The Bears still have to play games (I guess it's Packers week too)

[raw]

then got a handpicked QB that knew his system to show it wasn't him but the QB, and both have failed..

I think it's a bit misleading to refer to Foles as a handpicked QB. The guy was on the verge of retirement before coming through as a backup and getting overpaid, then quickly dumped.

 

Foles was a quintessential hold the fort QB. The Bears were never going to win a bunch of games with Nick Foles as the QB. He was Mitch's babysitter. Nagy has never had a handpicked QB. That would come with his next draft pick, if he gets one.

 

I mean, Foles wasn't the pick of the litter choice, but he was definitely picked because he "knew the offense". And the fact that the leash was so quick with Mitch and Nagy went from calling a bunch of stuff under center, playaction, and half field reads to calling the stuff he wanted to run that he felt Trubisky couldn't execute supports this theory.

[jersey cubs fan]

then got a handpicked QB that knew his system to show it wasn't him but the QB, and both have failed..

I think it's a bit misleading to refer to Foles as a handpicked QB. The guy was on the verge of retirement before coming through as a backup and getting overpaid, then quickly dumped.

 

Foles was a quintessential hold the fort QB. The Bears were never going to win a bunch of games with Nick Foles as the QB. He was Mitch's babysitter. Nagy has never had a handpicked QB. That would come with his next draft pick, if he gets one.

 

I mean, Foles wasn't the pick of the litter choice, but he was definitely picked because he "knew the offense". And the fact that the leash was so quick with Mitch and Nagy went from calling a bunch of stuff under center, playaction, and half field reads to calling the stuff he wanted to run that he felt Trubisky couldn't execute supports this theory.

Chase Daniels was similarly handpicked. If you asked Nagy the day he signed with the Bears who he wanted to be playing QB in 2020, he wouldn't have said Foles. They had to bring in somebody, because they knew Mitch sucked and they couldn't draft anybody. Foles was chosen because of his history with the system, but he wasn't a guy they secretly wanted to have all along. He was their idea of making lemonade out of lemons. Handpicked QBs are the guys head coaches want from the start, either through the draft or some young free agent/trade target other teams don't value. Foles was an old beat up guy who lost multiple jobs to multiple quarterbacks.

[gflore34]

 

Yeah, I kinda feel that way too. I do buy that the McKaskey's love Pace, and the whole revamping of Halas Hall shows that they were in on Pace for the long haul. My first hangup is the lame duck contract situation. I do kinda feel like the decision is either fire or extend this offseason. Can't have a lame duck situation. That benefits nobody. The other is that GMs don't typically get to hire 3 coaches. Maybe there is some legitimacy to Fox being pushed on him and not counting against Pace, but I feel you have to get rid of Nagy if not Pace. Nagy's record is fine, but clearly not sustainable without an offense, and he was brought here to fix the offense. He was brought in to groom Trubisky, then got a handpicked QB that knew his system to show it wasn't him but the QB, and both have failed. I don't think you can bring in a new QB and assume he can put him in the best position at this point. While it may be unfair to Nagy that he was strapped to Mitch (especially if Pace is not), it kinda is what it has to be at this point.

 

how do you feel about Lazor's play calling? Granted, it could be hard to judge based on the junk time he had on Sunday night, but could the combo of Nagy HC and Lazor play caller work going forward?

 

I thought Lazor dialed up some good plays, some Mitch hit on, others he completely missed. Which begs the question, can Mitch grow with Lazor or is he just flat out too stupid?

 

I never thought playcalling was the problem really with Nagy. It's just a general offensive philosophy that doesn't really have a go-to, bread-and-butter type play or concept. And I judge that based on the fact that Bears can't even script points. They don't score consistently in the first half of games, even this week got their TD with seconds left in the half. They don't score at all in the 3rd quarter. First and third quarters are supposed to be when you script the first 10-15 plays designed to score points. In the last 1 2/3 seasons they've been abysmal in those scripted plays.

 

And I guess I'm not really concerned about the Mitch/Lazor combination. Best case scenario is Mitch is here 6 more games (5 regular season and if they win enough of them a 1-and-done playoff game). I don't think the Nagy/Lazor can work out. Still the same issue the last 2 games of no early points, nothing out of halftime.

