Chapman to Yankees

[ConstableRabbit]

 

no, no it isn't.

 

Dusty made stupid decisions repeatedly, in every series in every season, in nearly every game. His entire thought process was flawed garbage.

 

Maddon gets it, and gets it done. He does things the right way much more than most.

 

He did something stupid in that moment but the Cubs won and it should not and will not define him.

 

There is no good [expletive] reason why he should be out there apologizing for anything.

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

 

This sounds kinda BFIB-ish...

This is the most analytical group of fans I know and the response to Maddon making some bad calls that luckily didn't blow up in his face is saying "who cares?". That makes ME the meatball fan?

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

 

But why?

 

What is the point of making that statement? What will that accomplish?

He's been a very blunt, forthcoming manager which has been refreshing in the managing/coaching world, which is incredibly defensive. His response to the bad move(s) he made in the playoffs has been out of character and closer to the norm than the exception we've come to expect with Maddon. It's something Dusty or some other garbage manager would say.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not asking him to apologize -- just to say, "hey I got caught up in the moment and it was definitely not the best decision in hindsight. The good news is that it worked out!"

 

Just because he usually makes the correct moves doesn't mean that he's immune from us saying wtf that was not the best call.

 

This sounds kinda BFIB-ish...

This is the most analytical group of fans I know and the response to Maddon making some bad calls that luckily didn't blow up in his face is saying "who cares?". That makes ME the meatball fan?

in a 180 game season a manager will make some bad decisions. I'm not going to whine about it a month after winning the World Series.

[jersey cubs fan]

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[ConstableRabbit]

 

This sounds kinda BFIB-ish...

This is the most analytical group of fans I know and the response to Maddon making some bad calls that luckily didn't blow up in his face is saying "who cares?". That makes ME the meatball fan?

in a 180 game season a manager will make some bad decisions. I'm not going to whine about it a month after winning the World Series.

Not whining about the bad decision. No asking for an apology. Saying it's out of character for Maddon to mic drop and weirdly crusty coming from a guy who likely knows that horsefeathers was a bad move.

[jersey cubs fan]

[BigbadB]

This is the most analytical group of fans I know and the response to Maddon making some bad calls that luckily didn't blow up in his face is saying "who cares?". That makes ME the meatball fan?

in a 180 game season a manager will make some bad decisions. I'm not going to whine about it a month after winning the World Series.

Not whining about the bad decision. No asking for an apology. Saying it's out of character for Maddon to mic drop and weirdly crusty coming from a guy who likely knows that horsefeathers was a bad move.

 

I don't really see it as a mic drop, because he did offer some explanations. Given the results, there is no real reason to dwell on them. I think a lot of his decisions that are being questioned were him trying to do as much as humanly possible to avoid this organization suffering another meltdown loss, and this time under his watch. He didn't want Hendricks facing the lineup a 3rd time through with veterans like Lester and even Lackey available in the pen if necessary. He had one of the most dominant closers in the game at his disposal, and he wanted to use him in a much higher leverage situation rather than a late game save opportunity, "because that's what you are supposed to do with closers". These decisions could have cost them the World Series. If so, Joe would probably be first in line to take the blame. Instead, it added to the dramatics that made this one of the best World Series wins of all time. Now, next year let's just win the World Series 4-0 and leave all the drama out of it with heavenly dongs.

 

I would imagine some people will bring some of these questions up again in Spring Training, and maybe Joe will offer more. But I certainly don't need any closure from him.

[Guest]

a normal honest answer is to not admit you horsefeathers up in the world series win

 

what

 

are you saying mistakes aren't mistakes as long as the outcome is good or what are you saying

It is the cowards approach to life.

 

He's saying that Maddon is entitled to a few mistakes because:

 

1. He makes a lot of great decisions

2. The Cubs won the World Series

[davell]

The only thing I even saw being out of character was him saying Javy K's 80% of the time, with the bases loaded, when it was 40%. Seemed a bit out of character for him to just throw numbers out there haphazardly, to make his point. Maybe I missed him doing that previously, but that's the only time I've noticed it.

 

The positive approach of "Hey, we won, that's what matters" seems EXACTLY how Joe would handle things. And I'm absolutely fine with it. If anything, I think we've been spoiled by how good he's been, in comparison to the village idiots we've ran out there most of our lives. Does he need a mulligan? Jay Cutler "Don't CAAAAAAARE" meme.......Love Maddon.

[Tim]

The only thing I even saw being out of character was him saying Javy K's 80% of the time, with the bases loaded, when it was 40%. Seemed a bit out of character for him to just throw numbers out there haphazardly, to make his point. Maybe I missed him doing that previously, but that's the only time I've noticed it.

 

The positive approach of "Hey, we won, that's what matters" seems EXACTLY how Joe would handle things. And I'm absolutely fine with it. If anything, I think we've been spoiled by how good he's been, in comparison to the village idiots we've ran out there most of our lives. Does he need a mulligan? Jay Cutler "Don't CAAAAAAARE" meme.......Love Maddon.

I interpreted the Javy quote as that he swings at balls outside the zone 80% of the time he's in a full count or whatever it was.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

We won the World Series.

 

This offers nothing to the current conversation. It's just that I love saying it and thinking it.

[Bull]

a normal honest answer is to not admit you horsefeathers up in the world series win

 

what

 

are you saying mistakes aren't mistakes as long as the outcome is good or what are you saying

It is the cowards approach to life.

