Your 2017 HOF ballot

[Post Count Padder]

Actually I just feel stupid in picking Mussina over Clemens. I guess I'm part of the BBWAA.

[OleMissCub]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

 

Go with Vlad.

 

AL MVP, 9 All-Star games, 2500 hits, 450 HR, Lifetime 140 OPS+, 10 100+ RBI years. Admittedly, his 59.3 WAR is on the lower end of HOFers, but the dude could mash and was so much fun to watch.

 

Throughout his career my gut always told me this guy was a HOFer, so I'm going with it.

 

It came down to picking between him and Walker with my final vote.

 

I went with Walker, even though it felt so, so wrong.

 

I assume Walker's defensive prowess was the difference there. Their offensive metrics are real similar.

 

For some reason whenever Walker or a Rockies players come up I think about how laughably ridiculous Helton's 2000 season was and yet he still came in fifth in MVP voting. Him coming in fifth with these numbers is like the ultimate indication of that era:

 

.372/.463/.698/1.162, 163 OPS+, 8.8 WAR, 216 hits, 59 Doubles, 42 Homers, 147 RBI

 

FIFTH....

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2000.shtml#NLmvp

[weis21]

Bagwell

Bonds

Clemens

Vlad

Edgar

Mussina

Raines

Manny

Pudge

Sammy

[rocket]

Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Guerrero, Martinez, Raines, Ramirez, Rodriguez, Sosa and Walker.

[raw]

All the roids, except for Clemens. horsefeathers Clemens.

[UK]

Bonds

Clemens

Raines

Schilling

Mussina

Ramirez

Sosa

Rodriguez

Bagwell

Guerrero

[mul21]

Bagwell

Bonds

Clemens

Vlad

Edgar

Kent

Raines

Manny

Sheff

Sammy

 

I'd add Mussina, Schilling, Walker, and Pudge with additional votes. BBWAA is so stupid.

[sneakypower]

bagwell

bonds

clemens

vlad

edgar

mussina

raines

manny

pudge

walker

this is me but i spurned Edgar [-X

[sneakypower]

and Vlad 100% belongs; WAR undersells him in a pretty big way, and his career is basically the Andre Dawson upgrade

[imb]

bagwell, bonds, and clemens. If you didnt love winning enough to use steroid you dont belong in the hall

[sneakypower]

Bagwell hit 6 HR in 212 career G in minors, holy horsefeathers

[UMFan83]

He also only made 4 All Star games in his entire career somehow. What the hell were the people picking All Star rosters in the 90s doing? (Frank Thomas also only made 4 All Star teams in his career)

[Tryptamine]

In no particular order

 

1. Jeff Bagwell

2. Larry Walker

3.Gary Sheffield

4.Tim Raines

5.Manny Ramirez

6.Ivan Rodriguez

7. Edgar Martinez

8. Barry Bonds

9. Roger Clemens

10. Curt Schilling

 

Edgar Martinez, Sammy Sosa and Vlad Guerrero were the three I was looking at for my final spot. Sosa I felt ok bumping down because of the corked bat stuff, but I'm not sure if I feel OK moving Vlad out just because he kept playing defense which stole a lot of value from his bat as opposed to Edgar who just DH'd and didn't lose any value in the field. However, for now I'll go with Edgar with a chance to switch to Vlad later.

[mul21]

He also only made 4 All Star games in his entire career somehow. What the hell were the people picking All Star rosters in the 90s doing? (Frank Thomas also only made 4 All Star teams in his career)

 

I feel like 1st base was probably the default every team needs a guy position and he probably got screwed by that pretty frequently.

 

Fake edit: I just went and looked. Galarraga, Grace, McGriff, Jefferies, and even Eddie Murray took spots early in his career and then you had Casey and Helton show up long with McGwire being in the NL mid career and Pujols and DLee late. It seems like there's not nearly as many really good hitters at first as there used to be.