Shark Signs w/ Giants - 5/$90M (Happy Derwood?)

[Guest]

Guess I'm in the minority, but I would have done that for Samardzija. They're both getting signed in large part for their durability, and I'd prefer Samardzija's pure stuff over Lackey's "grit", "mentality" and "toughness" every day.

 

oh is that what makes lackey good?

[XZero771679666304]

I'd have been fine with Shark at that price, but I'm just as fine with Lackey. In fact, barring Price/Grienke, a lesser commitment like Lackey was probably preferable. I wouldn't mind seeing a trade for another SP, though.

 

And with each of the SP that goes off of the board, the Cardinals' options dwindle. I think SF will retain Leake, and Iwakuma will return to Seattle. I wouldn't be shocked if STL ends up with Buerhle on a one year deal. Of course, that leaves them with more money to throw at Heyward.

[Cubswin11]

I think I prefer the Lackey deal over Shark's deal, though I wouldn't have been terribly upset at a 5/90 deal for him. Pitching half his games in SF/NL West I think Shark should do pretty well over the life of his contract.

[Guest]

I'd have been fine with Shark at that price, but I'm just as fine with Lackey. In fact, barring Price/Grienke, a lesser commitment like Lackey was probably preferable. I wouldn't mind seeing a trade for another SP, though.

 

And with each of the SP that goes off of the board, the Cardinals' options dwindle. I think SF will retain Leake, and Iwakuma will return to Seattle. I wouldn't be shocked if STL ends up with Buerhle on a one year deal. Of course, that leaves them with more money to throw at Heyward.

cueto is still out there

 

thing is i don't really care who they add to the rotation. still have what, wainwright, wacha, martinez, and lynn? granted those guys have question marks for various reasons but i'd expect that they'll find a way to make that work. i just don't want them keeping heyward (or, worse, signing heyward and davis)

[davell]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

[XZero771679666304]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

[NOLA]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

Clearly, Cueto doesn't understand how to play the game the right way. An over the hill Molina keeping the last remaining ace off the Cardinals is pure gold.

[Guest]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

 

and price hates the red sox and iirc ortiz told him he better have boxing gloves on the next time they met or something like that

 

yeah it might not have been as big but if the cardinals feel they need a pitcher, i don't think some bad blood from before is going to stop it from happening. not to the point that i'd just rule him out as a possibility for them when they were allegedly willing to spend big on price AND heyward. they're probably gonna do stuff with that money.

Edited December 5, 2015 by David

[Guest]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

Jason LaRue?

Suffered a concussion and retired shortly thereafter, as I recall.

[davell]

Was that confirmed? I read somewhere they MAY technically be able to do something like that.....But I read it more in the same vein I read Theo saying we had to get super creative to do two big moves. Was there something else?(I definitely think they're adding one major piece obviously)

[Guest]

whoops i completely forgot about lynn's tommy john. yeah, that's bad (not that he's all that great)

 

makes me even more sure that they wouldn't just dismiss cueto out of hand at this point over some old bad blood

[Guest]

Was that confirmed? I read somewhere they MAY technically be able to do something like that.....But I read it more in the same vein I read Theo saying we had to get super creative to do two big moves. Was there something else?(I definitely think they're adding one major piece obviously)

 

not sure. that's why i said allegedly. i just remember some talk about it and all their new money.

[Tryptamine]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

Jason LaRue?

Suffered a concussion and retired shortly thereafter, as I recall.

 

Yup, it was LaRue and Cueto pretty much ended his career.

[Cubswin11]

We apparently offered the same AAV, but only were offering 3-4 years

[Guest]

cards were supposedly in on samardz too but finished 3rd after SF and LAD

[toonsterwu]

I'm glad we didn't go there. I like Shark, and I think he bounces back, but I'm not too keen, as "fresh" as his arm is, on giving him 5 years at that AAV. I'm not too keen on Lackey overall, but I'd take Lackey at 2 years over that Shark deal.

 

Good for him, though. Should be a good situation for him, and a team that could really use him, as the GIants staff has fallen apart in recent years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Tim Brown says 5/90 on Shark.

 

I think from a team building standpoint, with no consideration for douchiness, I really, really like the Lackey deal better than that.

 

I'd rather have Shark but I'm probably irrationally high and low on each of them

[SouthSideRyan]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

Jason LaRue?

Suffered a concussion and retired shortly thereafter, as I recall.

 

Yup, it was LaRue and Cueto pretty much ended his career.

 

TBF LaRues career was basically over at that point. He was an awful backup catcher

[Guest]

http://gatewayredbirds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=57765&start=20#p1631445

 

they're already getting themselves ready

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I've read a few times that Cueto isn't an option for the Cards due to some things happening between them.

 

Yeah, it was a pretty memorable brawl in which Cueto was kicking people, and iirc, Molina was on the receiving end. That might make for an awkward battery.

Jason LaRue?

Suffered a concussion and retired shortly thereafter, as I recall.

 

Yup, it was LaRue and Cueto pretty much ended his career.

 

TBF LaRues career was basically over at that point. He was an awful backup catcher

 

Those guys still get two-year contracts.

[davell]

I have no idea what teams are still after the upper end guys, but I don't really want to see Cueto wind up in LA or STL. But I'd rather have that than either of them on Heyward, so [expletive] it.

[seanimal]

I have no idea what teams are still after the upper end guys, but I don't really want to see Cueto wind up in LA or STL. But I'd rather have that than either of them on Heyward, so [expletive] it.

 

what are the chances that cueto doesn't wind up in one of those two places at this point? seems like the desperation is probably going to set in if it hasn't already

[davell]

There was a rumor Boston wanted multiple upper tier guys. Outside of them, I guess I could see Baltimore doing it and nothing else meaningful. That'd kind of be par for the course with them, I guess. Maybe the Angels?

 

At any rate, any of them seem like longshots to me.

[toonsterwu]

I'd be awful stunned if Baltimore got into it unless the price really, really dropped. They seem pretty set against paying the years and money that it would cost to land a high level arm. Beyond that, they are really limited financially and have given every signal that they are going to give their younger-ish (I mean, it's not like Tyler Wilson/Mike Wright and others are really young) arms a shot.

 

I mean, there's darkhorses out there that could conceivably emerge if the right situations happen. I don't expect it, but the Nationals and Yankees both could get in the mix if other things fall in place (furthermore, the Yankees can backload any money so that the short term burden won't be that bad).

 

Still, gotta think the Dodgers/Cardinals are the favorites in this if they want to be. I do wonder if they might back away and go after a Leake/Chen/Iwakuma instead though.

[davell]

The Dodgers are making a push for Iwakuma.