Week 6: Saints at Bears Sunday at 3:25 (2weeks2stew)

[gflore34]

I’m wondering how many “you can’t judge him on this game alone” games Mitch will have before people realize he’s just a bad qb.

 

He's terrible but, Nagy may be worse, he's not putting him a position to succeed. As terrible as Mitch is, there a few things he does well, Nagy' got to leverage those things, give him a chance to succeed.

The one thing he does well is maybe make something out of a broken play on occasion. You can’t scheme that. He had open receivers and missed them, again and again. He can’t think and he can’t hit open guys. He had made zero strides. Maybe that’s on Nagy a bit, but these are not out of nowhere concerns with Mitch. There’s a very good chance no coach could polish this turd. A little razzle dazzle got them to 10 wins, but that may be the high water mark.

 

Maybe, they should look at running the ball - a lot - think Mitch can hand the ball off as well as anyone, I think. Why not take the ball out his hands?

[jersey cubs fan]

I saw a comment on the latest Deadspin article on Patterson's run back, which made me realize just how damn familiar the comments in this thread seem to me:

 

 

 

Looking through this thread, I feel like I've read people say the exact same QB comments on Grossman, Cutler, and Orton and the exact same HC comments on Jauron, Lovie, and Trestman over the last 18 years.

 

This team is never going to break the mold, is it?

Lovie and Trestman are nowhere near similar. Lovie was an incredibly effective head coach. He couldn't hire an OC to save his life, but having the team prepared to go 100% was never a problem. Trestman completely lost his team in near record time. Lovie never lost the team, he was a solid head coach who could have been great if he could find an OC.

 

I think it's a mistake to lay this all on Nagy. If this team had a competent QB they'd be over 4-2 and well on their way to a 2nd straight year of playoffs. Nagy ain't great, but he's got a lot to offer and seems competent. Head coaches can grow into the role. I think there's value in letting a young guy especially learn from mistakes.

[Old Style]

 

He's terrible but, Nagy may be worse, he's not putting him a position to succeed. As terrible as Mitch is, there a few things he does well, Nagy' got to leverage those things, give him a chance to succeed.

The one thing he does well is maybe make something out of a broken play on occasion. You can’t scheme that. He had open receivers and missed them, again and again. He can’t think and he can’t hit open guys. He had made zero strides. Maybe that’s on Nagy a bit, but these are not out of nowhere concerns with Mitch. There’s a very good chance no coach could polish this turd. A little razzle dazzle got them to 10 wins, but that may be the high water mark.

 

Maybe, they should look at running the ball - a lot - think Mitch can hand the ball off as well as anyone, I think. Why not take the ball out his hands?

The OL is complete trash.

[gflore34]

The one thing he does well is maybe make something out of a broken play on occasion. You can’t scheme that. He had open receivers and missed them, again and again. He can’t think and he can’t hit open guys. He had made zero strides. Maybe that’s on Nagy a bit, but these are not out of nowhere concerns with Mitch. There’s a very good chance no coach could polish this turd. A little razzle dazzle got them to 10 wins, but that may be the high water mark.

 

Maybe, they should look at running the ball - a lot - think Mitch can hand the ball off as well as anyone, I think. Why not take the ball out his hands?

The OL is complete trash.

 

Yes it is however, I think its a better bet that they'll run block more effectively than pass block with an incompetent QB.

[UK]

It's a shame they took away Trubisky's greatest asset, his mobility and ability to create out of the pocket.

[Old Style]

Let's overreact to Week 7 in the NFL: The Bears will miss the playoffs

 

How is the world is this an overreaction?

 

EDIT: Guess I should have read the article first. It goes on to say that statement is NOT an overreaction. What a horrible headline.

[jersey cubs fan]

Let's overreact to Week 7 in the NFL: The Bears will miss the playoffs

 

How is the world is this an overreaction?

It's not

 

The verdict: NOT AN OVERREACTION

[jersey cubs fan]

What a horrible headline.

 

No, that's the whole point of the weekly column.

