Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

[UMFan83]

Plus Cohen and Cunningham are both above average in the receiving game. Maybe Howard isn’t an ideal fit for Nagy’s offense but it shouldn’t be hard to work the offense around Howard’s significant talent and still be able to work in his pass catching RBs

[BigbadB]

I have been looking at this deal, and I'd say if the Dolphins added Kenyan Drake, it would be a lot more even.

 

The #8 pick is the most valuable piece in this deal

The #11 is the second most valuable piece in this deal

Howard is the 3rd most valuable

Landry is the 4th

The 3rd round pick is last.

 

So we are giving up the best draft pick and the best player in this deal for a team that is pretty much forced to trade this guy. Drake can catch the ball out of the backfield and appeared to be showing signs of being an NFL lead back. The Dolphins even traded Ajayi midseason, in what appeared to be a door opener for Drake or Damian Williams to take over. Now they get a sure thing in Howard and they get out from the huge contract they are stuck with by tagging Landry. And they move up three places for a better chance to draft a QB. Still not sure I like giving up Howard. Maybe he can't catch the ball all that well, but Cohen and Cunningham can.

[PackLandVA]

Based on NFL Draft Pick Value Calculators (which GMs use), Miami's 1st and 3rd have more value than the Bears 1st alone.

[BigbadB]

Based on NFL Draft Pick Value Calculators (which GMs use), Miami's 1st and 3rd have more value than the Bears 1st alone.

 

The one thing about these draft pick calculators that I don't like is that while you can place a particular value on them if it was just a mutually needed trade, but more weight needs to be considered when it's one team wanting to improve their draft position. So Miami wanting to go from 11 to 8 to increase their chances of getting a QB has to make giving up your 8th pick more valuable to the Bears. If they are going to be willing to move down 3 places, you have to be willing to make it worth it. That's not to say that I wouldn't be willing to change it to a 4th or even a 5th if Drake was included in the deal, but right now it seems like an overpay by the Bears. Landry is not going to be cheap if they can work out a long term deal. Howard is less than a million a year for the next two years, which allows Miami some nice cap relief while shedding the $16m they will owe Landry if they can't trade him.

 

Miami chose to tag Landry even though extension discussions haven't been going well. It's well documented this offseason. Miami pretty much screwed the pooch in tagging him, because tagging him for the second time makes his contract for 2018 $16m. There is absolutely no reason for a team to massively or even slightly overpay in a trade for Landry, and Miami shouldn't expect to get the better end of the deal.

[BigbadB]

Found this quote on Rotoworld:

 

The Dolphins were already over the cap when they acquired Robert Quinn from the Rams on Friday and will be in dire straits if they don't move Landry before the start of free agency. Miami probably regrets tagging Landry and may rescind the tag if his trade market dries up.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Found this quote on Rotoworld:

 

The Dolphins were already over the cap when they acquired Robert Quinn from the Rams on Friday and will be in dire straits if they don't move Landry before the start of free agency. Miami probably regrets tagging Landry and may rescind the tag if his trade market dries up.

 

 

Dont over pay Pace

[PackLandVA]

Just looking at the draft picks alone, I think the Bears would be crazy not to move down 3 spots in the First and be able to get an additional Third. Is there really one particular player the Bears need/expect to get at 8 that's gonna be a game changer that wouldn't be available three picks later??

[BigbadB]

Just looking at the draft picks alone, I think the Bears would be crazy not to move down 3 spots in the First and be able to get an additional Third. Is there really one particular player the Bears need/expect to get at 8 that's gonna be a game changer that wouldn't be available three picks later??

 

Mocks are all over the freakin' place. Some show the Bears taking Edmunds with the 8th pick. Others show Edmunds at the back end of the 1st round. I just saw one that shows the Bears passing on Minkah Fitzpatrick, Denzel Ward and Quentin Nelson to take Courtland Sutton with the 8th pick. Pretty sure that won't be happening. Not saying I wouldn't like Sutton with the 8th pick as much as I just don't see those 3 guys being passed over in favor of Sutton.

[Splendid Splinter]

Just looking at the draft picks alone, I think the Bears would be crazy not to move down 3 spots in the First and be able to get an additional Third. Is there really one particular player the Bears need/expect to get at 8 that's gonna be a game changer that wouldn't be available three picks later??

 

It's unlikely, but it's possible that Chubb or Nelson could be there at 8, but won't be at 11. There's also a possibility that only 2 QBs have been picked and someone will want to move up so they can get a QB.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Just looking at the draft picks alone, I think the Bears would be crazy not to move down 3 spots in the First and be able to get an additional Third. Is there really one particular player the Bears need/expect to get at 8 that's gonna be a game changer that wouldn't be available three picks later??

 

 

there are a few picks that could easily be off the board by then, but the get better be more then Landry and a 3rd if we are losing a 1000 yrd rusher for it

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd generally be okay with trading Howard for the right package. He's a one-dimensional player that doesn't really fit in Nagy's system. But the proposed trade would be asinine. Landry isn't worth what he's going to be paid.

He's a running back that is good at runningbacking, he fits the system.

[raw]

I'd generally be okay with trading Howard for the right package. He's a one-dimensional player that doesn't really fit in Nagy's system. But the proposed trade would be asinine. Landry isn't worth what he's going to be paid.

He's a running back that is good at runningbacking, he fits the system.