 

The OL is terrible that's a big factor, I'm certain Lazor can see what's available, what can be exploited but, when you've got a line that's unable block it's pretty difficult to execute those plays. Then there's Mitch, it's too fast and complicated for him out there, opposing defenses know he's unable to do things that'll hurt them. They'll leave those holes open taking away the limited number of Mitch things is capable of, with such limitations its not hard to see why it seems like a small miracle every time they score a TD.

[WrigleyField 22]

I think it's a bit misleading to refer to Foles as a handpicked QB. The guy was on the verge of retirement before coming through as a backup and getting overpaid, then quickly dumped.

 

Foles was a quintessential hold the fort QB. The Bears were never going to win a bunch of games with Nick Foles as the QB. He was Mitch's babysitter. Nagy has never had a handpicked QB. That would come with his next draft pick, if he gets one.

 

I mean, Foles wasn't the pick of the litter choice, but he was definitely picked because he "knew the offense". And the fact that the leash was so quick with Mitch and Nagy went from calling a bunch of stuff under center, playaction, and half field reads to calling the stuff he wanted to run that he felt Trubisky couldn't execute supports this theory.

Chase Daniels was similarly handpicked. If you asked Nagy the day he signed with the Bears who he wanted to be playing QB in 2020, he wouldn't have said Foles. They had to bring in somebody, because they knew Mitch sucked and they couldn't draft anybody. Foles was chosen because of his history with the system, but he wasn't a guy they secretly wanted to have all along. He was their idea of making lemonade out of lemons. Handpicked QBs are the guys head coaches want from the start, either through the draft or some young free agent/trade target other teams don't value. Foles was an old beat up guy who lost multiple jobs to multiple quarterbacks.

Well in that definition of handpicked, its possible Nagy doesn't get his handpicked QB in 2021 either. You can draft a Kyle Trask maybe, but he may well just be the best of an average lot.

 

So definitely don't want to force it just to give Nagy a toy. At least not in the first. Hell I wanted them to sign PJ Walker after the XFL. That type of investment or a mid round pick is the extent of the QB Nagy will get to choose from unless the board goes lucky for the Bears and their preferred QB drops.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Kyle Trask screams Jay Cutler to me, big, strong arm but not the type of play action RPO QB we thought Nagy would be utilizing when they hired him

 

eta: thats not to say I don't think he could be a solid NFL QB, he just doesnt seem to fit the direct I thought the offense wanted to go

[WrigleyField 22]

Kyle Trask screams Jay Cutler to me, big, strong arm but not the type of play action RPO QB we thought Nagy would be utilizing when they hired him

 

eta: thats not to say I don't think he could be a solid NFL QB, he just doesnt seem to fit the direct I thought the offense wanted to go

Jay probably could have ran a decent RPO, at least athletically. Perhaps not mentally. By the end of his run I guess they were doing a tiny bit of it. Also is Trask as big of an arm talent as Jay was?

 

Comparison aside, that's kind of the point though too. I'm not necessarily opposed to the fact that we're resigned to possibly reaching on QBs, but I'm not sure Nagy need figure into it. Let's not worry about a system guy. I kind of rhink a lot about the success Buffalo is seeing with Allen this year. It took a few years but they developed him underneath a D head coach and a OC who wasn't a big system guy. Compared to Mitch's development, light years better and they were similarly risky/raw projects.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Kyle Trask screams Jay Cutler to me, big, strong arm but not the type of play action RPO QB we thought Nagy would be utilizing when they hired him

 

eta: thats not to say I don't think he could be a solid NFL QB, he just doesnt seem to fit the direct I thought the offense wanted to go

Jay probably could have ran a decent RPO, at least athletically. Perhaps not mentally. By the end of his run I guess they were doing a tiny bit of it. Also is Trask as big of an arm talent as Jay was?

 

Comparison aside, that's kind of the point though too. I'm not necessarily opposed to the fact that we're resigned to possibly reaching on QBs, but I'm not sure Nagy need figure into it. Let's not worry about a system guy. I kind of rhink a lot about the success Buffalo is seeing with Allen this year. It took a few years but they developed him underneath a D head coach and a OC who wasn't a big system guy. Compared to Mitch's development, light years better and they were similarly risky/raw projects.

 

I thought Trask has the "big arm". whatever, if he is a slow, big noodle armed QB (anything less the Cutler with Trask's profile would be noodle-armed IMO), I want nothing to do with him mid 1st, there are likely to be far more talented options available mid 1 like OT, WR, EDGE, etc. All of which we need. (Now that I say this, we is most certainly the second coming of Roethlisberger...)

