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It’s a lot of Heyman circle talk and hedging but some good stuff to hear from a national guy who at least, hopefully, is hearing half truths.

 

A guy who has historically been well connected with Boras to boot.

 

My current guess is that they have lined up the salary dump(s) they need to sign Bryce, but they're painful. Could be using Happ to dump Heyward, or using top prospects to dump Chatwood, but whatever it is it's something otherwise not worth doing without Bryce. If they can reel him in, we will see 3-4 moves in a row like when Lester signed. If they whiff on Bryce, we see the more modest Plan B offseason.

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Brett at Bleacher Nation gave some thoughts on all that Heyward to SF rumor nonsense and suggested something like Heyward for Cueto and Melancon, freeing up some money for Harper in the long run/giving us another SP option in 2020 after Cueto rehabs. Not great, but that's one possible way to be free of Heyward's contract.
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Brett at Bleacher Nation gave some thoughts on all that Heyward to SF rumor nonsense and suggested something like Heyward for Cueto and Melancon, freeing up some money for Harper in the long run/giving us another SP option in 2020 after Cueto rehabs. Not great, but that's one possible way to be free of Heyward's contract.

I read that and the Cueto idea is a little interesting, basically acquire the Hamels/Chatwood replacement this year for next year while he rehabs (in theory, maybe he’s just toast). Cueto and Melancon ups the LT hit the next two years pretty significantly though. It would be interesting if reducing the LT hit or minimizing the total dollars owed to guys are what we want to do the most.

 

The total savings on a Heyward for Cueto/Melancon swap really isn’t all that significant though. The overall savings is $12 million, Heyward is owed ~$106 mil yet and those two owed ~$94 mil but it’s likely mostly negated when factoring in penalties for the increased upper LT tax the next two years and time value of the money paid out sooner on Cueto and Melancon vs over the longer life of Heyward’s deal as both guys deals are done sooner than Heyward’s.

 

In the end this trade really doesn’t put us in that much better of a spot. Heyward and prospects for just one of those guys could be something that helps quite a bit though.

 

I also do really like the Chatwood for Russell Martin swap they mentioned in the article as well (Martin is owed more this year, Chatwood just a little more overall but Martin has a higher LT hit). If we could pull off something like Chatwood, Kintzler (Kintzler to offset money/LT this year and maybe we throw money back next year), and prospects for Martin and then Heyward + prospects and/or money for Cueto that could really help reduce some long term money, the LT doesn't end up in all that better shape for this year though.

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It’s a lot of Heyman circle talk and hedging but some good stuff to hear from a national guy who at least, hopefully, is hearing half truths.

 

A guy who has historically been well connected with Boras to boot.

 

My current guess is that they have lined up the salary dump(s) they need to sign Bryce, but they're painful. Could be using Happ to dump Heyward, or using top prospects to dump Chatwood, but whatever it is it's something otherwise not worth doing without Bryce. If they can reel him in, we will see 3-4 moves in a row like when Lester signed. If they whiff on Bryce, we see the more modest Plan B offseason.

 

 

But if this is the case (bolded part), couldn't it also be that Boras is playing him too to create a more robust market for Harper?

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It’s a lot of Heyman circle talk and hedging but some good stuff to hear from a national guy who at least, hopefully, is hearing half truths.

 

A guy who has historically been well connected with Boras to boot.

 

My current guess is that they have lined up the salary dump(s) they need to sign Bryce, but they're painful. Could be using Happ to dump Heyward, or using top prospects to dump Chatwood, but whatever it is it's something otherwise not worth doing without Bryce. If they can reel him in, we will see 3-4 moves in a row like when Lester signed. If they whiff on Bryce, we see the more modest Plan B offseason.

 

 

But if this is the case (bolded part), couldn't it also be that Boras is playing him too to create a more robust market for Harper?

 

100%. There's a pretty good chance that Bryce doesn't want to go to the Sox, the Phillies and Yankees are focused more on Machado, and all this recent Cubs optimism is just meant to turn the screws on the Dodgers.

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It’s a lot of Heyman circle talk and hedging but some good stuff to hear from a national guy who at least, hopefully, is hearing half truths.

 

A guy who has historically been well connected with Boras to boot.

 

My current guess is that they have lined up the salary dump(s) they need to sign Bryce, but they're painful. Could be using Happ to dump Heyward, or using top prospects to dump Chatwood, but whatever it is it's something otherwise not worth doing without Bryce. If they can reel him in, we will see 3-4 moves in a row like when Lester signed. If they whiff on Bryce, we see the more modest Plan B offseason.

 

 

But if this is the case (bolded part), couldn't it also be that Boras is playing him too to create a more robust market for Harper?

Seems strange to use the team that everybody thinks is broke.

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A guy who has historically been well connected with Boras to boot.

 

My current guess is that they have lined up the salary dump(s) they need to sign Bryce, but they're painful. Could be using Happ to dump Heyward, or using top prospects to dump Chatwood, but whatever it is it's something otherwise not worth doing without Bryce. If they can reel him in, we will see 3-4 moves in a row like when Lester signed. If they whiff on Bryce, we see the more modest Plan B offseason.

 

 

But if this is the case (bolded part), couldn't it also be that Boras is playing him too to create a more robust market for Harper?

Seems strange to use the team that everybody thinks is broke.

 

That's just Theo being next level :D

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Bryce and Kris look like awesomely fun party bros who you would want to go hang out with but then you'd find out that their champagne glasses are filled with La Croix and then they'd invite you to their bible study group
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Bryce and Kris look like awesomely fun party bros who you would want to go hang out with but then you'd find out that their champagne glasses are filled with La Croix and then they'd invite you to their bible study group

This is PRECISELY how Mormons operate. Ever been to a Mormon Dance?

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Bryce and Kris look like awesomely fun party bros who you would want to go hang out with but then you'd find out that their champagne glasses are filled with La Croix and then they'd invite you to their bible study group

This is PRECISELY how Mormons operate. Ever been to a Mormon Dance?

 

No, but I do like movies about gladiators.

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Bryce and Kris look like awesomely fun party bros who you would want to go hang out with but then you'd find out that their champagne glasses are filled with La Croix and then they'd invite you to their bible study group

This is PRECISELY how Mormons operate. Ever been to a Mormon Dance?

 

No, but I do like movies about gladiators.

Holy god, this is great.

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Look, Bryce and Bryant are besties, legitimately. It's not trolling for them to be goofy rich guys too young to have all that money showing themselves having a great time. Is he supposed to pretend he and Bryant aren't buddies for fear people will take it the wrong way?

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