General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

[David]

Angel Guzman...we'll have two Mark Priors!

 

And baby (or two years older than a baby) Pedro in Juan Cruz

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ironically, one of the only good prospects Fromm to that long drought of badness was Jon Garland, who we traded away for Matt horsefeathering Karchner

 

I’m on my phone so I can’t get into the whole spiel, but that era of the Cubs farm system was above average at producing prospects who would turn into major leaguers. As you mentioned, Ed Lynch squandered a good chunk of them.

 

Jim Hendry was a mediocre GM who got left behind when the game smartened up and looks like dog poop next to Epstein. Lynch was actually legit awful.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Angel Guzman...we'll have two Mark Priors!

 

And baby (or two years older than a baby) Pedro in Juan Cruz

 

I was a huge sucker for Juan Cruz.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Angel Guzman...we'll have two Mark Priors!

 

And baby (or two years older than a baby) Pedro in Juan Cruz

 

I was a huge sucker for Juan Cruz.

 

He was going to be our Pedro Martinez

[David]

Angel Guzman...we'll have two Mark Priors!

 

And baby (or two years older than a baby) Pedro in Juan Cruz

 

I was a huge sucker for Juan Cruz.

 

He was going to be our Pedro Martinez

 

is there an echo in this post

[Bobson Dugnutt]

 

I was a huge sucker for Juan Cruz.

 

He was going to be our Pedro Martinez

 

is there an echo in this post

 

i don't know but i definitely thought juan cruz's career would echo pedro martinez's.

[David]

still don't know why the hell we traded him for pratt

[ConstableRabbit]

still don't know why the hell we traded him for pratt

I thought looking up scouting reports, stats, and prospect rankings would make this more clear but now I'm even more puzzled. WTF were they doing?

[SouthSideRyan]

That one year Richard Lewis had in the minors was fun at least. I remembered it as Cruz being out of options and them wanting a lefty in the pen? I guess ultimately it didn't hurt that much, but man, Cruz still seemed so young at the time.

[We Got The Whole 9]

That one year Richard Lewis had in the minors was fun at least. I remembered it as Cruz being out of options and them wanting a lefty in the pen? I guess ultimately it didn't hurt that much, but man, Cruz still seemed so young at the time.

Cruz was one of the oldest looking 20 year olds I've ever seen

[Bull]

still don't know why the hell we traded him for pratt

 

Pratt pitched one of his four games as a Cub while my wife was in labor with our first child. Don't remember much about the delivery, but pratt could not throw a strike to save his life. Came on in relief of Mitre and threw 8 straight balls.

 

edit: upon further review, gamecast says two walks on 9 pitches. They are wrong. It was the night my firstborn came into the world, I think I would remember better than gamecast.

[Bull]

still don't know why the hell we traded him for pratt

I thought looking up scouting reports, stats, and prospect rankings would make this more clear but now I'm even more puzzled. WTF were they doing?

He was a pitcher from Atlanta. He had to be good.

[David]

That one year Richard Lewis had in the minors was fun at least. I remembered it as Cruz being out of options and them wanting a lefty in the pen? I guess ultimately it didn't hurt that much, but man, Cruz still seemed so young at the time.

Bc he aged two years overnight

[Hairyducked Idiot]

still don't know why the hell we traded him for pratt

I thought looking up scouting reports, stats, and prospect rankings would make this more clear but now I'm even more puzzled. WTF were they doing?

He was a pitcher from Atlanta. He had to be good.

 

Which reminds me, I really thought Micah Bowie would be useful.

[David]

I thought looking up scouting reports, stats, and prospect rankings would make this more clear but now I'm even more puzzled. WTF were they doing?

He was a pitcher from Atlanta. He had to be good.

 

Which reminds me, I really thought Micah Bowie would be useful.

Didn't Ruben quevedo come from them

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He was a pitcher from Atlanta. He had to be good.

 

Which reminds me, I really thought Micah Bowie would be useful.

Didn't Ruben quevedo come from them

 

Same deal, in which we shipped out Terry Mulholland and Jose Hernandez. I was thinking Sergio Mitre came in that deal too but apparently he was homegrown. Before looking it up, I had no idea we got a third player, a PTBNL, named "Joey Nation" who apparently briefly appeared in the majors. He doesn't sound real.

