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I really, really like this. Chatwood was probably my favorite non-Ohtnai target just because there was so much under the surface/outside of Coors things to love. I thought Lackey's 2/32 deal was a good target price for him so I'm completely fine with 3/38. Now go get Ohtani, Theo.
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Hmmm, not sure how I feel about this yet

 

+ Opportunity for ceiling getting away from Coors

+ Athletic (defense plus indicator of durability)

+ Only 28

+ 3 years instead of 4+ for other FA options

+ Soft contact

+ Heavy on fastball matches up well with Hickey

+ Historically not an extreme L/R split

+ This front office clearly wanted him

 

- lack of proven durability

- doesn't throw strikes

- 2 TJS already

 

Seems like a lot more pros than cons for a signing that costs under $13M aav

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I like this move. Coob or Ohtani too would be most excellent. Both would be mostest excellent and I might explode.

 

Go Coobs

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Two take aways from this for future things is it appears the FO really does like something(s) about the curveball, going back to the draft almost every pitcher was noted for his curve or potential of a curve (after that report that we found a pitch/something on a pitch and were going heavy in on it) and also the acquisition of Quintana and to a way lesser degree still sticking with Grimm since the curve is his main secondary pitch and also it appears we are putting weight behind spin rates and effectiveness/predictability. Edited by Cubswin11
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Why is that a hot take? Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

I don't hate this deal. I don't love it either. They need pitchers and he should benefit from leaving Coors, from the Cubs defense, and maybe from new coaching/pitch usage. He still walks a ton of guys and doesn't get a lot of Ks and has had TJ twice. It's fair to think this isn't a great signing. It's worth the risk for the Cubs, but it's not a no brainer.

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Why is that a hot take? Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

I don't hate this deal. I don't love it either. They need pitchers and he should benefit from leaving Coors, from the Cubs defense, and maybe from new coaching/pitch usage. He still walks a ton of guys and doesn't get a lot of Ks and has had TJ twice. It's fair to think this isn't a great signing. It's worth the risk for the Cubs, but it's not a no brainer.

 

The headline is a super hot take. The article is fine and reasonable.

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I'm optimistic about the signing. I'll be really excited if he throws more strikes now that he's out of Coors.

 

37BB in 70.1IP at Coors

40BB in 77.1IP away

 

So it doesn't seem like that's the problem.

 

The walks and low innings are the only things I don't like. Hopefully the control is something Hickey can improve.

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I'm optimistic about the signing. I'll be really excited if he throws more strikes now that he's out of Coors.

 

37BB in 70.1IP at Coors

40BB in 77.1IP away

 

So it doesn't seem like that's the problem.

 

The walks and low innings are the only things I don't like. Hopefully the control is something Hickey can improve.

 

Right, but it isn't that black and white. The fact that he has to pitch half his innings at Coors could be hindering him on the road.

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Why is that a hot take? Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

I don't hate this deal. I don't love it either. They need pitchers and he should benefit from leaving Coors, from the Cubs defense, and maybe from new coaching/pitch usage. He still walks a ton of guys and doesn't get a lot of Ks and has had TJ twice. It's fair to think this isn't a great signing. It's worth the risk for the Cubs, but it's not a no brainer.

 

The headline is a super hot take. The article is fine and reasonable.

 

It's not hard to argue this is puzzling. I personally don't feel that way, but Chatwood has not had good results. He hasn't been healthy. He got $40 million and he'll get 25+ starts next year if healthy. You can argue that a WS contender giving $40 million over 3 years and a rotation spot to a change of scenery pitcher is puzzling.

 

It doesn't matter. I just don't think it's a hot take. I think it's an opinion that he disagrees with.

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From Sharma, it's a negligible amount but still something.....

 

Chatwood might not have carried the name recognition of some of the other available starting pitchers on the free agent market this winter, but his ERA+ since 2013 (119) ranks better than Alex Cobb (117) and Lance Lynn (118).
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Hmmm, not sure how I feel about this yet

 

+ Opportunity for ceiling getting away from Coors

+ Athletic (defense plus indicator of durability)

+ Only 28

+ 3 years instead of 4+ for other FA options

+ Soft contact

+ Heavy on fastball matches up well with Hickey

+ Historically not an extreme L/R split

+ This front office clearly wanted him

 

- lack of proven durability

- doesn't throw strikes

- 2 TJS already

 

Seems like a lot more pros than cons for a signing that costs under $13M aav

 

The cons are pretty big cons for someone taking a rotation spot.

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Why is that a hot take? Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

I don't hate this deal. I don't love it either. They need pitchers and he should benefit from leaving Coors, from the Cubs defense, and maybe from new coaching/pitch usage. He still walks a ton of guys and doesn't get a lot of Ks and has had TJ twice. It's fair to think this isn't a great signing. It's worth the risk for the Cubs, but it's not a no brainer.

 

The headline is a super hot take. The article is fine and reasonable.

 

It's not hard to argue this is puzzling. I personally don't feel that way, but Chatwood has not had good results. He hasn't been healthy. He got $40 million and he'll get 25+ starts next year if healthy. You can argue that a WS contender giving $40 million over 3 years and a rotation spot to a change of scenery pitcher is puzzling.

 

It doesn't matter. I just don't think it's a hot take. I think it's an opinion that he disagrees with.

If you did not know what Coors was, then this is puzzling. The guy in the article says just about everything we have already said in this thread, but for unexplained reasons dislikes the deal. When you compare Chatwood's adjusted stats to the price of FA pitching, there is absolutely nothing to puzzle about, for ALL OF THE REASONS HE MENTIONED IN HIS OWN ARTICLE.

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Because there's nothing the slightest bit puzzling about it. You can not like Chatwood, but this move replaces Lackey with a younger, cheaper pitcher who was twice as valuable as Lackey last year.

 

I don't want to be arguing against this because I don't hate it, but a WS contender giving 3 year commitment to a guy that hasn't been very good who has had 2 tommy John surgerys can be puzzling. John Lackey being trash doesn't have anything to do with the 2018 rotation.

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Why is that a hot take?

 

Because there's nothing the slightest bit puzzling about it. You can not like Chatwood, but this move replaces Lackey with a younger, cheaper pitcher who was twice as valuable as Lackey last year.

 

I don't want to be arguing against this because I don't hate it, but a WS contender giving 3 year commitment to a guy that hasn't been very good who has had 2 tommy John surgerys can be puzzling. John Lackey being trash doesn't have anything to do with the 2018 rotation.

...but he has been pretty good.

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