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Sweet googily moogily

 

Guessing that's including a premium to go play on a 96 loss team.

I'm guessing this is a throwaway line, but I think the Phillies are going to be competitive in a very weak Division (-Washington).

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Sweet googily moogily

 

Guessing that's including a premium to go play on a 96 loss team.

I'm guessing this is a throwaway line, but I think the Phillies are going to be competitive in a very weak Division (-Washington).

Agreed. But then I thought they’d be approaching .500 last year.

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Sweet googily moogily

 

Guessing that's including a premium to go play on a 96 loss team.

I'm guessing this is a throwaway line, but I think the Phillies are going to be competitive in a very weak Division (-Washington).

 

The East will be quite bad, but it wasn't all that good last year, and the Phillies also are awful light on good players. They need more than a couple above average players to be competitive.

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i'm not interested in happ for salazar at all.

Agree, I know they are hard to deal with but if the Orioles do start the sell off I’d see if we could do something around Happ for Gausman and Britton.

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Kipnis? No thank you.

 

Please no.

 

Not only does that not make sense for the Cubs, wasn't the rumor that the Indians wanted LH hitting in return? I mean, that idea is just comprehensively stupid.

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Kipnis? No thank you.

 

Out of curiosity why is Kipnis a bad pickup if its a buy low type of thing? He was bad last year but was a nearly 5 win player in both 2015 and 2016, only 30 and a relatively ok contract the next 2 seasons.

 

I know we don't really need an OF, but he's not someone I could completely avoid acquiring in a trade.

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Kipnis? No thank you.

 

Out of curiosity why is Kipnis a bad pickup if its a buy low type of thing? He was bad last year but was a nearly 5 win player in both 2015 and 2016, only 30 and a relatively ok contract the next 2 seasons.

 

I know we don't really need an OF, but he's not someone I could completely avoid acquiring in a trade.

 

He's a 2B, not an OF.

 

But either way, I want no part of him. He was barely replacement level last year, injury-plagued and 30. He's just not worth putting us $14 million closer to the luxury tax threshold.

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Kipnis? No thank you.

 

Out of curiosity why is Kipnis a bad pickup if its a buy low type of thing? He was bad last year but was a nearly 5 win player in both 2015 and 2016, only 30 and a relatively ok contract the next 2 seasons.

 

I know we don't really need an OF, but he's not someone I could completely avoid acquiring in a trade.

 

He's a 2B, not an OF.

 

But either way, I want no part of him. He was barely replacement level last year, injury-plagued and 30. He's just not worth putting us $14 million closer to the luxury tax threshold.

...but he grew up a Cub fan!

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I have no interest in Kipnis either. FWIW Ralph on MLB radio just now said a Schwarber-Salazar conversation was had and it ended quickly with the Cubs shutting it down.
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Kipnis? No thank you.

 

Out of curiosity why is Kipnis a bad pickup if its a buy low type of thing? He was bad last year but was a nearly 5 win player in both 2015 and 2016, only 30 and a relatively ok contract the next 2 seasons.

 

I know we don't really need an OF, but he's not someone I could completely avoid acquiring in a trade.

 

He's a 2B, not an OF.

 

But either way, I want no part of him. He was barely replacement level last year, injury-plagued and 30. He's just not worth putting us $14 million closer to the luxury tax threshold.

 

Sorry I thought I read they were moving him to OF full time, or considering it. Either way, he'd be an OF here. He was worth half a win in a poor injury plagued season. The last 3 years he played 140+ games he was worth 4.5, 4.9 and 4.8 fWAR (2013, 2015, 2016). The injuries are always a concern with him but to add a potential 4+ win player, 14m is not a lot.

 

I'm gonna stop because it sounds like I'm advocating for him, but its more of a 'not understanding why hes a hard pass' type of argument.

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Only way Kipnis makes sense is if we find a way to dump Zobrist (which would be an intriguing upgrade in my opinion), and I can't see that happening with a full trade clause.
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Out of curiosity why is Kipnis a bad pickup if its a buy low type of thing? He was bad last year but was a nearly 5 win player in both 2015 and 2016, only 30 and a relatively ok contract the next 2 seasons.

 

I know we don't really need an OF, but he's not someone I could completely avoid acquiring in a trade.

 

He's a 2B, not an OF.

 

But either way, I want no part of him. He was barely replacement level last year, injury-plagued and 30. He's just not worth putting us $14 million closer to the luxury tax threshold.

 

Sorry I thought I read they were moving him to OF full time, or considering it. Either way, he'd be an OF here. He was worth half a win in a poor injury plagued season. The last 3 years he played 140+ games he was worth 4.5, 4.9 and 4.8 fWAR (2013, 2015, 2016). The injuries are always a concern with him but to add a potential 4+ win player, 14m is not a lot.

 

I'm gonna stop because it sounds like I'm advocating for him, but its more of a 'not understanding why hes a hard pass' type of argument.

 

that could be true with regard to the outfield thing. i do know he got some time there, but i figured that was because Ramirez entrenched himself at 2B while Kipnis was hurt.

 

i think he could be a nice bounce back candidate for certain teams. i'm just not willing to gamble $14 million on a guy who doesn't really fill a need for us, will be 31 on opening day, and is showing signs of decline both health-wise and performance-wise. there's better ways to allocate limited resources.

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The Giants are looking at signing Jay Bruce, that seems like a really bad fit but a very Giants move

 

Bruce playing RF in that ballpark would be amusing, at least.

Getting Bruce and trading for Billy Hamilton would be such a Giants offseason. If we were asked to predict their moves I think we could have safely guessed that.

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