Bull

[Sammy Sofa]

BULL VS. NOBULL

 

FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT

[Aaron_Kennelly]

If think that Maddon not admitting that Chapman was gassed is a little weird. He clearly was. And the slider/fastball pitch calling reasoning is bull horsefeathers. Chapman always throws fastballs, because they are travelling 103 mph. He rarely uses the slider. I've thought maybe he should mix in some more sliders occasionally. But he doesn't, and he's still really good. The notion that he pitched differently because he had different guys catching him is stupid. It was quite obvious what was going on in Game 7.

 

That being said, I still think Joe is a really good manager. And I'm not going to dwell on a couple of questionable decisions he's made, when I've liked his moves more than not on the whole. Also, we won the World Series, so I literally don't care at all about those decisions. It simply doesn't matter now. We won the World Series. All that is in the past. And the past includes us winning the World Series. In the heat of the moment, I questioned him using Chapman in Game 6. But it didn't end up mattering. Maybe it was because Joe got lucky. But who cares? We won. I'd rather think about the good things from our only World Series championship in a century.

 

I'm also completely over Chapman. I don't care to even think about him anymore. He's a garbage human. And he acted like the garbage human he is when we traded for him. He just isn't likable. And I won't look back fondly on him being a Cub. We rented him and used him like the piece of meat he is, and we won the World Series. C'est la vie.

[soccer10k]

I'm also completely over Chapman. I don't care to even think about him anymore. He's a garbage human. And he acted like the garbage human he is when we traded for him. He just isn't likable. And I won't look back fondly on him being a Cub. We rented him and used him like the piece of meat he is, and we won the World Series. C'est la vie.

 

His complete non reaction after the Miggy slam against LA will always stick with me. It looked like he either didn't understand what was going on or he was actually playing for the Dodgers. I know he probably was still stewing on giving up those two runs (nevermind that he came in bases loaded no outs so I don't blame him for that), but just show a little excitement. Instead he just sat there stone faced.

[17 Seconds]

I'm also completely over Chapman. I don't care to even think about him anymore. He's a garbage human. And he acted like the garbage human he is when we traded for him. He just isn't likable. And I won't look back fondly on him being a Cub. We rented him and used him like the piece of meat he is, and we won the World Series. C'est la vie.

 

His complete non reaction after the Miggy slam against LA will always stick with me. It looked like he either didn't understand what was going on or he was actually playing for the Dodgers. I know he probably was still stewing on giving up those two runs (nevermind that he came in bases loaded no outs so I don't blame him for that), but just show a little excitement. Instead he just sat there stone faced.

 

he was probably afraid of what uptight baseball people would say if he acted happy after giving up the lead.

 

everything about chapman as a player/teammate was fine while he was here. he's a bad person for other reasons.

[soccer10k]

I'm also completely over Chapman. I don't care to even think about him anymore. He's a garbage human. And he acted like the garbage human he is when we traded for him. He just isn't likable. And I won't look back fondly on him being a Cub. We rented him and used him like the piece of meat he is, and we won the World Series. C'est la vie.

 

His complete non reaction after the Miggy slam against LA will always stick with me. It looked like he either didn't understand what was going on or he was actually playing for the Dodgers. I know he probably was still stewing on giving up those two runs (nevermind that he came in bases loaded no outs so I don't blame him for that), but just show a little excitement. Instead he just sat there stone faced.

 

he was probably afraid of what uptight baseball people would say if he acted happy after giving up the lead.

 

everything about chapman as a player/teammate was fine while he was here. he's a bad person for other reasons.

 

I agree, it would have been horrible for him to look like a good teammate.

 

I'm not saying he wasn't a good teammate during his time here. All I was saying was that reaction stuck with me.

[javy knows my name]

 

His complete non reaction after the Miggy slam against LA will always stick with me. It looked like he either didn't understand what was going on or he was actually playing for the Dodgers. I know he probably was still stewing on giving up those two runs (nevermind that he came in bases loaded no outs so I don't blame him for that), but just show a little excitement. Instead he just sat there stone faced.

 

he was probably afraid of what uptight baseball people would say if he acted happy after giving up the lead.

 

everything about chapman as a player/teammate was fine while he was here. he's a bad person for other reasons.

 

I agree, it would have been horrible for him to look like a good teammate.

 

I'm not saying he wasn't a good teammate during his time here. All I was saying was that reaction stuck with me.

 

Please don't Cutler him

[Ding Dong Johnson]

wasn't there a story about that time that said Aroldis was in tears during that, or am I misremembering?

[Sammy Sofa]

He's kinda got Neifi-butt.

[David]

wasn't there a story about that time that said Aroldis was in tears during that, or am I misremembering?

 

I thought that was in game 7

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I thought it was both

[UMFan83]

wasn't there a story about that time that said Aroldis was in tears during that, or am I misremembering?

 

I thought that was in game 7

 

it might be both but it was in Game 7 for sure, which actually made me feel sympathetic for the guy a little bit, because it was actually during the rain delay, meaning he held it together to finish the 8th and then pitch the 9th before breaking down.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I could have sworn I read an article about how he could barely watch because he was so disappointed with himself then was overwhelmed when Miggy hit the DONG. or something along those lines

[JennieGarthAlgar]

I could have sworn I read an article about how he could barely watch because he was so disappointed with himself then was overwhelmed when Miggy hit the DONG. or something along those lines

 

Miggy did not hit a homerun in Game 7, brah