Blackhawks 15-16 season

[biittner77]

probably 3-5 games, maybe more since he already did this once before.

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

[UMFan83]

probably 3-5 games, maybe more since he already did this once before.

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

 

He should get more but unless the NHL deems this to be particularly brutal, I think the playoffs coming up plays a role in the length of the suspension.

 

Either way, idiotic move by Keith. Honestly, other than the result of the victim, is this much different then Marty McSorley's slash that I believe got him arrested?

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Keith went full [expletive] there.

[jersey cubs fan]

probably 3-5 games, maybe more since he already did this once before.

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

 

He should get more but unless the NHL deems this to be particularly brutal, I think the playoffs coming up plays a role in the length of the suspension.

 

Either way, idiotic move by Keith. Honestly, other than the result of the victim, is this much different then Marty McSorley's slash that I believe got him arrested?

 

Yes, it was much different. Much much different. Come on.

[UMFan83]

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

 

He should get more but unless the NHL deems this to be particularly brutal, I think the playoffs coming up plays a role in the length of the suspension.

 

Either way, idiotic move by Keith. Honestly, other than the result of the victim, is this much different then Marty McSorley's slash that I believe got him arrested?

 

Yes, it was much different. Much much different. Come on.

 

They both lookeed like Intentional slashes to the head with intent to injure. In McSorley's case, the guy collapsed and hit his head on the ground which is where the main injury occured. Keith's hit did not strike Coyle's head as squarely, thus less severe injury.

 

I guess you could say the difference is that McSorley chased his guy down to slash him in the head whereas Keith slashed Coyle while attempting to get back up after a trip. Both were intentional though.

[jersey cubs fan]

McSorley went at the guy from behind, steady on both feet with a two handed chop.

 

 

Keith swung his stick one handed from his ass like a child that got knocked down and was flailing while getting up.

 

 

It is not the similar. It's incredibly different.

[Brian707]

Apparently Crawford has vertigo.

 

That doesn't sound good.

 

 

They made it sound on the Score this morning that he might not even be back by the time the playoffs start

 

Yeah Q has been saying things like "he could be back by the start of the playoffs". Nothing definite. Could we win a cup with Darling and a deep defensive group? Yes. With 1.5 solid pairings? No way.

 

 

The Hawks will not win a Cup with Darling as the main goaltender. The back end of their D, is slightly better this year than last, although that isnt saying much. The main difference this year and last has more to do with the lack of 5-5 production and puck possession.

 

I don't know what to think, last year at the start of the playoffs I thought they were ripe for a first round exit, and they went and won the Cup. This year I feel they are ripe for a first round exit, but them winning the Cup as long as Crawford is back would not surprise me either.

[squally1313]

 

 

They made it sound on the Score this morning that he might not even be back by the time the playoffs start

 

Yeah Q has been saying things like "he could be back by the start of the playoffs". Nothing definite. Could we win a cup with Darling and a deep defensive group? Yes. With 1.5 solid pairings? No way.

 

 

The Hawks will not win a Cup with Darling as the main goaltender. The back end of their D, is slightly better this year than last, although that isnt saying much. The main difference this year and last has more to do with the lack of 5-5 production and puck possession.

 

I don't know what to think, last year at the start of the playoffs I thought they were ripe for a first round exit, and they went and won the Cup. This year I feel they are ripe for a first round exit, but them winning the Cup as long as Crawford is back would not surprise me either.

 

The bottom pairing is maybe slightly better this year than last year, but the middle pairing is significantly worse. Unless Seabrook has been seriously pacing himself all year for the playoffs, he's taken a significant step back, and forced Hammer up on the top pairing. Last year you had Hammer and Oduya to shut down the other teams top lines and let Keith have all the offensive freedom he wanted. Now Keith is having to shut down the top lines and we are getting no push from anywhere else.

 

Last years bottom pairing was pretty terrible, but they also played about 7 minutes a game because all of the top four were playing 25+ minutes. Keither and Hammer can play those minutes this year (assuming Keith's suspension doesn't run into the playoffs), but no one else has shown they can handle that responsibility.

 

Let's hope whatever is wrong with Crawford he's using the time to rest up, because we're going to need his best (and then maybe some more).

[biittner77]

probably 3-5 games, maybe more since he already did this once before.

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

 

He should get more but unless the NHL deems this to be particularly brutal, I think the playoffs coming up plays a role in the length of the suspension.

 

Either way, idiotic move by Keith. Honestly, other than the result of the victim, is this much different then Marty McSorley's slash that I believe got him arrested?

 

This is a league that gave 10 games (They gave him 20 but reduced it to 10) to a guy that took out a ref with an elbow to the head. The NHL wants the Hawks to make it out of the first round. They can't do that without Keith so he gets the rest of the regular season.

[squally1313]

 

He got 5 for elbowing a Sedin. Coyle returned to the game so that might reduce his sentence but My first thought was 5 games.

 

He should get more but unless the NHL deems this to be particularly brutal, I think the playoffs coming up plays a role in the length of the suspension.

 

Either way, idiotic move by Keith. Honestly, other than the result of the victim, is this much different then Marty McSorley's slash that I believe got him arrested?

