Your 2017 HOF ballot

[OleMissCub]

Who ya got?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Raines

Bagwell

Clemens

Bonds

Sosa

Mussina

Hoffman

Pudge

Vlad

Manny

[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

[Sammy Sofa]

I can't change my votes? SHAM POLL.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

 

My head said no, but my heart wouldn't allow me to leave him off my ballot.

[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

 

My head said no, but my heart wouldn't allow me to leave him off my ballot.

 

Same here, though I can't go back and add him because of SHAM POLL.

[Tim]

You can change your picks now.

[UMFan83]

In order of how deserving I think they are (and I didn't stat check any of this and many opinions since they are 90's/00's guys were formed before I had a more advanced knowledge of stats so feel free to pick apart)

 

Bonds

Clemens

Manny

Bagwell

Raines

Pudge

Sheffield

Sosa

Mussina

Schilling

[Bobson Dugnutt]

This backlog that the voters have created is so dumb. There's so many worthy names on the ballot. At least it looks like we'll see four inductees this year.

[Sammy Sofa]

You can change your picks now.

 

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[Tim]

Bags

Bonds

Clemens

Edgar

Moose

Raines

Manny

Pudge

Sheffield

Sosa

 

Bonds was so good that he basically had the career of the next two best hitters on the list. He's second all time in fWAR to Ruth. Clemens is the all time leader in fWAR amongst pitchers. Don't care if they did steroids. Any ballot without them is ridiculous.

 

I strongly suspect that if framing metrics were around for Rodriguez that his defensive reputation would have been much lower. But what he did as purely an offensive catcher is huge.

 

Sheff and Sosa are iffy candidates. Both were flawed in different ways, but I loved watching both of them play. For the same reason, Vlad would have been next on my list.

 

BTW - I think Schilling is deserving, but I couldn't get myself to list that dickbag.

 

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Also - Everyone on that list from Edgar through Sosa is between 60 & 70 fWAR (iirc). Trout is already up to 47.7. Crazy good.

[UMFan83]

 

Sheff and Sosa are iffy candidates. Both were flawed in different ways, but I loved watching both of them play. For the same reason, Vlad would have been next on my list.

 

I'm not really penalizing steroid users, maybe if it was a decision between 2 guys and one was admitted user it would tip the scales the other way, but if I was penalizing more, Sheffield and Sosa are the two guys that I'm not convinced are HOFers if healthy. Sheffield had HOF talent and I think had a HOF worthy career at the plate. Obviously his defense was bad most of his career which should be a knock against him. But the reason I'm not convinced he's a HOFer without steroids is because IIRC he could not stay healthy for a majority of his 20's and then all the sudden from age 28-38 he played at least 130 games every year. We don't know when he started taking steroids but he admitted to taking them in his 30s so you can make a link.

 

Sosa we don't need to go into great detail about. He had a lot of talent but holes in his game until he took off and became one of the games prolific players for a 6-8 year stretch.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who the horsefeathers voted for Lee Smith? It's not the Hall of horsefeathering Awesome Hair.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Sheff and Sosa are iffy candidates. Both were flawed in different ways, but I loved watching both of them play. For the same reason, Vlad would have been next on my list.

 

I'm not really penalizing steroid users, maybe if it was a decision between 2 guys and one was admitted user it would tip the scales the other way, but if I was penalizing more, Sheffield and Sosa are the two guys that I'm not convinced are HOFers if healthy. Sheffield had HOF talent and I think had a HOF worthy career at the plate. Obviously his defense was bad most of his career which should be a knock against him. But the reason I'm not convinced he's a HOFer without steroids is because IIRC he could not stay healthy for a majority of his 20's and then all the sudden from age 28-38 he played at least 130 games every year. We don't know when he started taking steroids but he admitted to taking them in his 30s so you can make a link.

 

Sosa we don't need to go into great detail about. He had a lot of talent but holes in his game until he took off and became one of the games prolific players for a 6-8 year stretch.

 

Sammy's in the top 10 HR hitters of all time. Call it simplistic, call it meatball-y, but that alone should be more than enough.

[Tim]

Who voted for bonds but not Clemens? I'd love to get an explanation there.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who voted for bonds but not Clemens? I'd love to get an explanation there.

 

Hell, who voted for Manny and seemingly not any of the other big names?

[NonProfitCow]

bagwell

bonds

clemens

vlad

edgar

mussina

raines

manny

pudge

walker

[OleMissCub]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

 

Go with Vlad.

 

AL MVP, 9 All-Star games, 2500 hits, 450 HR, Lifetime 140 OPS+, 10 100+ RBI years. Admittedly, his 59.3 WAR is on the lower end of HOFers, but the dude could mash and was so much fun to watch.

 

Throughout his career my gut always told me this guy was a HOFer, so I'm going with it.

[Banedon]

I can't change my votes? SHAM POLL.

 

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[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive], I'm so torn on Vlad.

 

Go with Vlad.

 

AL MVP, 9 All-Star games, 2500 hits, 450 HR, Lifetime 140 OPS+, 10 100+ RBI years. Admittedly, his 59.3 WAR is on the lower end of HOFers, but the dude could mash and was so much fun to watch.

 

Throughout his career my gut always told me this guy was a HOFer, so I'm going with it.

 

It came down to picking between him and Walker with my final vote.

 

I went with Walker, even though it felt so, so wrong.

[cl smooth]

bagwell

bonds

clemens

vlad

martinez

raines

ramirez

rodriguez

schilling

sosa

 

last vote was between sheffield and schilling. looking back, i should've voted mussina over schilling.

[davell]

Bonds

Clemens

Vlad

Manny

Mussina

Schilling

Edgar

Raines

Pudge

Walker

 

Would also have voted for Sammy, Bags, and Sheff.

 

Kent is very close for me and I just can't reconcile putting Hoffman in.

[Post Count Padder]

Bagwell

Bonds

Guerrero

Hoffman

Edgar Martinez

McGriff

Mussina

Raines

Manny

Pudge

 

With Clemens, Sosa, Walker and Sheffield just missing for me.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Bagwell

Bonds

Guerrero

Hoffman

Edgar Martinez

McGriff

Mussina

Raines

Manny

Pudge

 

With Clemens, Sosa, Walker and Sheffield just missing for me.

 

Why?

[UMFan83]

Bagwell

Bonds

Guerrero

Hoffman

Edgar Martinez

McGriff

Mussina

Raines

Manny

Pudge

 

With Clemens, Sosa, Walker and Sheffield just missing for me.

 

Can you explain Bonds and not Clemens? Even if you want to penalize PED users unless they were clearly HOF talents without them, I can't see how Bonds makes it and Clemens doesn't. Clemens had the 3rd highest WAR of any pitcher to ever play baseball. And his alleged PED use was no more blantant than Manny, a player who was worth 70 less wins over his career than Clemens.