 

 

If we take a project, I'd rather draft JT Daniels in the 3rd/4th whatever. He's always had the talent, its the injury that derailed him in college.

[WrigleyField 22]

Kyle Trask screams Jay Cutler to me, big, strong arm but not the type of play action RPO QB we thought Nagy would be utilizing when they hired him

 

eta: thats not to say I don't think he could be a solid NFL QB, he just doesnt seem to fit the direct I thought the offense wanted to go

Jay probably could have ran a decent RPO, at least athletically. Perhaps not mentally. By the end of his run I guess they were doing a tiny bit of it. Also is Trask as big of an arm talent as Jay was?

 

Comparison aside, that's kind of the point though too. I'm not necessarily opposed to the fact that we're resigned to possibly reaching on QBs, but I'm not sure Nagy need figure into it. Let's not worry about a system guy. I kind of rhink a lot about the success Buffalo is seeing with Allen this year. It took a few years but they developed him underneath a D head coach and a OC who wasn't a big system guy. Compared to Mitch's development, light years better and they were similarly risky/raw projects.

 

I thought Trask has the "big arm". whatever, if he is a slow, big noodle armed QB (anything less the Cutler with Trask's profile would be noodle-armed IMO), I want nothing to do with him mid 1st, there are likely to be far more talented options available mid 1 like OT, WR, EDGE, etc. All of which we need. (Now that I say this, we is most certainly the second coming of Roethlisberger...)

 

 

If we take a project, I'd rather draft JT Daniels in the 3rd/4th whatever. He's always had the talent, its the injury that derailed him in college.

I think Jay was something more than big armed. He was like that 95th percentile arm, whereas a wider range of guys might qualify as "big armed". I don't know, somewhat subjective adjectives I guess.

[WrigleyField 22]

Re:Trask, this doesn't sound big armed. I think he's just big size.

Some have compared Trask’s all-around game to that of a bigger Kirk Cousins or even a Mason Rudolph. Some have compared him, because of his size, to Ben Roethlisberger.

https://nflmocks.com/2020/11/29/kyle-trask-tough-2021-nfl-draft-prospect/

[minnesotacubsfan]

HARD pass

 

maybe in the 5th

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Kyle Trask screams Jay Cutler to me, big, strong arm but not the type of play action RPO QB we thought Nagy would be utilizing when they hired him

 

eta: thats not to say I don't think he could be a solid NFL QB, he just doesnt seem to fit the direct I thought the offense wanted to go

Jay probably could have ran a decent RPO, at least athletically. Perhaps not mentally. By the end of his run I guess they were doing a tiny bit of it. Also is Trask as big of an arm talent as Jay was?

 

Comparison aside, that's kind of the point though too. I'm not necessarily opposed to the fact that we're resigned to possibly reaching on QBs, but I'm not sure Nagy need figure into it. Let's not worry about a system guy. I kind of rhink a lot about the success Buffalo is seeing with Allen this year. It took a few years but they developed him underneath a D head coach and a OC who wasn't a big system guy. Compared to Mitch's development, light years better and they were similarly risky/raw projects.

 

I thought Trask has the "big arm". whatever, if he is a slow, big noodle armed QB (anything less the Cutler with Trask's profile would be noodle-armed IMO), I want nothing to do with him mid 1st, there are likely to be far more talented options available mid 1 like OT, WR, EDGE, etc. All of which we need. (Now that I say this, we is most certainly the second coming of Roethlisberger...)

 

 

If we take a project, I'd rather draft JT Daniels in the 3rd/4th whatever. He's always had the talent, its the injury that derailed him in college.

 

JT Daniels is well known enough that I can't see him falling that far even with the abbreviated number of games he's played. That said, I think he's headed back to school and will have a chance to threaten Sam Howell for top QB in 2022.

[WrigleyField 22]

HARD pass

 

maybe in the 5th

I mean I'd probably take my chance in the 2nd.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Jay probably could have ran a decent RPO, at least athletically. Perhaps not mentally. By the end of his run I guess they were doing a tiny bit of it. Also is Trask as big of an arm talent as Jay was?

 

Comparison aside, that's kind of the point though too. I'm not necessarily opposed to the fact that we're resigned to possibly reaching on QBs, but I'm not sure Nagy need figure into it. Let's not worry about a system guy. I kind of rhink a lot about the success Buffalo is seeing with Allen this year. It took a few years but they developed him underneath a D head coach and a OC who wasn't a big system guy. Compared to Mitch's development, light years better and they were similarly risky/raw projects.

