Blackhawks 15-16 season

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i hate the horsefeathering blues, i hate their scumbag captain, and i hate their [expletive] tactics. every season regular season, their strategy against the blackhawks is to be tough guys and start an injury war. it never works, and they keep doing it. horsefeathers you.

[UMFan83]

i hate the [expletive] blues, i hate their scumbag captain, and i hate their [expletive] tactics. every season regular season, their strategy against the blackhawks is to be tough guys and start an injury war. it never works, and they keep doing it. [expletive] you.

 

Dude it's almost time for the Blues to be irrelevant. Let them have their fun while they still can

[biittner77]

Pretty funny seeing Ryan Reeves kicked out of a game for trying and failing to make a dirty hit to the head. Go back to your dumpster, Reeves.

[UMFan83]

Pretty funny seeing Ryan Reeves kicked out of a game for trying and failing to make a dirty hit to the head. Go back to your dumpster, Reeves.

 

Yeah and annoying to see the NBCSN guys arguing that he shouldn't have even been penalized.

[bcl412]

Pretty funny seeing Ryan Reeves kicked out of a game for trying and failing to make a dirty hit to the head. Go back to your dumpster, Reeves.

 

Yeah and annoying to see the NBCSN guys arguing that he shouldn't have even been penalized.

Eddie tries so hard to be unbiased on national tv that he becomes biased towards the hawks it seems.

[UMFan83]

Pretty funny seeing Ryan Reeves kicked out of a game for trying and failing to make a dirty hit to the head. Go back to your dumpster, Reeves.

 

Yeah and annoying to see the NBCSN guys arguing that he shouldn't have even been penalized.

Eddie tries so hard to be unbiased on national tv that he becomes biased towards the hawks it seems.

 

Which is funny because I still see opposing fans calling him out for being a Hawks homer. It's likely all perception though because they know he's the Hawks regular color guy.

[biittner77]

Pretty funny seeing Ryan Reeves kicked out of a game for trying and failing to make a dirty hit to the head. Go back to your dumpster, Reeves.

 

Yeah and annoying to see the NBCSN guys arguing that he shouldn't have even been penalized.

 

Based on the bizzaro logic that the NHL uses, he shouldn't have been kicked out of the game since Erhoff wasn't hurt. I believe the penalty he got was for charging. The 5 minutes was warranted and if you have any concern for player safety youhave to make that call. I'm no expert, but I can't remember ever seeing someone get a 5 minute charging penalty without also being ejected.

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Just scored a free suite ticket to the game tonight. We better horsefeathering win.

[jersey cubs fan]

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[biittner77]

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Svedberg is big and slow and not particularly good at anything.

 

March is like a light switch for the Hawks that gets turned off.

[UMFan83]

I tell myself the Hawks are coasting and don't give in like I did the last 2 years when they struggled. But I keep reading the Committed Indian after games and they keep harping on how terrible the Hawks are at 5 on 5 this entire year and they are being held afloat by crazy good PP% and goalie play.

 

Who knows, I'll be annoyed if we run out 4 strong lines in the playoffs but lose in the first or second round because we didn't get someone for the blue line.

[biittner77]

I tell myself the Hawks are coasting and don't give in like I did the last 2 years when they struggled. But I keep reading the Committed Indian after games and they keep harping on how terrible the Hawks are at 5 on 5 this entire year and they are being held afloat by crazy good PP% and goalie play.

 

Who knows, I'll be annoyed if we run out 4 strong lines in the playoffs but lose in the first or second round because we didn't get someone for the blue line.

 

There really weren't any defensemen that were available that could be had for what the Hawks would be able/ willing to pay. I feel like Bowman went and got the best available players even if they didn't exactly fit their biggest single need.

 

I expect the Hawks to be better 5 on 5 moving forward. Part of the problem their was they had a revolving door of not quite ready young guys mixed in with castoffs. The blue line is a real concern not only now but moving forward.

[UMFan83]

I tell myself the Hawks are coasting and don't give in like I did the last 2 years when they struggled. But I keep reading the Committed Indian after games and they keep harping on how terrible the Hawks are at 5 on 5 this entire year and they are being held afloat by crazy good PP% and goalie play.

 

Who knows, I'll be annoyed if we run out 4 strong lines in the playoffs but lose in the first or second round because we didn't get someone for the blue line.

 

There really weren't any defensemen that were available that could be had for what the Hawks would be able/ willing to pay. I feel like Bowman went and got the best available players even if they didn't exactly fit their biggest single need.

 

I expect the Hawks to be better 5 on 5 moving forward. Part of the problem their was they had a revolving door of not quite ready young guys mixed in with castoffs. The blue line is a real concern not only now but moving forward.