[Old Style]

Let's overreact to Week 7 in the NFL: The Bears will miss the playoffs

 

How is the world is this an overreaction?

It's not

 

The verdict: NOT AN OVERREACTION

I edited my post before you replied.

[gflore34]

It's a shame they took away Trubisky's greatest asset, his mobility and ability to create out of the pocket.

 

That's all he's got, appears unable to do anything else, Nagy' must design plays to get him moving and run the ball much, much more.

[WrigleyField 22]

2) you should pass even when you aren’t losing because passing is awesome and running is irrelevant in the current NFL

I know this is you schtick or whatever, but the 49ers are currently undefeated with an offense featuring a basically an average QB in Garappolo handing off a bunch and a strong defense. And it's not even like they have a bunch of highly pedigreed RBs either and are handing it off to an Ezekiel Elliot-type 30 times a game.

 

Where you're kind of right is that you better be able to defend the pass in the NFL in 2019, which is a huge part of the 49ers success right now.

 

The Bears D, not so much, but it'd be a lot more interesting to see if their performance could improve if they had an O capable of staying on the field. Although that may not be it either, they have given up huge series at the beginning of halves or games where they shouldn't be fatigued at all.

 

I got to see very little of the past 3 games, mostly listening on the radio, so this isn't even a defense of Mitch or anything. Yesterday sounds like it was very ugly by him, but there isn't a justification for Nagys play call split at this point. It certainly isn't a winning strategy. At best it only serves to force Paces hand on Trubisky's future.

 

ETA: Bears D is still average at defending the pass, but last year they were elite. At the end of the day you want a elite passer rating differential. You can be elite at one and average at another like the Bears were last year. But average at one and below average at another... Well it's obvious the Bears could easily be 2-4 and are fortunate to still be at 3-3. If they can fix the pass D, they don't need to pass a bunch.

[gflore34]

2) you should pass even when you aren’t losing because passing is awesome and running is irrelevant in the current NFL

I know this is you schtick or whatever, but the 49ers are currently undefeated with an offense featuring a basically an average QB in Garappolo handing off a bunch and a strong defense. And it's not even like they have a bunch of highly pedigreed RBs either and are handing it off to an Ezekiel Elliot-type 30 times a game.

 

Where you're kind of right is that you better be able to defend the pass in the NFL in 2019, which is a huge part of the 49ers success right now.

 

The Bears D, not so much, but it'd be a lot more interesting to see if their performance could improve if they had an O capable of staying on the field. Although that may not be it either, they have given up huge series at the beginning of halves or games where they shouldn't be fatigued at all.

 

I got to see very little of the past 3 games, mostly listening on the radio, so this isn't even a defense of Mitch or anything. Yesterday sounds like it was very ugly by him, but there isn't a justification for Nagys play call split at this point. It certainly isn't a winning strategy. At best it only serves to force Paces hand on Trubisky's future.

 

ETA: Bears D is still average at defending the pass, but last year they were elite. At the end of the day you want a elite passer rating differential. You can be elite at one and average at another like the Bears were last year. But average at one and below average at another... Well it's obvious the Bears could easily be 2-4 and are fortunate to still be at 3-3. If they can fix the pass D, they don't need to pass a bunch.

 

The pass rush has been non-existent the past two games, yes, Kahlil getting held on nearly every pass play, but, still, nothing. Does Pagano need to start blitzing on every 2nd and 3rd and long?

[BigbadB]

There is so much to say about yesterday's game, but I'll just say that I'm ready to be done with the Trubisky experiment. He's not an NFL QB. He looks scared in the pocket. He doesn't see the whole field. He's wildly inaccurate. And he's not going to be anything different next week.

[WrigleyField 22]

2) you should pass even when you aren’t losing because passing is awesome and running is irrelevant in the current NFL

I know this is you schtick or whatever, but the 49ers are currently undefeated with an offense featuring a basically an average QB in Garappolo handing off a bunch and a strong defense. And it's not even like they have a bunch of highly pedigreed RBs either and are handing it off to an Ezekiel Elliot-type 30 times a game.

