The Cardinals

[mul21]

Relying on Reyes for anything is an exercise in futility. That dude will likely not make it through a season healthy until he’s over 30. He’s the new Brandon Morrow.

[Clem Fandango]

Counting on young pitchers to not have their arms fall off is not a recipe for long term success. Cubs fans who remember the dusty baker days may be a little too sensitive to this, but it’s still true.

Meh. Hudson doesn't overpower and Flaherty has nothing in his delivery or injury history that says he will drop off the map. He's only getting better. Hicks is getting his Tommy John out of the way now so he will be good. Reyes already got his out of the way, so anything from him is a bonus.

 

Perfect mechanics, you say?

 

Famous last words. Pitchers will break your heart, Charlie

[raisincharlie]

Famous last words. Pitchers will break your heart, Charlie

Our top 4 prospects are all position players so I'm sure I'll be fine.

[d_money]

So he’s been a member since 8/27. We’ll see how long this lasts.

[NonProfitCow]

Famous last words. Pitchers will break your heart, Charlie

Our top 4 prospects are all position players so I'm sure I'll be fine.

You do realize our #4 prospect according to you, Montero, just put up a .552 OPS and K'd in 29.8% of his PA over a full season of AA ball, right?

 

The farm lacks high end upside outside of maybe 3 players.

[UMFan83]

So he’s been a member since 8/27. We’ll see how long this lasts.

 

Every single one of his posts is about how great the Cardinals are and he’s made no attempt to discuss anything else so umm...time here will be limited.

 

There are several quality posters here that have the unfortunate distinction of being Cardinals fans but they attempt to add to the discussion on a Cubs forum.

[raisincharlie]

Famous last words. Pitchers will break your heart, Charlie

Our top 4 prospects are all position players so I'm sure I'll be fine.

You do realize our #4 prospect according to you, Montero, just put up a .552 OPS and K'd in 29.8% of his PA over a full season of AA ball, right?

 

The farm lacks high end upside outside of maybe 3 players.

You realize he was injured all year, right?

[NonProfitCow]

Our top 4 prospects are all position players so I'm sure I'll be fine.

You do realize our #4 prospect according to you, Montero, just put up a .552 OPS and K'd in 29.8% of his PA over a full season of AA ball, right?

 

The farm lacks high end upside outside of maybe 3 players.

You realize he was injured all year, right?

I live a half hour from Springfield and catch a pretty good amount of games. He was playing poorly before the injury ( a .681 OPS in Springfield is not good) and even worse after.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Our top 4 prospects are all position players so I'm sure I'll be fine.

You do realize our #4 prospect according to you, Montero, just put up a .552 OPS and K'd in 29.8% of his PA over a full season of AA ball, right?

 

The farm lacks high end upside outside of maybe 3 players.

You realize he was injured all year, right?

 

Losing a year of development to injury time is not a point in a player's favor.

[raisincharlie]

You do realize our #4 prospect according to you, Montero, just put up a .552 OPS and K'd in 29.8% of his PA over a full season of AA ball, right?

 

The farm lacks high end upside outside of maybe 3 players.

You realize he was injured all year, right?

 

Losing a year of development to injury time is not a point in a player's favor.

Yeah, duh

 

But acting like those numbers mean jack in a handful of games is silly. He will be up here by 23. Pretty standard age to come to MLB. Not concerned.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

You realize he was injured all year, right?

 

Losing a year of development to injury time is not a point in a player's favor.

Yeah, duh

 

But acting like those numbers mean jack in a handful of games is silly. He will be up here by 23. Pretty standard age to come to MLB. Not concerned.

We already know you aren't concerned about concerning things.

Edited September 17, 2019 by JudasIscariotTheBird

[We Got The Whole 9]

Theres only room for one raisin round these parts.

[Cubswin11]

[Cubswin11]

[Bertz]

 

 

It doesn't really let up either. They lose Molina and Brett Cecil next year, but they also have a half dozen guys enter arb, including Flaherty who will not be cheap.

[ConstableRabbit]

Mark Saxon is an awful writer. What the hell was that intro?

[Cubswin11]

 

 

It doesn't really let up either. They lose Molina and Brett Cecil next year, but they also have a half dozen guys enter arb, including Flaherty who will not be cheap.

