The Bears still have to play games (I guess it's Packers week too)

[WrigleyField 22]

Man, pro-football reference has put their game index searches behind a pay wall, which sucks. Trying to figure out the recent history of NFL coaches with 5+ game losing streaks.

 

Anyways, just manually searching through several of the past years I can only find a couple coaches who survived a 5 game losing streak in their 3rd year or later (plenty of 1st and 2nd year coaches survive losing streaks like that). It just so happens most of these long losing streaks of that variety are from those 1st or 2nd year coaches. So already not friendly company for Nagy. The guys who did survive;

O'Brien/Houston in 2017

Garrett/Dallas in 2015

Coughlin/New York in 2014

Smith/Atlanta in 2013

 

O'Brien is the only one Nagy is in remotely a similar situation to (O'Brien was in year 4 at that point, and Houston made FO changes that offseason). Coughlin was a two time SB champ. Smith was in his 6th year with playoff births in 4 of his first 5. Garrett and Jerry just had that weird relationship where Garrett out welcomed his stay from seemingly day 1. He was in year 6 despite pretty average results.

 

ETA- found another. 2018 Carolina/Rivera. They had an epic collapse, starting at 6-2 before rattling of 7 straight losses. Rivera survived that but was in year 8 and had 4 playoff births and a SB trip to his name by that point.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Do you guys think the Bears will ever have a good QB?

[WrigleyField 22]

Do you guys think the Bears will ever have a good QB?

Give me an over/under.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

When the Bears are proven to be frauds and the entire fanbase is out for blood and rebuilds, as most of us have been predicting would happen for a year

 

 

"Its never as good as you think it's going to be."

 

[UK]

[jersey cubs fan]

Garrett and Jerry just had that weird relationship where Garrett out welcomed his stay from seemingly day 1.

 

Out welcoming your stay should be a phrase. Like instead of out staying your welcome, a bad guest situation, you have an overly gracious host that turns off the guest.

[champaignchris]

 

I forgot how much they paid for Chase Daniel. The same year the Bears signed Daniel to that 2 year/$10MM contract, Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Bucs for i year/$3MM.

 

But you can do that with that entire list of qbs. They overpaid for Glennon when they could have gotten Case Keenum (among others) for half the price. They traded up for Mitch when they could have traded down for Watson or Mahomes (or Mitch). They spent a draft pick and a ton of cash for Foles when they could have gotten guys like Dalton or Bridgewater for just cash.

 

And none of this is 20/20 hindsight. People were saying these things at the time they were happening.

[WrigleyField 22]

Garrett and Jerry just had that weird relationship where Garrett out welcomed his stay from seemingly day 1.

 

Out welcoming your stay should be a phrase. Like instead of out staying your welcome, a bad guest situation, you have an overly gracious host that turns off the guest.

Damn I knew that didn't sound right but was tired and just went for it.

[WrigleyField 22]

I wish there was just a Theo type hire out there, but obviously he was such a unicorn hire. Well respected, young, proven. The closest I can come up with is Schnieder in Seattle who's been the number 2 to Carroll the whole time and Roseman in PHI who did technically build a SB champ, but looking at the whole of the results is pretty meehhh.

 

I don't really want the Chiefs guy who's been under Reid the whole time or anyone from under Bellicheck.

 

This Dodds guy does sound interesting. Or maybe just hire from within with Champ Kelly who's gotten some buzz. Riddick I'm kinda meh on.

[Old Style]

Turned the game off early in the 2nd quarter. Mad at myself for not doing so sooner.

[Old Style]

I can't believe this staff and front office remains the same with this garbage.

 

New ownership is needed. Virginia and the rest of the McCaskeys are utter failures too.

 

I doubt they’ll sell, so I guess the question is, do the McCaskeys have a “Rocky” in the family?

They prefer Mickey.

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[gflore34]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

[minnesotacubsfan]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

 

 

he drove a used toyota camry. pace liked his modesty

 

I woke up this morning thinking on the bright side, if the bears tank the rest of the season they have a legit shot at a QB in the 1st round worth drafting. Then I remembered that the NFC East existed and now I'm depressed again

[jersey cubs fan]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

physical tools and earnestness

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I forgot how much they paid for Chase Daniel. The same year the Bears signed Daniel to that 2 year/$10MM contract, Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Bucs for i year/$3MM.

 

But you can do that with that entire list of qbs. They overpaid for Glennon when they could have gotten Case Keenum (among others) for half the price. They traded up for Mitch when they could have traded down for Watson or Mahomes (or Mitch). They spent a draft pick and a ton of cash for Foles when they could have gotten guys like Dalton or Bridgewater for just cash.