[Cubswin11]

Coors Jr. is getting a humidor apparently. Wasn’t aware they were doing that.

 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He was a pitcher from Atlanta. He had to be good.

 

Which reminds me, I really thought Micah Bowie would be useful.

Didn't Ruben quevedo come from them

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[Bobson Dugnutt]

why do old school baseball types always cite WHIP when they want try to throw a bone to analytics?

[Regular Show]

why do old school baseball types always cite WHIP when they want try to throw a bone to analytics?

 

It's a really easy stat to understand. WAR and FIP and some other metrics are harder to decipher and understand especially for old school types not named Peter Gammons.

[David]

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travis pretending he was hard core enough to koyie hill himself to pitch a couple weeks sooner

[Clem Fandango]

why do old school baseball types always cite WHIP when they want try to throw a bone to analytics?

 

It's a really easy stat to understand. WAR and FIP and some other metrics are harder to decipher and understand especially for old school types not named Peter Gammons.

 

WHIP = WAR + FIP. Obviously.

[We Got The Whole 9]

I watched that special on mlbn about the 90s Braves.

 

They talked about the deal they had for Bonds before the 92 season. The players going to Pittsburgh were Alejandro Pena, Keith Mitchell, PBTNL.

 

Imagine if they were able to complete that deal and then extend him and sign Maddux the following off-season. Some articles suggest that it was an either/or scenario and they only had money for one of them but it's easy to see that they could have traded Gant (he was no longer capable at CF and one of the corner OF had to go, Justice was in pre-arb ) for a nice package to open up 3m and Pena made 2.5 himself, so there's Maddux's money (signed for 5/25) right there. Locking them both in would have been feasible. I feel pretty confident that if they had they would have won more than one title.

 

It cannot be stated enough that Larry Himes was erroneously spared the firing squad. However it's interesting that Maddux turned down 10m more from the Yankees. If he had signed there then maybe the Braves don't even win once in the decade and the Yankees are the undisputed team of the 90s. Also, would Maddux have turned down 5/35 from the Cubs? It's quite possible he would have because the roster was abysmal beyond Ryno, Grace, and a couple SP in Morgan and Castillo. Looking at the numbers they probably saw Castillo as a guy about to ascend to Maddux's status. He had just completed his age 23 season and gave them 35 starts with a 3.45 ERA so I can see that as something that they foresaw being somewhat plausible.

[Cubswin11]

The Angels are going with a 6-man rotation this year, seems smart. Literally all their guys have battled significant injuries the last 1-3 years and all carry major risks and likely innings limit, will be interesting to see how it works and if it helps performance/health and if it’s the start of a new trend.

[David]

I watched that special on mlbn about the 90s Braves.

 

They talked about the deal they had for Bonds before the 92 season. The players going to Pittsburgh were Alejandro Pena, Keith Mitchell, PBTNL.

 

Imagine if they were able to complete that deal and then extend him and sign Maddux the following off-season. Some articles suggest that it was an either/or scenario and they only had money for one of them but it's easy to see that they could have traded Gant (he was no longer capable at CF and one of the corner OF had to go, Justice was in pre-arb ) for a nice package to open up 3m and Pena made 2.5 himself, so there's Maddux's money (signed for 5/25) right there. Locking them both in would have been feasible. I feel pretty confident that if they had they would have won more than one title.

 

It cannot be stated enough that Larry Himes was erroneously spared the firing squad. However it's interesting that Maddux turned down 10m more from the Yankees. If he had signed there then maybe the Braves don't even win once in the decade and the Yankees are the undisputed team of the 90s. Also, would Maddux have turned down 5/35 from the Cubs? It's quite possible he would have because the roster was abysmal beyond Ryno, Grace, and a couple SP in Morgan and Castillo. Looking at the numbers they probably saw Castillo as a guy about to ascend to Maddux's status. He had just completed his age 23 season and gave them 35 starts with a 3.45 ERA so I can see that as something that they foresaw being somewhat plausible.

 

Wasn't the story that Maddux had his agent (was it Boras back then?) call up Himes and offered him a chance to match Atlanta's contract before he signed, and we passed, saying we'd already allocated our money to Jose Guzman and someone else?