Wong, Mikolas and Goldschmidt also combine to make $22 or so million more in 2020 vs 2019. That plus whatever they do to fill the rotation and re-sign/replace Ozuna probably takes up all their money.

[Regular Show]

Of course that politician in the tweet above is a Cardinals fan and a Trump supporter...

[Cubswin11]

What an incredibly average team

 

[Bertz]

What an incredibly average team

 

 

Without digging too deep, that looks right in line with what Steamer has (a little more bullish on the MIF and a little bearish on the COF). I think ZiPS liked Milwaukee a little more, and Cincinnati a little less. So I think unless there's some serious love for our guys, the top four teams in the NL Central are all going to project between like 80 and 88 wins.

[squally1313]

Yeah I unfortunately don't see too many places where the Cubs would blow that out of the water. The outfield in total lines up pretty closely, just give Schwarber the 2.4, Heyward the 1.3, and Happ (with Almora dragging him down) the 0.9. 13.8 from the infield should be mostly covered by Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but hard to get too far above that with second base being some Bote/Hoerner combo. Steamer has Contreras at 1.3, so catcher lines up pretty close. No one on our team will approach Flaherty, and we only have four starters right now, even though all of them are better than their second best pitcher. I'll still take the Cubs as the favorite, but it's pretty close to a toss up where the rosters are now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah I unfortunately don't see too many places where the Cubs would blow that out of the water. The outfield in total lines up pretty closely, just give Schwarber the 2.4, Heyward the 1.3, and Happ (with Almora dragging him down) the 0.9. 13.8 from the infield should be mostly covered by Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but hard to get too far above that with second base being some Bote/Hoerner combo. Steamer has Contreras at 1.3, so catcher lines up pretty close. No one on our team will approach Flaherty, and we only have four starters right now, even though all of them are better than their second best pitcher. I'll still take the Cubs as the favorite, but it's pretty close to a toss up where the rosters are now.

 

We'll have to wait and see what the actual numbers look like, but if I were to ballpark it I'd guess the current Cubs come out about 4 wins ahead on the position players, 1-2 ahead on SP, and probably 2 down on RP.

[Banedon]

https://twitter.com/MattSebek/status/1224172293217230850

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah I unfortunately don't see too many places where the Cubs would blow that out of the water. The outfield in total lines up pretty closely, just give Schwarber the 2.4, Heyward the 1.3, and Happ (with Almora dragging him down) the 0.9. 13.8 from the infield should be mostly covered by Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but hard to get too far above that with second base being some Bote/Hoerner combo. Steamer has Contreras at 1.3, so catcher lines up pretty close. No one on our team will approach Flaherty, and we only have four starters right now, even though all of them are better than their second best pitcher. I'll still take the Cubs as the favorite, but it's pretty close to a toss up where the rosters are now.

 

We'll have to wait and see what the actual numbers look like, but if I were to ballpark it I'd guess the current Cubs come out about 4 wins ahead on the position players, 1-2 ahead on SP, and probably 2 down on RP.

 

I didn't get the specifics, but on aggregate it's about right, the Cubs projections are just under 5 wins better.

 

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[squally1313]

Yeah I unfortunately don't see too many places where the Cubs would blow that out of the water. The outfield in total lines up pretty closely, just give Schwarber the 2.4, Heyward the 1.3, and Happ (with Almora dragging him down) the 0.9. 13.8 from the infield should be mostly covered by Baez/Bryant/Rizzo, but hard to get too far above that with second base being some Bote/Hoerner combo. Steamer has Contreras at 1.3, so catcher lines up pretty close. No one on our team will approach Flaherty, and we only have four starters right now, even though all of them are better than their second best pitcher. I'll still take the Cubs as the favorite, but it's pretty close to a toss up where the rosters are now.

 

We'll have to wait and see what the actual numbers look like, but if I were to ballpark it I'd guess the current Cubs come out about 4 wins ahead on the position players, 1-2 ahead on SP, and probably 2 down on RP.

 

I didn't get the specifics, but on aggregate it's about right, the Cubs projections are just under 5 wins better.

 

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Yeah good call.

 

Outfield: Cubs 5.7, Cards 4.6

Infield: Cubs 17.6, Cards 15.9

Starters: Cubs 13.1, Cards 11.6

Relievers: Cubs 3.3, Cards 3.8