 

I thought Trask has the "big arm". whatever, if he is a slow, big noodle armed QB (anything less the Cutler with Trask's profile would be noodle-armed IMO), I want nothing to do with him mid 1st, there are likely to be far more talented options available mid 1 like OT, WR, EDGE, etc. All of which we need. (Now that I say this, we is most certainly the second coming of Roethlisberger...)

 

 

If we take a project, I'd rather draft JT Daniels in the 3rd/4th whatever. He's always had the talent, its the injury that derailed him in college.

 

JT Daniels is well known enough that I can't see him falling that far even with the abbreviated number of games he's played. That said, I think he's headed back to school and will have a chance to threaten Sam Howell for top QB in 2022.

 

Maybe he wouldn't fall that far, but if there is a legit run on QBs in the 1st, the market for teams drafting QB's might dry up to where hes available in the 2nd or 3rd. But also, I agree its very possible he doesn't come out this year. There was a rumor that he might.

 

ETA: he's just a guy I'd keep a close eye on

Edited December 1, 2020 by minnesotacubsfan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I still kind of like Nagy. I think the problems with his playcalling are in the same vein as fans always thinking there's some perfect usage order that will turn a crappy bullpen into a good one. I'm not saying he doesn't pull out some weird ones once in awhile, but he's trying to work around some major personnel issues.

 

Pace is the one I have a problem with. He has no sense of value. He figures out which player is "his guy" and then overpays for him. Then we all act shocked when the roster is thin or has glaring holes, but that's a direct result of him overpaying for stuff. Even if you think Trubisky is your guy, giving away three picks to move up that one spot is insane. Mack is great but he's not worth two firsts *and* a huge contract. There were more crappy but not completely worthless QBs than jobs this offseason, but he still traded a 4th for Foles. Etc., etc.

 

Plus this last offseason just didn't make sense. Signing Quinn, making your biggest investment in OL be some random retread castoff, letting Patterson be your RB3. That's some crazy stuff.

 

But since I'm not interested in keeping Pace, you have to ship Nagy too, because I'm not saddling the new guy with a legacy HC.

[Tim]

At this point, I'd prefer some short term sacrifice in the draft. We're not one draft away from being good. Trade back whenever possible, build capital, don't get too hung up on particular guys.

 

So, be the anti-Pace.

[WrigleyField 22]

I still kind of like Nagy. I think the problems with his playcalling are in the same vein as fans always thinking there's some perfect usage order that will turn a crappy bullpen into a good one. I'm not saying he doesn't pull out some weird ones once in awhile, but he's trying to work around some major personnel issues.

 

Pace is the one I have a problem with. He has no sense of value. He figures out which player is "his guy" and then overpays for him. Then we all act shocked when the roster is thin or has glaring holes, but that's a direct result of him overpaying for stuff. Even if you think Trubisky is your guy, giving away three picks to move up that one spot is insane. Mack is great but he's not worth two firsts *and* a huge contract. There were more crappy but not completely worthless QBs than jobs this offseason, but he still traded a 4th for Foles. Etc., etc.

 

Plus this last offseason just didn't make sense. Signing Quinn, making your biggest investment in OL be some random retread castoff, letting Patterson be your RB3. That's some crazy stuff.

 

But since I'm not interested in keeping Pace, you have to ship Nagy too, because I'm not saddling the new guy with a legacy HC.

I agree the play calling thing is overblown. Mostly I think it comes from fans who'd be happy if they rushed 30 times every game. He probably does have some run abandonment issues but not to the scale some might suggest. And Pace letting the line go has hurt. I agree this offseason made little sense.

 

But even with certain talent deficiencies, it seems clear he's not some sort of offensive genius. He's probably fine, but that was a focused search to find the best offensive mind and I think we can say it failed. Can he be an okay head coach and just hire good coordinators and worry about team management? Perhaps. But theres also probably lot of guys like that. I don't see a huge opportunity cost at this point if they chose to move on.

[WrigleyField 22]

At this point, I'd prefer some short term sacrifice in the draft. We're not one draft away from being good. Trade back whenever possible, build capital, don't get too hung up on particular guys.

 

So, be the anti-Pace.

