Cubs trading Soler to KC for Wade Davis

[Gilby]

Meh, if the medicals are good, I'm fine with this. He's in the Chapman and Jansen tier if you're confident in the elbow.

 

I'll be interested to see how we go about finding a controllable starter now. I'd be inclined to think there's mutual interest in signing Tyson Ross to a multi year deal, but Rogers said he's gonna take his time deciding on a team. So I'm a little surprised we'd trade Soler before getting a starter, but I guess Theo knows he doesn't have to save him for that. Maybe something is in the works there too.

[imb]

which portion of soler's 1.5 career WAR will you miss the most

[Tryptamine]

horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

[17 Seconds]

horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

me too, it will probably be for someone awesome and we'll probably win a bunch of stuff

[davell]

horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

Yeah, getting a World Series win absolutely sucked utter and complete ass.

[MagicNumber11]

If we bring Davis in for all of 2017 then let him walk we get a draft pick. Can someone more knowledgeable about the new CBA state what round it would be in? This has to be considered as part of the return. It's at least a hedge against the injury risk.

[Thusly Boned]

Many people are down on Soler, but it's a stiff price to pay for one year of a potentially broken closer, imo.

[Cubswin11]

I'm gonna hold out hope part of the reason for moving Soler in this deal is because they feel there's a window to bring Dexter back.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll be interested to see how we go about finding a controllable starter now.

 

This is really the most important thing. I don't particularly like Davis for Soler, but a lot of that is the number of potential SP moves I would like going way down. If they can do that without taking on too much risk or depleting the system, then it's fine.

[ScrubMD]

which portion of soler's 1.5 career WAR will you miss the most

 

Probably this one

 

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He has the 2nd prettiest dongs, after Schwarber.

[davell]

.289/.351/.476- that was Victor Martinez 2016 line, with 27 HR and 86 RBI.....

 

That's worth .9 fWAR as a DH(with 5 games at 1B)

 

Seriously, Soler doesn't have much value. I'm honestly hoping that if this goes thru, we're JUST losing him. Even with Davis' forearm crap.

[UMFan83]

which portion of soler's 1.5 career WAR will you miss the most

 

Makes me a little sad remembering that game against the Cardinals at the end of 2014 where Len said Cardinals fans should get ready for this for a long time as he blasted his second HR of the game.

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

And if we get 2 WS wins who cares?

[Thusly Boned]

horsefeathers. In Theo I trust, but don't like giving up Soler one bit for Davis.

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

Yeah, getting a World Series win absolutely sucked utter and complete ass.

 

Chapman's character issues aside, I was and am fine with the move that was made. I would not be a fan of trading for one year of a closer as an annual strategy, though. I'd just as soon offer a bit more for assets with more control.

 

That said, my primary concern here is Davis' health.

[Cubswin11]

which portion of soler's 1.5 career WAR will you miss the most

Probably when he was our best offensive player in the 2015 playoffs

[imb]

If Soler continues at his current pace, he'll approach Wade Davis' career WAR at some point in 2031.

[davell]

I'll be interested to see how we go about finding a controllable starter now.

 

This is really the most important thing. I don't particularly like Davis for Soler, but a lot of that is the number of potential SP moves I would like going way down. If they can do that without taking on too much risk or depleting the system, then it's fine.

 

With them talking about guys with options that they can start off in AAA, I feel like Szczur can net a guy like that. Candelario can get that type of guy and the guy he nets may be a former top 100 type or even current one.

 

If they go deeper than that, it'd be Happ. Who'd net something very interesting too. Caratini may net us a guy that's a 7th starter type.

 

My guess is Candelario and Caratini ARE moved over the offseason, but that's it.

[Tryptamine]

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

Yeah, getting a World Series win absolutely sucked utter and complete ass.

 

Chapman's character issues aside, I was and am fine with the move that was made. I would not be a fan of trading for one year of a closer as an annual strategy, though. I'd just as soon offer a bit more for assets with more control.

 

That said, my primary concern here is Davis' health.

 

Pretty much this. I can get over Gleyber because they were going after the first world series. Now 6 months later we're doing the same thing and give up yet another young talented piece. What are we going to do in 2018 when we need a closer again?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

I'm honestly hoping that if this goes thru, we're JUST losing him. Even with Davis' forearm crap.

 

This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

[davell]

 

For a year and a half worth of closers the Cubs have given up Gleyber and Soler. If only they'd have packaged them together at one point you'd think they could have landed a closer with a little bit of team control. I look forward to giving up Eloy for a season of whoever in 2018.

 

Yeah, getting a World Series win absolutely sucked utter and complete ass.

 

Chapman's character issues aside, I was and am fine with the move that was made. I would not be a fan of trading for one year of a closer as an annual strategy, though. I'd just as soon offer a bit more for assets with more control.

 

That said, my primary concern here is Davis' health.

 

Mine too. My honest guess is we would look at this as a bridge move to allow for Carl to move into the role.

[davell]

I'm honestly hoping that if this goes thru, we're JUST losing him. Even with Davis' forearm crap.

 

This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

If we bring Davis in for all of 2017 then let him walk we get a draft pick. Can someone more knowledgeable about the new CBA state what round it would be in? This has to be considered as part of the return. It's at least a hedge against the injury risk.

 

Well, it's not really going to hedge against an injury risk. Because if Davis somehow blows out his arm, we aren't going to be offering him a QO of 18 million and thus won't get any pick.

 

That said, if this is just Jorge for Wade Davis, it would be pretty awesome. It's worth taking the risk, especially again considering Jorge is made of glass himself.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

 

Yeah, getting a World Series win absolutely sucked utter and complete ass.

 

Chapman's character issues aside, I was and am fine with the move that was made. I would not be a fan of trading for one year of a closer as an annual strategy, though. I'd just as soon offer a bit more for assets with more control.

 

That said, my primary concern here is Davis' health.

 

Pretty much this. I can get over Gleyber because they were going after the first world series. Now 6 months later we're doing the same thing and give up yet another young talented piece. What are we going to do in 2018 when we need a closer again?

 

Try to win a third consecutive World Series?

[Thusly Boned]

I'm honestly hoping that if this goes thru, we're JUST losing him. Even with Davis' forearm crap.

 

This is just crazy. Giving up more than Soler for one year of a reliever with arm problems that restricted him to 40 innings last year would be horrendous.

 

If Davis is considered truly healthy, he'll command more than Soler. Soler just doesn't have much value. If Davis is sold off as a risk, Soler is enough.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Soler has more value than many think. Yes, he has only produced 1.5 fWAR, but he has only accrued just over a season's worth of PA. He has a ton of potential,and he has performed well in the postseason. He has been inconsistent in the regular season, but has had poor luck with regard to the timing of his injuries. No, the injuries are not a selling point, but I think the case could be made that Jorge has been the victim of some bad luck. Plus he's still hugely talented.

 

I don't think that Jorge has a future with the Cubs, but I think he would be better used as an add-on piece in a larger deal.

 

My gut feeling here is that Jorge is just as likely to break out a bit next year as Davis is to make through the season without his elbow exploding.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Davis' postseason stats from 2014 and 2015 are amazing to look at. He also effectively pitched more than one inning three times each during both postseason runs.

 

I would imagine his ability (and maybe comfort) to pitch more than one inning, and Maddon's familiarity with him while with the Rays, are huge selling points for the Cubs.