 

Yeah, too much is being made about Howard not being a good receiver. I think it's natural to project the former offense (Chiefs) on the Bears, but the Bears won't have a 4.25 WR (Hill), they won't have the best receiving TE in the league (Kelce) and they don't have a starting RB capable of catching 70 passes. But that's fine, because if the only way Nagy can have success is the replicate the KC offense, then he wasn't a good hire. He will be able to adapt, or he'll be out of a job in 2-3 years.

 

If the system doesn't fit Howard, it doesn't mean something is wrong with Howard, it means something is wrong with the system.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not a system thing. It's just something that's always bugged me about Howard and that I suspect makes him less valuable than he seems. It won't show up in his statline when your other four receivers have more trouble getting open because defenses don't have to worry about him when calling coverages.

 

And given the lack of longevity running backs usually display, feels like a great time to sell high on him.

 

Basically, screw RBs, they're the pitchers of football.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I personally think they should predominantly have Cohen at WR. Dude has fantastic hands and made a lot of shoestring catches on poorly thrown balls, good routes, creates plenty of separation, and can make anybody miss in an open field. Move him around, give him some runs, but definitely use him more as an extension of the running game by getting him out in space. Sign a guy like Crowell to pair with Howard and lighten Cohen's load in the backfield. Hyde would be a good idea also, I just feel he will have several suitors and could draw more $ than we want to pay. The Pats have been utilizing shifty, undersized receivers for a decade to tremendous effect and the Chiefs just unleashed Hill in a way that I can easily see Cohen being similar to.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's not a system thing. It's just something that's always bugged me about Howard and that I suspect makes him less valuable than he seems. It won't show up in his statline when your other four receivers have more trouble getting open because defenses don't have to worry about him when calling coverages.

 

And given the lack of longevity running backs usually display, feels like a great time to sell high on him.

 

Basically, screw RBs, they're the pitchers of football.

 

He’s two years into his career and has over 1k each season he’s run. horsefeathers what the league thinks is “football”, don’t walk away from that type of production. You work the offense around him.

[raw]

It's not a system thing. It's just something that's always bugged me about Howard and that I suspect makes him less valuable than he seems. It won't show up in his statline when your other four receivers have more trouble getting open because defenses don't have to worry about him when calling coverages.

 

And given the lack of longevity running backs usually display, feels like a great time to sell high on him.

 

Basically, screw RBs, they're the pitchers of football.

 

There's a difference between him not having a ton of value and him not being a fit. The Bears basically have a top 10 RB and only owe him 1.4 Million over the next 2 years. I don't think he's a guy you re-sign in 2 years, but there's no reason to "sell high" on him. You won't get what he's worth, you'll most likely get a worse RB, and likely getting either a more expensive player in return or replacing him with a draft pick that you'll have to pay more (because you aren't waiting til the 5th for a starting RB).

[Butterscup]

all this talk about trading down and i'm just sitting here trying to figure out how the bears can trade up to get quenton nelson

 

also, i'm a landry fan and he was my top want in the FA class but if they do have to trade for him i'd rather double up and sign robinson and albert wilson for our big WR moves

[We Got The Whole 9]

Nelson is awesome but there's a lot of good OL to choose from and we need more picks IMO more than we need a possible great OG.

[UMFan83]

I'd generally be okay with trading Howard for the right package. He's a one-dimensional player that doesn't really fit in Nagy's system. But the proposed trade would be asinine. Landry isn't worth what he's going to be paid.

He's a running back that is good at runningbacking, he fits the system.

 

The last time we traded a player because he didn’t “fit” a coaches system, Greg Olsen ended up in Carolina

[davell]

No Franchise tag for Fuller. Honestly, with the cap room we've got, I think I'd RATHER keep him on a one year deal, to see if he's worth a long term commitment after that.

 

We may keep him. But, I'm thinking that the tag was the best option, given the circumstances.

[minnesotacubsfan]

No Franchise tag for Fuller. Honestly, with the cap room we've got, I think I'd RATHER keep him on a one year deal, to see if he's worth a long term commitment after that.

 

We may keep him. But, I'm thinking that the tag was the best option, given the circumstances.

 

 

I hope to god this is because they are close to a deal and not Pace being Pace (see Alshon)

[David]

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[raw]

No Franchise tag for Fuller. Honestly, with the cap room we've got, I think I'd RATHER keep him on a one year deal, to see if he's worth a long term commitment after that.

 

We may keep him. But, I'm thinking that the tag was the best option, given the circumstances.

 

 

I hope to god this is because they are close to a deal and not Pace being Pace (see Alshon)

 

Hearing that they're going to let Fuller test the market and report back to the Bears with what other teams are offering and the Bears are expected to match anything not outlandish. For reference, this approached worked for the Bears with Lance Briggs back in the day.

[BigbadB]

Forte is signing a one day contract to retire as a member of the Chicago Bears.

[David]

No Franchise tag for Fuller. Honestly, with the cap room we've got, I think I'd RATHER keep him on a one year deal, to see if he's worth a long term commitment after that.

 

We may keep him. But, I'm thinking that the tag was the best option, given the circumstances.

 

 

I hope to god this is because they are close to a deal and not Pace being Pace (see Alshon)

 

Hearing that they're going to let Fuller test the market and report back to the Bears with what other teams are offering and the Bears are expected to match anything not outlandish. For reference, this approached worked for the Bears with Lance Briggs back in the day.

Don't understand why they wouldn't just do that with the transition tag