 

And none of this is 20/20 hindsight. People were saying these things at the time they were happening.

 

 

its stunning, in all of professional sports, the Bears are the WORST at evaluating the most important position predicating the teams success, and they've been the worse at doing so for horsefeathering decades

[UMFan83]

 

I forgot how much they paid for Chase Daniel. The same year the Bears signed Daniel to that 2 year/$10MM contract, Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Bucs for i year/$3MM.

 

But you can do that with that entire list of qbs. They overpaid for Glennon when they could have gotten Case Keenum (among others) for half the price. They traded up for Mitch when they could have traded down for Watson or Mahomes (or Mitch). They spent a draft pick and a ton of cash for Foles when they could have gotten guys like Dalton or Bridgewater for just cash.

 

And none of this is 20/20 hindsight. People were saying these things at the time they were happening.

 

 

its stunning, in all of professional sports, the Bears are the WORST at evaluating the most important position predicating the teams success, and they've been the worse at doing so for horsefeathering decades

 

You'd think that they'd accidentally get it right at least once. But no, 23 years ago they traded a 1st round pick for a QB that was legitimately awful his first 4 years in the league and now today they are still making terrible decisions in the face of better options. (to be fair, the 97 draft was historically awful for QBs, I believe the best one taken was Plummer but still doesn't excuse targeting that dude with your first round pick)

[Rex Buckingham]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

 

 

he drove a used toyota camry. pace liked his modesty

 

I woke up this morning thinking on the bright side, if the bears tank the rest of the season they have a legit shot at a QB in the 1st round worth drafting. Then I remembered that the NFC East existed and now I'm depressed again

 

Well, the Cowboys probably won't draft a QB in Rd 1 even with Dak returning from a bad injury. Giants may stick with Daniel Jones. Eagles could be in the market, or could believe Wentz still has enough. Gotta root for Washington to win that division and thus pick behind the Bears.

[gflore34]

 

I forgot how much they paid for Chase Daniel. The same year the Bears signed Daniel to that 2 year/$10MM contract, Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Bucs for i year/$3MM.

 

But you can do that with that entire list of qbs. They overpaid for Glennon when they could have gotten Case Keenum (among others) for half the price. They traded up for Mitch when they could have traded down for Watson or Mahomes (or Mitch). They spent a draft pick and a ton of cash for Foles when they could have gotten guys like Dalton or Bridgewater for just cash.

 

And none of this is 20/20 hindsight. People were saying these things at the time they were happening.

 

 

its stunning, in all of professional sports, the Bears are the WORST at evaluating the most important position predicating the teams success, and they've been the worse at doing so for horsefeathering decades

 

You'd think that they'd accidentally get it right at least once. But no, 23 years ago they traded a 1st round pick for a QB that was legitimately awful his first 4 years in the league and now today they are still making terrible decisions in the face of better options. (to be fair, the 97 draft was historically awful for QBs, I believe the best one taken was Plummer but still doesn't excuse targeting that dude with your first round pick)

 

I was thinking along the same lines, how did the Bears manage to draft the worst starting QB AGAIN. It's got to be something beyond scouting, there has to be some other factor.

[gflore34]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

 

 

he drove a used toyota camry. pace liked his modesty

 

I woke up this morning thinking on the bright side, if the bears tank the rest of the season they have a legit shot at a QB in the 1st round worth drafting. Then I remembered that the NFC East existed and now I'm depressed again

 

Well, the Cowboys probably won't draft a QB in Rd 1 even with Dak returning from a bad injury. Giants may stick with Daniel Jones. Eagles could be in the market, or could believe Wentz still has enough. Gotta root for Washington to win that division and thus pick behind the Bears.

 

And we do not know for certain Pace/Nagy will be gone, if they're around doing the drafting of a QB the result will not be good. This is the biggest obstacle to getting it correct, not those teams drafting ahead of the Bears.

Edited November 30, 2020 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

 

its stunning, in all of professional sports, the Bears are the WORST at evaluating the most important position predicating the teams success, and they've been the worse at doing so for horsefeathering decades

 

You'd think that they'd accidentally get it right at least once. But no, 23 years ago they traded a 1st round pick for a QB that was legitimately awful his first 4 years in the league and now today they are still making terrible decisions in the face of better options. (to be fair, the 97 draft was historically awful for QBs, I believe the best one taken was Plummer but still doesn't excuse targeting that dude with your first round pick)

 

I was thinking along the same lines, how did the Bears manage to draft the worst starting QB AGAIN. It's got to be something beyond scouting, there has to be some other factor.