 

Obviously the big name was Hamhuis. Not sure if Vancouver just didn't want to pull the trigger, because he should have been dealt somewhere, but their dumb FO didn't do it, but if they were willing to trade him, the Hawks certainly had enough pieces to pull the trigger. I would have been fine with either the Ladd or the MTL trade, and instead of the other one got some sort of piece on the blue line. I seriously have no idea how we got it done last year, other than Keith playing a billion minutes and some luck, but I know last year was probably the exception historically in terms of winning a cup with very little defensive depth.

 

This year Seabrook has regressed quite a bit defensively, TVR has been a disappointment, Rozival is as bad as we expected, and none of the other rotating group of prospects and old guys has been able to establish themselves except to an extent Gustafsson.

 

Obviously Bowman knows much more about hockey and building winning hockey teams more than I ever will, so maybe the issues are overstated or they believe someone will step up...but if we fail to win a cup because of the blue line, I will have to wonder why the Hawks made multiple 'mortgaging the future to win now" type of trades for rentals and not put a priority on defense.

[Brian707]

.but if we fail to win a cup because of the blue line, I will have to wonder why the Hawks made multiple 'mortgaging the future to win now" type of trades for rentals and not put a priority on defense.

 

 

I would hope that Stan mortgages the future to win now each and every year Toews and Kane are in their prime. If they don't win the Cup this year, it will suck but I hardly think it will hinder them from winning future Cups before 2023. There wasn't really a trade to be made for the blue line, first line wing was probably a little more important than a 3rd pairing d man that would play maybe 10 minutes in the postseason.

 

As for this slump as was said earlier March is when the Hawks typically have their biggest slump each and every year, with the exception of 2013. They always seem to get out of it right as the calendar switches to April 1st. I still think the only obstacle to the Hawks winning the Cup this year is the LA Kings. They will have to go thru Dallas and St Louis before that, but I am not really worried with or without home ice.

[biittner77]

Mortgaging the future is a little bit of an overstatement considering what they gave up:

 

Dano might very well become a good player but it's pretty telling that they tried virtually every other prospect at Rockford instead of recalling him.

 

Danault is someone they will miss though they likely had already promised to re sign Kruger so he became a redundant part. Plus they have another poor man's Kruger in Rasmussen. With Toews, Anisimov, Tuevo and Kruger the Hawks are very good down the middle on all four lines for the next 3 years provided they aren't forced to trade Anisimov for cap reasons.

 

The 1st round pick at or near the end of the first round is not a guarantee of anything, really. Pretty hard to get a real difference maker with that pick. The Hawks already have quite a few role playing pieces available. The Hawks can offset the loss of this pick by being a place that college FAs want to go and the Hawks have had decent success with finding value in unconventional places such as TVR (despite his struggles he has somehow earned Q's trust) and obviously Panarin.

[UMFan83]

http://deadspin.com/an-nhl-expansion-draft-could-be-pretty-fun-1765254501

 

Thought this was interesting. If there is an expansion draft for 1 new team after next year, the rules for protecting players would be either:

 

a) 1 goalie, 7 forwards, 3 defensemen

b) 1 goalie, any 8 skaters

 

This is a little hard to do because we only know about 16 skaters and 2 goalies that will be on the roster at the end of next year but if the Hawks had to protect their guys who would they protect.

 

My guess:

 

Goalie - Crawford (assuming he can justify his $6m cap hit next season)

Forwards - Kane, Toews, Anisimov, Teravainen, Panarin (if resigned), Kruger

D - Keith, Hjalmarsson

 

This leaves one forward and one blue liner available to protect

 

Choices for forwards - Hossa, Desjardins, Kyle Baun? (do you have to protect players in Rockford?)

Choices for defensemen - Seabrook, Gustafsson, TVR?

 

I think the obvious choice is to expose Hossa, but I highly doubt an expansion team is going to pick up his deal at his age. But still it doesn't make sense to protect him. And on the blue line, Seabrook has a cap hit of nearly $7m. Perhaps he's coasting to the playoffs but he's been really poor defensively (look at his terrible possession numbers!). If he doesn't step it up it might make sense to protect a young defenseman and hope someone takes Seabs contract.

 

Agree? Disagree?

[Banedon]

http://deadspin.com/an-nhl-expansion-draft-could-be-pretty-fun-1765254501

 

Thought this was interesting. If there is an expansion draft for 1 new team after next year, the rules for protecting players would be either:

 

a) 1 goalie, 7 forwards, 3 defensemen

b) 1 goalie, any 8 skaters

 

This is a little hard to do because we only know about 16 skaters and 2 goalies that will be on the roster at the end of next year but if the Hawks had to protect their guys who would they protect.

 

My guess:

 

Goalie - Crawford (assuming he can justify his $6m cap hit next season)

Forwards - Kane, Toews, Anisimov, Teravainen, Panarin (if resigned), Kruger

D - Keith, Hjalmarsson

 

This leaves one forward and one blue liner available to protect

 

Choices for forwards - Hossa, Desjardins, Kyle Baun? (do you have to protect players in Rockford?)

