like holy crap.

 

But it's wild that this trade didn't have a better headliner. Like I'd have been pretty fine with Cronenworth or Morejon plus these four. But this is just so little near term value. This is not the "step back in 2021 to take two steps forward in 2022" deal that I was bracing for.

Yeah, I was expecting prospects of around this quality, but much closer to contributing. I get going for as much upside as you can, but these guys all have a ton of risk.

[mias_tisg]

Has there ever been a trade involving someone as good as Yu Darvish where you can't figure out what the headliner is in return? Pretty sure even the trades that end poorly at least have a headliner coming back for the really good player. And the Cubs threw in Victor Caratini too if it wasn't bad enough.

[Splendid Splinter]

I think the question now becomes is where do these guys rank in the Cubs prospect list?

[d_money]

Younger prospects allows additional time for the indoctrination period of the Cubs Way philosophy. [emoji38]

[Tim]

I think the question now becomes is where do these guys rank in the Cubs prospect list?

Considering only one of them has had pro at bats, that's a really tough question. Right around where Kevin Made is ranked, I guess.

[Cubswin11]

I think the question now becomes is where do these guys rank in the Cubs prospect list?

They were all top 20 guys for the Padres so maybe like 8-15 for us. But these guys have literally never played or have played very little. They’re all complete lotto tickets.

[Jaxbro]

Why do I get the feeling the Cubs just received 4 Kevin Maitans????

[SouthSideRyan]

damn...we are going *young* on the return

 

19, 18, 17 & 16 (almost 17) for those four guys.

 

It doesn't really make it okay, but between this trade, Ed Howard, and the last two IFA classes the Cubs now have a pretty absurd collection of teenagers. Like holy crap.

 

Just in time for us to contract low level minor league clubs

[abuck1220]

I think we'll look back on this in 2 or 3 years and be fine with this deal. The most disappointing aspect is that it looks like they're going long term rebuild so we can expect 3 or 4 years of really bad baseball. I was hoping for a 1 year retool and back to decent in 2022.

Rebuilds aren’t easy and we were spoiled by the most successful one in sports history. It’s far more likely we aren’t a playoff team for another 10+ years than it is we have this thing back on track in 3-4 years like last time.

 

I don’t know what the most successful rebuild in sports history is, but it wasn’t this one. intentionally sucked for 3 seasons, had an unexpected pleasant surprise in 2015, dominated in 2016, were still pretty good in 2017 and 2018-2020 were varying degrees of mediocrity/awfulness. and now we’re apparently heading back to the 2012-2014 era.

 

if jose ramirez is standing six inches to his right, the theo era would be considered a total failure.*

 

*realizing that’s a big if and the WS in the middle of what looks like a horsefeathers sandwich is a pretty humongous plus.

[ChiCubsFan]

What we gonna get for Hendricks?

[UK]

Just when my interest in politics was decreasing and my interest in the Cubs was gaining momentum...

 

Raw, please give us farm reports again...

 

This is either an expected haul for a #2-#3 starter or a trade deadline deal without many matches. This doesn't compute.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

I’m almost 55 years old and have been pretty obsessed with the Cubs since I was 5. This is the most disgusted and disappointed I’ve ever been with a trade. The only other one close for me is the Lee Smith trade.

[Tim]

fwiw - here's the fangraphs comparison of the current prospect rankings for the Cubs & Padres to see how they stack up:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2020-in-season-prospect-list/summary?sort=-1,1&pg=0&team=sdp,chc

 

This would put Santana at #6 for us at the moment. I'm not sure how influenced they are by his .427 babip, though. He's already carrying around a 20% strikeout rate in his second pass at rookie ball. He screams high-risk.

[Clem Fandango]

What we gonna get for Hendricks?

 

We'll get nothing and we'll LIKE IT

[The_Achiever]

At least there is outrage about this move. Now every baseball fan on Twitter knows the tale of poor Tom Ricketts!

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

So if I'm reading this right, this is a bad salary dump with an underwhelming prospect haul where we actually take on salary!? How can we even blame this on PTR? Wtf is going on here?!

[Tim]

So if I'm reading this right, this is a bad salary dump with an underwhelming prospect haul where we actually take on salary!? How can we even blame this on PTR? Wtf is going on here?!

1) We are reducing salary; likely by a significant amount

2) The prospects themselves are okay, they are just all really far away and high risk

 

But this deal still sucks. It could turn out nicely a few years from now if 1-2 of these guys pan out. But we're taking on way too much risk while moving a pitcher who just finished a 2.01 ERA season.

[Cubswin11]

1) We are reducing salary; likely by a significant amount

2) The prospects themselves are okay, they are just all really far away and high risk

 

But this deal still sucks. It could turn out nicely a few years from now if 1-2 of these guys pan out. But we're taking on way too much risk while moving a pitcher who just finished a 2.01 ERA season.

 

I wouldn't underestimate the risk with Darvish. At 34 with a TJ surgery under his belt, dominating a 162 off a 60 is not a small ask. I'd imagine injury models aren't a fan when considering the expected leap in workload and high stress workload. The skillset is beautiful otherwise, but on the spectrum of trades this is more towards the A's trading Rich Harden than the D'Backs trading for Schilling (is how I've worked it out in my head since this trade happened)

The risk is there, but the contract isn’t bad and the most recent performance the last 1.5 years has been near best in the league. You also took a decent amount of money back in Davies and included Vic. Sure Gore/top 1-5 prospect in baseball isn’t the return but there should’ve been a top 15-25 prospect in this that’s closer to MLB and/or a controlled ready piece like Paddack.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Harden!? Lol. We're mid-season tank Billie Beane A's now!? And we also jettison Vic for no reason!? Man, I'm just going to stay away from the internet for a week. This horsefeathers is infuriating.

[MWV]