 

I was looking at a mock draft last week and noticed they had Mac Jones being drafted in the first round. I thought to myself, "who the horsefeathers would draft Mac Jones in the 1st?" and then realized the mock had the Bears doing so.

 

makes total sense really.

[minnesotacubsfan]

What made Mitch so attractive to Pace in the first place? We've seen the pro game is too fast and complicated for him, not to mention he just plain horsefeathering sucks, surely there must have been hints at possible troubles in film studies.

 

 

he drove a used toyota camry. pace liked his modesty

 

I woke up this morning thinking on the bright side, if the bears tank the rest of the season they have a legit shot at a QB in the 1st round worth drafting. Then I remembered that the NFC East existed and now I'm depressed again

 

Well, the Cowboys probably won't draft a QB in Rd 1 even with Dak returning from a bad injury. Giants may stick with Daniel Jones. Eagles could be in the market, or could believe Wentz still has enough. Gotta root for Washington to win that division and thus pick behind the Bears.

 

my point had more to do with the idea that there will be LOTS of crappy teams drafting before the Bears do and that will deplete the QB market by the time they draft. Unless the bears lose out, then they might have a shot at the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft, ie table scraps

 

I can see Pace trading up already

Edited November 30, 2020 by minnesotacubsfan

[minnesotacubsfan]

that was a weird dbl post

[gflore34]

 

 

he drove a used toyota camry. pace liked his modesty

 

I woke up this morning thinking on the bright side, if the bears tank the rest of the season they have a legit shot at a QB in the 1st round worth drafting. Then I remembered that the NFC East existed and now I'm depressed again

 

Well, the Cowboys probably won't draft a QB in Rd 1 even with Dak returning from a bad injury. Giants may stick with Daniel Jones. Eagles could be in the market, or could believe Wentz still has enough. Gotta root for Washington to win that division and thus pick behind the Bears.

 

my point had more to do with the idea that there will be LOTS of crappy teams drafting before the Bears do and that will deplete the QB market by the time they draft. Unless the bears lose out, then they might have a shot at the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft, ie table scraps

 

I can see Pace trading up already

 

Maybe the approach needs to start with the OL instead of a QB, yeah Mitch sucks but, Pace patch work garbage OL's aren't helping.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Well, the Cowboys probably won't draft a QB in Rd 1 even with Dak returning from a bad injury. Giants may stick with Daniel Jones. Eagles could be in the market, or could believe Wentz still has enough. Gotta root for Washington to win that division and thus pick behind the Bears.

 

my point had more to do with the idea that there will be LOTS of crappy teams drafting before the Bears do and that will deplete the QB market by the time they draft. Unless the bears lose out, then they might have a shot at the 3rd or 4th best QB in the draft, ie table scraps

 

I can see Pace trading up already

 

Maybe the approach needs to start with the OL instead of a QB, yeah Mitch sucks but, Pace patch work garbage OL's aren't helping.

 

 

I think it depends on where they draft. If they can get the BYU or NDSU QB, I think they have to do it. But if both are gone, then yes draft OL, best available, and take a flier in the later rounds on a guy like JT Daniels if he comes out. but they also need more offensive weapons. A guy like Bateman could be a great pick in the mid to late 1st.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I forgot how much they paid for Chase Daniel. The same year the Bears signed Daniel to that 2 year/$10MM contract, Ryan Fitzpatrick signed with the Bucs for i year/$3MM.

 

But you can do that with that entire list of qbs. They overpaid for Glennon when they could have gotten Case Keenum (among others) for half the price. They traded up for Mitch when they could have traded down for Watson or Mahomes (or Mitch). They spent a draft pick and a ton of cash for Foles when they could have gotten guys like Dalton or Bridgewater for just cash.

 

And none of this is 20/20 hindsight. People were saying these things at the time they were happening.

 

 

its stunning, in all of professional sports, the Bears are the WORST at evaluating the most important position predicating the teams success, and they've been the worse at doing so for horsefeathering decades

 

You'd think that they'd accidentally get it right at least once. But no, 23 years ago they traded a 1st round pick for a QB that was legitimately awful his first 4 years in the league and now today they are still making terrible decisions in the face of better options. (to be fair, the 97 draft was historically awful for QBs, I believe the best one taken was Plummer but still doesn't excuse targeting that dude with your first round pick)

 

That '97 team was fun to look up. Mirer started 3 games(games 4-6) en route to an 0-7 start. After sitting at 1-10, tied with the Colts for worst record in the NFL, they'd close the season 3-2, chasing down the Cardinals, Chargers, and Raiders, dropping to the 5th overall pick(while losing the 4 way tiebreaker at 4-12)...which they used on Curtis Enis.