Choices for defensemen - Seabrook, Gustafsson, TVR?

 

I think the obvious choice is to expose Hossa, but I highly doubt an expansion team is going to pick up his deal at his age. But still it doesn't make sense to protect him. And on the blue line, Seabrook has a cap hit of nearly $7m. Perhaps he's coasting to the playoffs but he's been really poor defensively (look at his terrible possession numbers!). If he doesn't step it up it might make sense to protect a young defenseman and hope someone takes Seabs contract.

 

Agree? Disagree?

 

The article also said that first or second year pro's would protrected. So wouldn't Panarin be protected automatically? Or do they count KHL time?

[apete6]

http://deadspin.com/an-nhl-expansion-draft-could-be-pretty-fun-1765254501

 

Thought this was interesting. If there is an expansion draft for 1 new team after next year, the rules for protecting players would be either:

 

a) 1 goalie, 7 forwards, 3 defensemen

b) 1 goalie, any 8 skaters

 

This is a little hard to do because we only know about 16 skaters and 2 goalies that will be on the roster at the end of next year but if the Hawks had to protect their guys who would they protect.

 

My guess:

 

Goalie - Crawford (assuming he can justify his $6m cap hit next season)

Forwards - Kane, Toews, Anisimov, Teravainen, Panarin (if resigned), Kruger

D - Keith, Hjalmarsson

 

This leaves one forward and one blue liner available to protect

 

Choices for forwards - Hossa, Desjardins, Kyle Baun? (do you have to protect players in Rockford?)

Choices for defensemen - Seabrook, Gustafsson, TVR?

 

I think the obvious choice is to expose Hossa, but I highly doubt an expansion team is going to pick up his deal at his age. But still it doesn't make sense to protect him. And on the blue line, Seabrook has a cap hit of nearly $7m. Perhaps he's coasting to the playoffs but he's been really poor defensively (look at his terrible possession numbers!). If he doesn't step it up it might make sense to protect a young defenseman and hope someone takes Seabs contract.

 

Agree? Disagree?

 

The article says anyone with less than 2 years of professional experience is exempt, but that includes minors, so it seems that Baun is exempt. Not sure how they treat the foreign leagues, so Panarin COULD be exempt also.

 

I say you protect Gustafson and, if Panarin can't be drafted, TVR (only over Desjardins because he has 1 extra contract year) and dare them to take Hossa and Seabrook. The only reason the Hawks would protect Seabrook is for locker room/loyalty reasons if he is not selected as it could be an issue if he comes back. I think Hossa would understand because of his contract (and he doesn't have the A on his sweater & hasn't spent his whole career with the Hawks anyway).

[jersey cubs fan]

The article also said that first or second year pro's would protrected. So wouldn't Panarin be protected automatically? Or do they count KHL time?

Additionally, first- and second-year pros will be exempt. (This means professionals of any kind, so the clock started ticking when they got their first minor league paycheck.)

[Banedon]

Also, I saw on twitter where anyone with No Movement clauses may not be exposed, though that's not 100% decided. If that's the case, Kane, Toews, Keith, Crawford and Hammer would all be safe.

[Banedon]

The article also said that first or second year pro's would protrected. So wouldn't Panarin be protected automatically? Or do they count KHL time?

Additionally, first- and second-year pros will be exempt. (This means professionals of any kind, so the clock started ticking when they got their first minor league paycheck.)

 

Sure, in the US...but are they counting foreign leagues there? I don't think that's clear.

[jersey cubs fan]

The article also said that first or second year pro's would protrected. So wouldn't Panarin be protected automatically? Or do they count KHL time?

Additionally, first- and second-year pros will be exempt. ([glow=red]This means professionals of any kind,[/glow] so the clock started ticking when they got their first minor league paycheck.)

 

Sure, in the US...but are they counting foreign leagues there? I don't think that's clear.

[Banedon]

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I think the definition of "professional" is still fuzzy, despite your insistence.

[jersey cubs fan]

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I think the definition of "professional" is still fuzzy, despite your insistence.

some stupid people equate being called up to the big leagues = going pro but the term professional is pretty damn clear

[squally1313]

As someone mentioned above, this exercise gets a lot easier if they 100% determine that players with no movement clauses can't be picked. I don't know how common those are across the league, but that article made it seem like they were trying to get more talent to the expansion teams. If they can't pick no movement guys and other teams are similar to the Hawks, I can't imagine them getting many good players.

 

From Capfriendly.com, Toews, Kane, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, Hammer, and Crawford all have NMC or NTCs.

 

Going by one goalie, 8 skaters, you'd end up with:

 

Darling or whoever their best goalie prospect is

Anisimov

Kruger

Teuvo

Panarin (assuming KHL counts as professional experience)

TVR

Gustafsson

Hartmann???

McNeill???