 

This is a league that gave 10 games (They gave him 20 but reduced it to 10) to a guy that took out a ref with an elbow to the head. The NHL wants the Hawks to make it out of the first round. They can't do that without Keith so he gets the rest of the regular season.

 

He's got priors (honestly, in hindsight it's pretty egregious that he only got 1 game for the Carter slash, but I guess that speaks to your point), and it was pretty intentional. What sealed it for me was after the play when he was making a falling motion, almost to imply that his stick flew up as he was falling to the ice, which clearly wasn't what happened. Either that, or he was intimating that Coyle was trying to sell the call, which is pretty ridiculous given that his nose is clearly broken.

 

I'm guessing 7 games, and I'm already dreading the standing ovation he'll get in game 3 when he comes back. Probably the most important player on the ice over these years, but a couple too many really dirty plays to really defend him much here.

[jersey cubs fan]

others pointed out that "priors" count going back 18 months, and Keith is in the clear on that front.

[squally1313]

others pointed out that "priors" count going back 18 months, and Keith is in the clear on that front.

 

From the NHL Website FAQ about the process (https://www.nhl.com/news/department-of-player-safety-faqs/c-738846):

 

What is a "Repeat Offender"?

 

A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

 

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

[UMFan83]

Between all the winning, Kane's situation, the revenge rape prospect and Keith's occasionally very dirty play, the Hawks are becoming quite hated in hockey fan circles. At least everyone still loves Toews.

[squally1313]

Between all the winning, Kane's situation, the revenge rape prospect and Keith's occasionally very dirty play, the Hawks are becoming quite hated in hockey fan circles. At least everyone still loves Toews.

 

Revenge porn* prospect, just in case anyone reads that without knowing the background, but yeah, been a rough year all things considered.

 

Wasn't the classiest move by the Hawks to drop the press release reinstating that prospect at around 10:30 last night, essentially on a technicality (was in Michigan where the crime occured, and it's only a felony in Illinois). No suspension or anything that I've seen as of yet.

[UMFan83]

Between all the winning, Kane's situation, the revenge rape prospect and Keith's occasionally very dirty play, the Hawks are becoming quite hated in hockey fan circles. At least everyone still loves Toews.

 

Revenge porn* prospect, just in case anyone reads that without knowing the background, but yeah, been a rough year all things considered.

 

Wasn't the classiest move by the Hawks to drop the press release reinstating that prospect at around 10:30 last night, essentially on a technicality (was in Michigan where the crime occured, and it's only a felony in Illinois). No suspension or anything that I've seen as of yet.

 

wow revenge rape is a pretty bad brain fart. Yes revenge porn.

 

And yes pretty shitty, especially saying that he was cleared of all charges, which while technically true, is like you said a technicality. And he could still be charged with a misdemeanor in MI.

[Brian707]

We should know more about the length of the suspension if its an in person hearing or conference call. In person I think is >5 games.

[jersey cubs fan]

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oh no

[Brian707]

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oh no

 

 

The Committed Indian thinks he will get 7 games.

 

http://thecommittedindian.com/way-run-railroad/

[UMFan83]

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oh no

 

 

The Committed Indian thinks he will get 7 games.

 

http://thecommittedindian.com/way-run-railroad/

 

Reading that site over the last month has been quite depressing.

[squally1313]

 

oh no

 

 

The Committed Indian thinks he will get 7 games.

 

http://thecommittedindian.com/way-run-railroad/

 

Reading that site over the last month has been quite depressing.

 

Yeah it's been a tough read. I've paid for their program online the last few years because I really enjoy their analysis and pop culture references (plus it's a great way to kill an afternoon 41-50 times a year), but it seems like they've focused most of their attention to criticizing the organization over the last few months. Some of their articles as the Kane story were developing probably don't hold up too well in hindsight, and now you know if they're writing an article it's going to be critical, and usually not about the actual hockey being played.

 

Not that they don't have a point to take the views they are, I just think at a certain point it gets to be a bit much, especially considering the owe most of their income to the team while appearing to try to drive people away.

 

I agree on the 7 games though, which it this point might be a fatal blow to any playoff chances they had.

[biittner77]

The truth is that no one knows what the DOPS will do. They don't really follow precedent or protocol. His earlier offenses may or may not be used against him. The fact that he got ejected may or may not affect the length of his suspension. Do they ever cut players a deal regarding the appeal on these decisions? With the playoffs looming, they might feel like it's better to give Keith a suspension that he won't appeal (5 games). If the suspension goes into the playoffs, he'll most certainly appeal. That might get a little messy.

[UMFan83]

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It's a Blues reporter, but obviously the Blues have an interest in knowing how long his suspension will be.

[Brian707]

 

It's a Blues reporter, but obviously the Blues have an interest in knowing how long his suspension will be.

 

 

WOW! If true, no playoff time. It will piss off a lot of the Hawks haters.

[Flames24Rulz]

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It's a Blues reporter, but obviously the Blues have an interest in knowing how long his suspension will be.

 

5 games rest for Keith before the playoffs wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either. Hopefully that guy is right.