 

Where you're kind of right is that you better be able to defend the pass in the NFL in 2019, which is a huge part of the 49ers success right now.

 

The Bears D, not so much, but it'd be a lot more interesting to see if their performance could improve if they had an O capable of staying on the field. Although that may not be it either, they have given up huge series at the beginning of halves or games where they shouldn't be fatigued at all.

 

I got to see very little of the past 3 games, mostly listening on the radio, so this isn't even a defense of Mitch or anything. Yesterday sounds like it was very ugly by him, but there isn't a justification for Nagys play call split at this point. It certainly isn't a winning strategy. At best it only serves to force Paces hand on Trubisky's future.

 

ETA: Bears D is still average at defending the pass, but last year they were elite. At the end of the day you want a elite passer rating differential. You can be elite at one and average at another like the Bears were last year. But average at one and below average at another... Well it's obvious the Bears could easily be 2-4 and are fortunate to still be at 3-3. If they can fix the pass D, they don't need to pass a bunch.

Edit/Quote, even before the last two offensive series, which were really just for shits and giggles, the run/pass split was 7/35. That was by my count 9 drives, one in which they were tied, 6 within a 1 TD game, and 3 with a 2 score game. Still can't justify that run/pass ratio. Granted, it's hard to measure the impact of those 2 lost fumbles that killed drives quick, and things maybe are out of hand even earlier with the Patterson return, but it's still head scratching play calling by Nagy.

 

Also since I had to put in some of the legwork anyways:

 

Mitch when the game was still at least somewhat withing reach (to the extent it ever was)

20-35, 119 yards, 0TD 0 INT, 63.87 Pasar rating

Mitch in garbage time pointless football

14-19 132 yards (2TD 0 INT) 127.52 passer rating

 

Just to put into context how much the Stat padding helped him yesterday.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

The pass rush has been non-existent the past two games, yes, Kahlil getting held on nearly every pass play, but, still, nothing. Does Pagano need to start blitzing on every 2nd and 3rd and long?

Is it too simplistic to chalk up to Hicks? Is his impact that big?

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Also since I had to put in some of the legwork anyways:

 

Mitch when the game was still at least somewhat withing reach (to the extent it ever was)

20-35, 119 yards, 0TD 0 INT, 63.87 Pasar rating

Mitch in garbage time pointless football

14-19 132 yards (2TD 0 INT) 127.52 passer rating

 

Just to put into context how much the Stat padding helped him yesterday.

 

 

and even with the padding his passer rating was square in the 80's

[BigbadB]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

[gflore34]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

 

If the Bears wish to capitalize on their current window something such as that must be done. Thought I read something about Bridgewater as well?

[WrigleyField 22]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

As a trade or in the offseason?

[WrigleyField 22]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

 

If the Bears wish to capitalize on their current window something such as that must be done. Thought I read something about Bridgewater as well?

Hell be a FA and if all the established starters resign would probably be the biggest FA name. Would take some cap work to get it done... Not sure exactly what roster bonuses they gave out there hanging that could be converted, but they're probably there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

As a trade or in the offseason?

the article references an in season trade but says very little about it

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/could-cam-newton-be-the-savior-for-bears-season-154306851.html

[BigbadB]

Latest story on Yahoo sports says Cam Newton would make sense for the Bears. Not sure how the Bears could afford him with their current draft pick situation. But, I do like thinking outside the box. It may take that to find a replacement behind center.

As a trade or in the offseason?

 

They were referring to the trade deadline, Carolina maybe wanting to move forward with Kyle Allen, Cam maybe needing a change of scenery. blah blah blah.

[Cubswin11]

I think Cam is pretty much done, he makes Mitch look like an accurate passer over the last year or so. That game vs Tampa earlier in the year he was missing guys by like 10 feet.

[Old Style]

Bears coach Matt Nagy: "I know we have to run the ball more. I'm not an idiot."

[BigSlick]

its such a kick in the gut that Trubisky sucks. so much wasted time and wasted resources into that guy.

 

I'm half convinced I'll go to my grave and Jay Cutler will be the best QB the Bears ever had