Meh. Granted a lot will be lower value picks but they're slated to already have 3 extra picks and could pick up 3 or 4 comp picks in 2022 again (and perhaps a 4th for Arob). So they don't have a volume issue. Picking up some extra thirds or whatever... I don't want to see trade down just for the sake of draft capital. Fans love extra picks until the pick is actually made.

 

I think the trade up thing just depends. The trade up for Mitch was basically a pricey insurance policy. That's not a great mindset based on their current position, but if there's areas where your draft board starts to separate itself, sure trade up. But yea can't laser focus on a guy or position. They're not going to solve every problem in 1 off season, especially this one with limited cap. By 2022 they certainly could though... If they can somehow address QB that is.

[minnesotacubsfan]

At this point, I'd prefer some short term sacrifice in the draft. We're not one draft away from being good. Trade back whenever possible, build capital, don't get too hung up on particular guys.

 

So, be the anti-Pace.

 

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo.

 

That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare

[WrigleyField 22]

At this point, I'd prefer some short term sacrifice in the draft. We're not one draft away from being good. Trade back whenever possible, build capital, don't get too hung up on particular guys.

 

So, be the anti-Pace.

 

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo.

 

That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare

It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18.

 

Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength.

 

If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks)

[minnesotacubsfan]

At this point, I'd prefer some short term sacrifice in the draft. We're not one draft away from being good. Trade back whenever possible, build capital, don't get too hung up on particular guys.

 

So, be the anti-Pace.

 

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo.

 

That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare

It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18.

 

Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength.

 

If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks)

 

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo.

 

That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare

It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18.

 

Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength.

 

If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks)

 

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

Per "the chart" 2 high sixths might get you one slot in the mid first round. Realistically no one want two sixth though. They'll just demand a mid 4th which is the same point value (which the Bears happen to lack). In the mid 1st, 3 slots would be like a late third though. Eta misunderstood the original question.. In the third it could be 5 spots. If we're talking comp picks which are like high sevenths, which about adds up. I personally don't like that as a trade up though. 3 for 1 trades are icky to me in the middle rounds.

 

Nothing is official by they project to have 2 6ths and a 7th from comp picks. And +1 from Shaheen and (-1) from Piniero, both a 6th or 7th, so roughly net even.

Edited December 1, 2020 by WrigleyField 22

[gflore34]

 

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo.

 

That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare

It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18.

 

Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength.

 

If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks)

 

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

 

Was curious as to how valuable Mack would be, to that end, started looking at some statistics, found, Leonard Floyd. horsefeathering Leonard Floyd is arguably having a better season, its depressing, Mack is no longer the feared, elite defensive player every offense has to plan around. Really, do not believe he has much trade value also found horsefeathering GB has 12 sacks all season. They had only 9 going into the Bears game, just underlines the joke the Bears call an OL.

Edited December 1, 2020 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

Realistically no one want two sixth though...

 

yes, thats why I tend to ignore the idea.

 

one thing that's going to suck is when Allen Robinson walks. Hes on pace for a 100 catch 1200 yrd 8 TD season. I tend to bag on him when he loses those 50/50 balls, but hes having a pretty solid year

[minnesotacubsfan]

It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18.

 

Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength.

 

If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks)

 

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

 

Was curious as to how valuable Mack would be, to that end, started looking at some statistics, found, Leonard Floyd. horsefeathering Leonard Floyd is arguably having a better season, its depressing, Mack is longer the elite defensive player every offense has to plan around. Really, do not believe he has much trade value also found horsefeathering GB has 12 sacks all season. They had only 9 going into the Bears game, just underlines the joke the Bears call an OL.

 

Floyd always had talent, but by now its pretty clear that Pagano needs to be coaching dominoes, not an NFL team. Everything that man touches dies

[gflore34]

 

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

 

Was curious as to how valuable Mack would be, to that end, started looking at some statistics, found, Leonard Floyd. horsefeathering Leonard Floyd is arguably having a better season, its depressing, Mack is longer the elite defensive player every offense has to plan around. Really, do not believe he has much trade value also found horsefeathering GB has 12 sacks all season. They had only 9 going into the Bears game, just underlines the joke the Bears call an OL.

 

Floyd always had talent, but by now its pretty clear that Pagano needs to be coaching dominoes, not an NFL team. Everything that man touches dies

 

 

On the other hand, Roquan Smith is leading the league in tackles for loss, tied for second in solo tackles, that's something positive.